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good to know al-Qaida is equal oppurtunity murderers

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edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_re_as/pakistan

They don't like women in charge apparently. But they blow up just as good as anyone else.


[edit: ackkk on a side note i know the title is grammatically fucked up. oh well]
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    those deaths are justified. do they have no right to fight for their cause? byzine has convinced me all terrorist activity is acceptable, all in the name of allah of course.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    freedom from what? make-up and exposed female faces? How noble of them.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MrSmith wrote:
    freedom from what? make-up and exposed female faces? How noble of them.

    Freedom to live in the place you grew up in. Imposing personal beliefs on others is seldom noble.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Freedom to live in the place you grew up in. Imposing personal beliefs on others is seldom noble.

    But bombing people in public squares IS okay? Way to go slugger.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    But bombing people in public squares IS okay? Way to go slugger.

    When did I say that was ok?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    When did I say that was ok?

    When you said, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." These people are not freedom fighters. Their ultimate goal is oppression.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    When you said, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." These people are not freedom fighters. Their ultimate goal is oppression.

    big point!
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    When you said, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." These people are not freedom fighters. Their ultimate goal is oppression.

    If they are causing oppression, what is the US causing?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    When you said, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." These people are not freedom fighters. Their ultimate goal is oppression.


    It's a statement that depicts reality. I have no idea what you're going on about.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    810wmb wrote:
    big point!


    cause and effect
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    bull and crap
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    those deaths are justified. do they have no right to fight for their cause? byzine has convinced me all terrorist activity is acceptable, all in the name of allah of course.

    Who's Byzine?

    And s far as all terrorist activity being acceptable...did he say that U.S and Israeli terrorism is also acceptable? Or just the terrorism committed by dark skinned, poor people?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    810wmb wrote:
    bull and crap

    There's two sides to every battle son.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    i have heard that before but i have a questions. does this allow us to then say that we can't stop a person killing his own people becuase this person is a freedom fighter for the people who he believes need freedom. i.e. the leaders friends.

    at what point do we have to say something has to be done
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    There's two sides to every battle son.

    first, i'm not yr son, skippy

    second, yr right there is, you just always seem to be on the side that is against the U.S.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    MrSmith wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_re_as/pakistan

    They don't like women in charge apparently. But they blow up just as good as anyone else.


    [edit: ackkk on a side note i know the title is grammatically fucked up. oh well]

    first off, this is horrible...

    secondly, what should be done..? I know those who support the "war on terror" are using this as a "see, I told you so" sort of thing...ok, then...what should be done about this...? for me, I see this as another failure in the "war on a subjective notion"...oops, I mean "terror"...we've been following this same course for a few years now, yet, nothing has really changed...
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    First off I don't care how oppressed you are or may feel, purposely targeting civilians is un-fucking-acceptable. They may have a legitamate gripe against their government or even another foreign government but that by no means makes it OK to kill scores of innocent people.
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    Have fun before you die.
    There are not thirty virgins waiting for you in heaven.
    When you die, that's it....nothing.
    Let other people have their fun too.

    Religions are bad. Faith is good.
  • TheVoiceInsideTheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    I find this part just so disturbing.

    " Manzur Mughal, the Karachi police officer in charge of the investigation, said the attacker's head was found nearby and taken to a forensic lab to try to identify him."


    Im a very positive person and always try and look for good in evrything but this is the kind of stuff that just rattles my faith in human kind.
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    mammasan wrote:
    First off I don't care how oppressed you are or may feel, purposely targeting civilians is un-fucking-acceptable. They may have a legitamate gripe against their government or even another foreign government but that by no means makes it OK to kill scores of innocent people.


    Collateral Damage is the term when you have an intended target and miss I do believe.

    Let us go over this shall we. They had already threatened what was going to happen and oh, my, it happened. Now I don't know about you or some other people on here. But I don't care who the hell it is and how much I like them. If I live in a rag tag country where there are problems and threats, I don't think I would be lining up to see my hero go by.

    Is blowing up innocent people right? No. Collateral Damage baby!

    Maybe the States should pass the secrets over to Pakistan on how to cordon off half a city to ensure there is no problems. ie: NYC
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Collateral Damage is the term when you have an intended target and miss I do believe.

    Let us go over this shall we. They had already threatened what was going to happen and oh, my, it happened. Now I don't know about you or some other people on here. But I don't care who the hell it is and how much I like them. If I live in a rag tag country where there are problems and threats, I don't think I would be lining up to see my hero go by.

    Is blowing up innocent people right? No. Collateral Damage baby!

    Maybe the States should pass the secrets over to Pakistan on how to cordon off half a city to ensure there is no problems. ie: NYC

    Still doesn't make it right regardless of the forwarning.

