china and india - what do you think

IndianSummer

i am an indian student living in singapore, which is 75% chinese. if singaporeans are anything to go by the china is going to be awesome. but thats what i feel. i want to know your opinions. please answer the following questions.


which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?
which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?
which country do you personally prefer??
which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??
who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.
which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia

Collin

which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?

China

which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?

I think China could potentially pose a greater danger, but whether it poses a greater danger than India right now, I can't say.

which country do you personally prefer??

Difficult question? Do you mean politics, nature, lifestyle, mindset?

which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??

I like everyone! I'm sure there are plenty of Chinese jerks and plenty of Indian jerks as well. I've had good experiences with both Chinese and Indian, though.

who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.

I don't know, but they both could do a lot better, that's for sure.

which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia

No idea.

IndianSummer

Collin wrote:

which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?

China

which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?

I think China could potentially pose a greater danger, but whether it poses a greater danger than India right now, I can't say.

which country do you personally prefer??

Difficult question? Do you mean politics, nature, lifestyle, mindset?

which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??

I like everyone! I'm sure there are plenty of Chinese jerks and plenty of Indian jerks as well. I've had good experiences with both Chinese and Indian, though.

who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.

I don't know, but they both could do a lot better, that's for sure.

which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia

No idea.

thanks for the reply.

politics, nature, lifestyle, mindset - well i assume everyone in the "free world" would prefer india over china politically. nature??? depends. both countries have incredible sights.

so that leaves mindset and lifestyle. please comment on both. also whats your preference in women - indian or chinese (i'll go for the latter anyday).


a thread that compares these two countries would attract more responses i thought.

Collin

IndianSummer wrote:

thanks for the reply.

politics, nature, lifestyle, mindset - well i assume everyone in the "free world" would prefer india over china politically. nature??? depends. both countries have incredible sights.

so that leaves mindset and lifestyle. please comment on both. also whats your preference in women - indian or chinese (i'll go for the latter anyday).


a thread that compares these two countries would attract more responses i thought.

I'd love to visit China and Indian for their beauty. I might get a chance to visit India, I met an Indian in Canada (he was staying with his son-in-law) and he said I was always welcome, we still correspond occasionally.

Mindset, well both countries have, at least so it seems to me, a very different mindset than the Western mindset. You can only talk in generalization, though, when you talk about mindsets of country especially countries the size of China and India. And I have never been to China or India so I cannot really comment on that. All that I know of a "Chinese" mindset or a "Indian" mindset is based on my experiences with those people, which have been good so far. Although, Indians seem to be more hospitable to me. But this is based an the small number of people I've met from both countries.

Women, I like them all.

Cosmo

IndianSummer wrote:

i am an indian student living in singapore, which is 75% chinese. if singaporeans are anything to go by the china is going to be awesome. but thats what i feel. i want to know your opinions. please answer the following questions.

Which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?
China.

Which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?
China (globally), India (to Pakistan).

Which country do you personally prefer??
I don't have problem with either being the Global Middle Class. I have no preference.

Which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??
Again, no preference. I've met some great people from both countries... as well as some real assholes from both. This also holds true for me with America, Mexico and Canada. I have yet to meet an person from England, Ireland, Austrailia or Argentina that was an asshole.

Who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.
India... based on the well documented human rights violations commited by Communist (yes, China is STILL Communist, kiddies) China.

Which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia?
China. They have Economic power, industrial potential and a military that can field over 1 bilion soldiers.

IndianSummer

Cosmo wrote:

Which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia?
China. They have Economic power, industrial potential and a military that can field over 1 bilion soldiers.

thanks cosmo for your reply. but india too has economic power, industrial potential and a huge standing army.

Cosmo

IndianSummer wrote:

thanks cosmo for your reply. but india too has economic power, industrial potential and a huge standing army.

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But, I can see China as an aggressor... probably for resources. I can see them going after the Russian oil reserves in Siberia, or taking over the Western Stock Markets. China just seems to outweigh India on the greed factor.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

China....and I've never met an Indian person I didn't like. I just seem to get along with these people effortlessly. Chinese, they seem rather oblivious to their surroundings from my observations, and are more quirky.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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But, I can see China as an aggressor... probably for resources. I can see them going after the Russian oil reserves in Siberia, or taking over the Western Stock Markets. China just seems to outweigh India on the greed factor.

I'll second this point. Something about the Chinese mindset makes me think they'd be more prone to militant expansionism in general. India has a bug up its arse about Pakistan, but it basically ends there.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

I'll second this point. Something about the Chinese mindset makes me think they'd be more prone to militant expansionism in general. India has a bug up its arse about Pakistan, but it basically ends there.

