The Polls say....

88keys

So John McCain just had about the worst two weeks a campaigning politician can have. It was full of gaffes, flip-flopping and backtracking. Also, his VP selection had some of the worst interviews you could imagine. And after all of that, Obama still can't pull away in the polls. The gallup poll had them dead even coming into the debate, and now Obama's slightly ahead, but his lead is within the margin of error. Obama's lead in most of the swing states polls are scarce as well... this is not good for the Obama campaign at all.

Brain of J.Lo

88keys wrote:

So John McCain just had about the worst two weeks a campaigning politician can have. It was full of gaffes, flip-flopping and backtracking. Also, his VP selection had some of the worst interviews you could imagine. And after all of that, Obama still can't pull away in the polls. The gallup poll had them dead even coming into the debate, and now Obama's slightly ahead, but his lead is within the margin of error. Obama's lead in most of the swing states polls are scarce as well... this is not good for the Obama campaign at all.

Perspective is a funny thing.

DOSW

88keys wrote:

So John McCain just had about the worst two weeks a campaigning politician can have. It was full of gaffes, flip-flopping and backtracking. Also, his VP selection had some of the worst interviews you could imagine. And after all of that, Obama still can't pull away in the polls. The gallup poll had them dead even coming into the debate, and now Obama's slightly ahead, but his lead is within the margin of error. Obama's lead in most of the swing states polls are scarce as well... this is not good for the Obama campaign at all.

Obama has been up pretty handily in most polls, ranging anywhere from four to ten points. He was pulling away.

Gonzo1977

I don't think the Obama camp has anything to be worried about after last night.

Obama stood toe to toe with McCain on McCain's strongest topic. If there was any question to Obama's knowledge of foriegn policy it was erased last night.

McCain needed to dominate that debate last night and he completly failed in that respect. The debate was alot closer than it should have been for someone that suposedly has 26 years of foreign policy experience.

McCain basically did nothing to seperate himself from the current failed policy in Iraq and I think that is going to resinate with the voting public. Nobody wants another 8 years of Bush and Last Night John McCain did not nothing to distance himself from Bush and this foolish mistake will no doubt cost him the election.

Wilds

Poll Date Sample ........................Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 09/21 - 09/26............ -- 47.7 43.7 Obama +4.0
Rasmussen Tracking09/24 - 09/26 3000 LV 50 44 Obama +6
Hotline/FD Tracking 09/24 - 09/26 914 RV 48 43 Obama +5
Gallup Tracking ....09/23 - 09/25 2736 RV 48 45 Obama +3
GW/Battleground Tr09/21 - 09/25 1000 LV 46 48 McCain +2
CBS News/NY Times.... 09/21 - 09/24 LV 48 43 Obama +5
FOX News 09/22 - 09/23............... 900 RV 45 39 Obama +6
Marist 09/22 - 09/23.................. 689 LV. 49 44 Obama +5


This was before the Debate.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

my prediction: this race isnt as close as everyone thinks it is.

josevolution

88keys wrote:

So John McCain just had about the worst two weeks a campaigning politician can have. It was full of gaffes, flip-flopping and backtracking. Also, his VP selection had some of the worst interviews you could imagine. And after all of that, Obama still can't pull away in the polls. The gallup poll had them dead even coming into the debate, and now Obama's slightly ahead, but his lead is within the margin of error. Obama's lead in most of the swing states polls are scarce as well... this is not good for the Obama campaign at all.

yeah wait till after next thrusday when most of america sees who hi's running mate is a clueless bitch i bet they try to get her out of the debate hell they won't even let her have any more interviews at all she's done .....

josevolution

Gonzo1977 wrote:

I don't think the Obama camp has anything to be worried about after last night.

Obama stood toe to toe with McCain on McCain's strongest topic. If there was any question to Obama's knowledge of foriegn policy it was erased last night.

McCain needed to dominate that debate last night and he completly failed in that respect. The debate was alot closer than it should have been for someone that suposedly has 26 years of foreign policy experience.

McCain basically did nothing to seperate himself from the current failed policy in Iraq and I think that is going to resinate with the voting public. Nobody wants another 8 years of Bush and Last Night John McCain did not nothing to distance himself from Bush and this foolish mistake will no doubt cost him the election.

totally agree not once did he address the ?? of why he voted for the war in the 1st place ..

Wilds

MrSmith wrote:

my prediction: this race isnt as close as everyone thinks it is.

In which direction?

Wilds

josevolution wrote:

yeah wait till after next thrusday when most of america sees who hi's running mate is a clueless bitch i bet they try to get her out of the debate hell they won't even let her have any more interviews at all she's done .....

Agreed. She should step down and do her party a favor. Obviously she is too power hungry to do that, but McCain made a high risk gamble and lost.

What is that saying. A vice president should be seen and not heard.