    I think the reason these people are blowing themselves up is because we already meddle too much in their affairs. So passing more secrets probably wouldn't be the best thing. Just my 2 cents.
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    Benazir Bhutto believes it was actually former military officals that carried out the attack rather than muslim extreamists
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7052310.stm

    she points to street lights that were turned off

    she is also under scrutiny for actually causing the attack. she was warned that there would be attempts on her, and she should not have led a very slow procession along the streets of a crowded city.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    darkcrow wrote:
    Benazir Bhutto believes it was actually former military officals that carried out the attack rather than muslim extreamists
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7052310.stm

    she points to street lights that were turned off

    she is also under scrutiny for actually causing the attack. she was warned that there would be attempts on her, and she should not have led a very slow procession along the streets of a crowded city.

    I was wondering about this. It could be possible, but probably not likely. She might just be using this to put more pressure on Musharaff
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Too damn convenient!! How can you state you had prior knowledge of planned attacks and do nothing? She could have prevented the needless death of her supporters by following a different proposed arrival plan. To immediately say these suicide bombers were Taliban and alQaida, [I guess the body parts had tribal tatoos] to me, gives a hint of an inside planned event to give her arrival more clout than it deserved.

    She's back in Pakistan because the U.S. is unhappy with Musharraf. She knew this and accepted the consequences of her return; so what did she expect flower pedals lining the streets. I don't care about her or Musharraf they both could drop off the face of the earth. I'm just tried of the Bush Administration's new world order policies and I don't think this is the right time to create turmoil within another country in this region while supplying India with nuclear materials and technology; and while we, here at home are being stretched to the breaking point.

    She was ousted in a coup, that should tell us something.
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    even flow? wrote:
    Collateral Damage is the term when you have an intended target and miss I do believe.

    Let us go over this shall we. They had already threatened what was going to happen and oh, my, it happened. Now I don't know about you or some other people on here. But I don't care who the hell it is and how much I like them. If I live in a rag tag country where there are problems and threats, I don't think I would be lining up to see my hero go by.

    Is blowing up innocent people right? No. Collateral Damage baby!

    Maybe the States should pass the secrets over to Pakistan on how to cordon off half a city to ensure there is no problems. ie: NYC

    first off, when you have a target should you be using a bomb or a gun? secondly, to the person that said that maybe she should have taken another route. a leader (women leader that is) has to show that she is not scared. hiding from the people is not a way to go when you are trying to lead them.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    puremagic wrote:
    Too damn convenient!! How can you state you had prior knowledge of planned attacks and do nothing? She could have prevented the needless death of her supporters by following a different proposed arrival plan. To immediately say these suicide bombers were Taliban and alQaida, [I guess the body parts had tribal tatoos] to me, gives a hint of an inside planned event to give her arrival more clout than it deserved.

    She's back in Pakistan because the U.S. is unhappy with Musharraf. She knew this and accepted the consequences of her return; so what did she expect flower pedals lining the streets. I don't care about her or Musharraf they both could drop off the face of the earth. I'm just tried of the Bush Administration's new world order policies and I don't think this is the right time to create turmoil within another country in this region while supplying India with nuclear materials and technology; and while we, here at home are being stretched to the breaking poi
    She was ousted in a coup, that should tell us something.

    what should that tell us, maybe she was ousted because she is a women. a hear that they have soem rules abotu women.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
    - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

    If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Thecure wrote:
    first off, when you have a target should you be using a bomb or a gun? secondly, to the person that said that maybe she should have taken another route. a leader (women leader that is) has to show that she is not scared. hiding from the people is not a way to go when you are trying to lead them.


    Gun or bomb? I guess that depends on where you live and how big a statement you want to make.

    She was advised to use a helicopter and decided on the truck. Is it just me who pays attention to when leaders or exleaders are in town the security that follows them? You know so if they want to get to the target that it may be troublesome or even impossible. Oh that's right Musharoff who has had attempts on his life and is the leader travels with a pack of security. So why didn't she. Did she think she was returning to Eden or Pakistan. That same Pakistan that is about two months from imploding on itself.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Gun or bomb? I guess that depends on where you live and how big a statement you want to make.

    She was advised to use a helicopter and decided on the truck. Is it just me who pays attention to when leaders or exleaders are in town the security that follows them? You know so if they want to get to the target that it may be troublesome or even impossible. Oh that's right Musharoff who has had attempts on his life and is the leader travels with a pack of security. So why didn't she. Did she think she was returning to Eden or Pakistan. That same Pakistan that is about two months from imploding on itself.

    Let's not forget that it is also the same Pakistan that has nuclear weapons. One assassin's bullet or car bomb away from being a Taliban like state.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Thecure wrote:
    what should that tell us, maybe she was ousted because she is a women. a hear that they have soem rules abotu women.

    Seeing that she served as Pakistan's president on two separate occasions being a female doesn't seem to be the problem. Heard anything else?
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