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Exactly. I mean, I just cant' picture India wanting to expand their influence (except, as you said, with Pakistan). But, fucking China... I think they still feel they have a score to settle with Japan. And I can definately see them wanting to expand their influence.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

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Exactly. I mean, I just cant' picture India wanting to expand their influence (except, as you said, with Pakistan). But, fucking China... I think they still feel they have a score to settle with Japan. And I can definately see them wanting to expand their influence.

All the bluster about military force with Taiwan, Tibet, and other autonomous regions ... They have a shoddy, shoddy humans rights record, even compared to India's caste system ... Even the cardboard dumplings ... One wonders if having too many people starts to mean that many are disposable.

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?

China

IndianSummer wrote:

which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?

A danger to who? To the U.S? Neither.

IndianSummer wrote:

which country do you personally prefer??

In what respect? I've been to India - just two weeks in Goa - and have spent the past 3 months in China. Both country's have their ups and downs. I'd say India has better beaches and better beer. Though China has more variation as it's obviously far bigger and diverse. There's more poverty in India.

IndianSummer wrote:

which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??

Impossible to generalise. Both the Indians and Chinese are very friendly.

IndianSummer wrote:

who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.

Probably India.

IndianSummer wrote:

which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia

Probably China more then India.

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

a thread that compares these two countries would attract more responses i thought.

So what exactly are you asking for? What exactly do you want to know, and why?

IndianSummer

Byrnzie wrote:

So what exactly are you asking for? What exactly do you want to know, and why?

i just want to know how people view these two countries.

puremagic

which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?

--China is already an economic superpower.

which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?

--India, because India see itself as the emerging proWestern country of the region and feels it has the complete support of the U.S. (which is currently selling it arms and nuclear technology) and NATO backing. India is also pursuing a space missile program. India's ego, in believing it is a superpower and backed by a superpower will allow it to go on a direct offensive against Pakistan.

which country do you personally prefer??

--they both offer spectacular cultural experiences

which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??

--no personal preference, people are people

who do you think is better on human rights - don't forget the caste system in india.

--There is no 'better' side of human rights violations.

which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia

--challenge how? economically, Neither, both India and China are an integral part of globalized market and are interdependent on that market.

--challenge how? militarily, Neither, China has always maintain a strong military force and has the advantage of more manpower, which continues to make it a superpower. India, even though it has nuclear capability, their threat is only seen as regional, unlike China.

--challenge how? Socially, China has the advantage as being readily acceptable worldwide as it has been on the world stage due to its Communist agenda and its favored nation status. India is more readily acceptable to europeans.

Byrnzie

reborncareerist wrote:

I'll second this point. Something about the Chinese mindset makes me think they'd be more prone to militant expansionism in general. India has a bug up its arse about Pakistan, but it basically ends there.

The Chinese mindset?

Fuck me! Could we possibly generalise anymore? This thread is seriously running the risk of being ridiculous.

Byrnzie

Cosmo wrote:

Who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.
India... based on the well documented human rights violations commited by Communist (yes, China is STILL Communist, kiddies) China.

Still, this is pretty fucked up...

Saturday, 21 June 2008

India baby girl deaths 'increase'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7466916.stm
'The number of girls born and surviving in India has hit an all time low compared to boys, ActionAid says.

A report by the UK charity says increasing numbers of female foetuses were being aborted and baby girls deliberately neglected and left to die.

In one site in the Punjab state, there are just 300 girls to every 1,000 boys among higher caste families, it says.

ActionAid says India faces a "bleak" future if it does not end its practice of cultural preference for boys.

ActionAid teamed up with Canada's International Development Research Centre (IDRC) to produce the Disappearing Daughters report.

More than 6,000 households in sites across five states in north-western India were interviewed and statistical comparisons were made with national census date.

Under "normal" circumstances, there should be about 950 girls for every 1,000 boys, the charity said.

But it said that in three of the five sites, that number was below 800.

In four of the five sites surveyed, the proportion of girls to boys had declined since a 2001 census, the report said.

The research also found that ratios of girls to boys were declining fastest in comparatively prosperous urban areas.

ActionAid suggested the increasing use of ultrasound technology may be a factor in the trend.

The document says that Indian woman are put under intense pressure to produce sons, in a culture that predominantly views girls as a burden rather than an asset.

It says many families now use ultrasound scans and abort female foetuses, despite the existence of the 1994 law banning gender selection and selective abortion.

The charity also blames other illegal practices - such as allowing the umbilical cord to become infected - for the growing gender imbalance.