Unfortunately for the GOP you can only hide your Veep for so long.

Brain of J.Lo

Wilds wrote:

Agreed. She should step down and do her party a favor. Obviously she is too power hungry to do that, but McCain made a high risk gamble and lost.

What is that saying. A vice president should be seen and not heard.

Unfortunately for the GOP you can only hide your Veep for so long.

I've heard a lot of people say that the VP choice doesn't make or break a campaign...but I wonder if this year might be a little different. Palin is so out of her league, and more people are realizing this every day. How can people not see this as recklessly bad judgment by John McCain?

88keys

Wilds wrote:

Poll Date Sample ........................Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 09/21 - 09/26............ -- 47.7 43.7 Obama +4.0
Rasmussen Tracking09/24 - 09/26 3000 LV 50 44 Obama +6
Hotline/FD Tracking 09/24 - 09/26 914 RV 48 43 Obama +5
Gallup Tracking ....09/23 - 09/25 2736 RV 48 45 Obama +3
GW/Battleground Tr09/21 - 09/25 1000 LV 46 48 McCain +2
CBS News/NY Times.... 09/21 - 09/24 LV 48 43 Obama +5
FOX News 09/22 - 09/23............... 900 RV 45 39 Obama +6
Marist 09/22 - 09/23.................. 689 LV. 49 44 Obama +5


This was before the Debate.

That was my point... Obama's leads are scarce. His biggest lead in those polls is 6 points and the average margin of error in those polls are usually about + or - 3 or 4. He lead shoud be significantly larger. And as for the VP debate, while Palin may be an airhead, Biden isn't much better... he's made a career out of gaffes and mis-quotes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDBc8DDpuWo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5VPvT7sFo

both of the VP choices are terrible (there are even rumors about that Biden is going to be replaced... I doubt they're true though) so they'll probably cancel eachother out. This election is solely going to be decided by who's on the top of the ticket... the second choice is a formality.

Brain of J.Lo

88keys wrote:

I doubt they're true though) so they'll probably cancel eachother out.

I think this is a HUGE stretch of the imagination. But...whatever makes you feel better.

88keys

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I think this is a HUGE stretch of the imagination. But...whatever makes you feel better.

Tell that to Richard Nixon and George Bush Sr. who easily won their elections with the most inexperienced and moronic VP candidates of all-time (Agnew and Quayle).

DixieN

The polls say that more independents have been swayed by Obama than by McCain. So Obama is picking up more of the available undecided pool. Pundits are calling the debate a draw, essentially. But voters are calling it for Obama.

Also, the polls tell us what people who have land lines think. They exclude, for the most part, what people who only have cell phones think. Cell phone users are overwhelmingly for Obama, so I do think that the polls might be skewed and don't correctly show the more accurate accounting of who leads and by what margin.

Also, I don't like Sara Palin. She is clearly out of her league. I believe that the GOP knows it all too well, and that is why they are sheltering her and limiting access to her they way they are. But, I don't think that name calling, particularly of a sexist nature, has any place. It doesn't make her seem more clueless. She can make her self seem quite clueless very well on her own, thanks. Name calling makes me feel that the shadow of "clueless" doesn't get cast where it belongs, but instead reflects back on the name caller.

slightofjeff

No, Obama isn't blowing McCain out right now ... but he is winning ... and I think he owns the upper hand going forward.

It will be interesting to see if the polls shift coming out the first debate, and how. If McCain doesn't get a significant bounce, I think he's probably cooked. This was his last big chance to get a big bump. The domestic debate ain't gonna do it.

And this is coming from a guy who would rather McCain win. I'm not optimistic.

cornnifer

polls = shit

cubbieblue82

FWIW Gallup polls now showing Obama up 50% to 42% for McCain.

Also 46% said Obama won the debate vs. 34% for McCain.

McCain definitely doesn't seem to have gotten the needed bounce in the polls after such a tough week.

It will be very interesting to see how the VP debates go on Thursday.

pjfan020

Not trying to be the pessimist or anything but these VP picks are VERY important. When you have a guy like Mccain that is 72 and could possibly die in office and Obama....sadly lives in the racist world that we do and is at risk...i really don't like saying it but you know it's a possibility. So, the Vp's are a huge deal IMO.

digster

Looks like Obama got a little debate bounce. Not much, but whatever works.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14042.html

Commy

pjfan020 wrote:

Not trying to be the pessimist or anything but these VP picks are VERY important. When you have a guy like Mccain that is 72 and could possibly die in office and Obama....sadly lives in the racist world that we do and is at risk...i really don't like saying it but you know it's a possibility. So, the Vp's are a huge deal IMO.

big deal, insofar as a president has power. given the complete lack of change in foreign policy in over 60 years, it seems the 'power' of the president is either very limited or the individuals 'elected' into office are very carefully selected.