"The real horror of the situation is that, for women, avoiding having daughters is a rational choice. But for wider society it's creating an appalling and desperate state of affairs," Laura Turquet, women's rights policy official at ActionAid said.

"In the long term, cultural attitudes need to change. India must address economic and social barriers including property rights, marriage dowries and gender roles that condemn girls before they are even born.

"If we don't act now the future looks bleak," Ms Turquet said.

Some 10 million female foetuses have been aborted in India in the past 20 years, the British medical journal the Lancet has said.

LONGRD

China probably has a better impact globally but here in the States, I think Indian immigrants are far more advance than the Chinese.

I've been seeing a vast increase of Indian workers here in my town...and I'm not talking about gas stations and 7-11's, I'm talking about the local hospital and the building I work in is full of Indians where they're making $50+ per hour. They are very smart and dedicated people. I commend them for their hardwork.

If us Americans can work as hard and be as smart as the Indians and Chinese, then they would not steal our jobs, but that's not the case with us Americans.

erickvazdel

which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?
- China

which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?
- China

which country do you personally prefer?
- India

which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??
- India

who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.
- India

which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia
-China

BamaPJFan

IndianSummer wrote:

i am an indian student living in singapore, which is 75% chinese. if singaporeans are anything to go by the china is going to be awesome. but thats what i feel. i want to know your opinions. please answer the following questions.


which is these do do you think will become an economic superpower sooner?
which of these two do you think poses greater military danger?
which country do you personally prefer??
which people (indian/chinese) do you prefer??
who do you think is better on human rights - dont forget the caste system in india.
which of these two can/will challenge usa/europe/russia

1. Probably China, however, India is showing that it has the potential to compete at a global level and because of that, India is not far behind in the grand scheme of things.

2. At present, probably China.

3. I personally prefer neither. I have met some fine people from both countries. I work for a University in Alabama that has a large population of students from both China and India and they are amazing individuals. My University has just established a Confucius Institute on our campus (the first in Alabama) in order to promote Chinese culture and to offer language classes in Mandarin. I have also had the pleasure in the past (2003) to work with consul-general Wu from the People's Republic of China and his staff on two separate occasions when they made visits to Alabama; in fact, I shared a speaking platform with him at an international student symposium at Auburn University in October of 2003.

4. Same as #3.

5. Generally speaking, I would say that India has a better track record on human rights.

6. I think that China is probably in a better condition to challenge the U.S. at the present time. I don't know if China will challenge Russia. I think that long term, China will likely align with Russia.

Cosmo

Byrnzie wrote:

Still, this is pretty fucked up...

Saturday, 21 June 2008

India baby girl deaths 'increase'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7466916.stm
'The number of girls born and surviving in India has hit an all time low compared to boys, ActionAid says.

A report by the UK charity says increasing numbers of female foetuses were being aborted and baby girls deliberately neglected and left to die.

In one site in the Punjab state, there are just 300 girls to every 1,000 boys among higher caste families, it says.

ActionAid says India faces a "bleak" future if it does not end its practice of cultural preference for boys.

ActionAid teamed up with Canada's International Development Research Centre (IDRC) to produce the Disappearing Daughters report.

More than 6,000 households in sites across five states in north-western India were interviewed and statistical comparisons were made with national census date.

Under "normal" circumstances, there should be about 950 girls for every 1,000 boys, the charity said.

But it said that in three of the five sites, that number was below 800.

In four of the five sites surveyed, the proportion of girls to boys had declined since a 2001 census, the report said.

The research also found that ratios of girls to boys were declining fastest in comparatively prosperous urban areas.

ActionAid suggested the increasing use of ultrasound technology may be a factor in the trend.

The document says that Indian woman are put under intense pressure to produce sons, in a culture that predominantly views girls as a burden rather than an asset.

It says many families now use ultrasound scans and abort female foetuses, despite the existence of the 1994 law banning gender selection and selective abortion.

The charity also blames other illegal practices - such as allowing the umbilical cord to become infected - for the growing gender imbalance.

"The real horror of the situation is that, for women, avoiding having daughters is a rational choice. But for wider society it's creating an appalling and desperate state of affairs," Laura Turquet, women's rights policy official at ActionAid said.

"In the long term, cultural attitudes need to change. India must address economic and social barriers including property rights, marriage dowries and gender roles that condemn girls before they are even born.

"If we don't act now the future looks bleak," Ms Turquet said.

Some 10 million female foetuses have been aborted in India in the past 20 years, the British medical journal the Lancet has said.

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I agree with you. Never said one was better. I just believe China is a half a notch higher on the "Horrible At Human Rights" scale. Sort of like an F+ is slightly better than an F.