Conservative advocate turns to filmmaking to counter 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
SuzannePjam
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I'm glad someone with such "stellar" credentials is making a counter to the Michael Moore movie. Someone who was fired as an investigator against Hillary Clinton in the Whitewater investigations for editing the tapes to make her seem guilty sure has a lot of credibility. The full article has information about Bossie's immigration movie as well.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14574345/from/RS.3/
Taking the cause to the big screen
Conservative advocate turns to filmmaking to counter 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
WASHINGTON - David N. Bossie earned a reputation as a relentless sleuth -- or right-wing hit man, depending on one's political persuasion -- during his years as a high-profile Republican congressional investigator and conservative activist.
Through the 1990s, Bossie spent much of his time assembling caches of documents to push his admittedly ideological agenda. He was a ready promoter of stories about President Bill Clinton's sexual and ethical lapses, proved and otherwise.
Bossie was fired as an investigator for the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee after overseeing the release of recordings of Hillary Rodham Clinton's phone conversations with Whitewater figure Webster L. Hubbell. The tapes were edited to create the impression that Clinton was involved in billing irregularities at the Arkansas law firm where she and Hubbell worked.
No longer content to merely unearth documents, Bossie, president of Citizens United, a conservative advocacy group, has turned to documentary-style films to push his causes. His latest contribution to the national political debate is "Border War," a film he co-produced that makes the case for a serious crackdown on illegal immigration.
'Celsius 41.11' counters Moore's film
When Michael Moore's 2004 documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" proved to be a hit that rallied partisans on the left against President Bush, Bossie said he was surprised and then got on the phone looking for someone to craft a right-wing response. When he got no answer, he reached into Citizens United's deep pockets, put up about $1 million and hired Hollywood stalwarts Lionel Chetwynd, Kevin Knoblock and Ted Steinberg to help him make "Celsius 41.11."
"The contrasts are startling. 'Fahrenheit' Bush was a deer in the headlights; 'Celsius' Bush is a deer hunter," read a review in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. ". . . 'Fahrenheit' Bush barely could speak in complete sentences; 'Celsius' Bush delivers confident speeches. And so on."
The movie may not have created the buzz that "Fahrenheit 9/11" did, but it did go on to be shown in 125 theatres and to be reproduced on 200,000 DVDs, many of which were given to Citizens United supporters. "One thing I learned is you can have impact with that medium," Bossie said. "I also learned that I can make films. And you don't have to make them in Hollywood."
He had editing equipment installed in the basement of Citizens United's Capitol Hill headquarters and has gone on to make a film excoriating the United Nations, before shooting "Border War."
Weapons in Washington
Films have long been used as propaganda. Frank Capra's "Why We Fight" series was commissioned to explain U.S. policy during World War II and to answer the German 1935 film, "Triumph of the Will," which glorified Adolf Hitler and the Nazi cause.
But the use of films as weapons in the political and ideological battles in Washington is a relatively new development aided by advances in digital technology, which makes editing and distribution cheap and easy. It also is being helped along by Moore's success.
"This is just an obvious outcome of the polarization that is happening in this country," said Malcolm Spaull, chairman of the film school at the Rochester Institute of Technology. "In this case, it is through the media. I only see this growing."
Bossie says he has two more film projects in the pipeline. One, about the American Civil Liberties Union, is scheduled for a fall release. The other is about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who is widely believed to be positioning herself for a 2008 presidential run. Bossie said he is teaming with Dick Morris, the former Clinton media adviser, on that one.
Asked when it will be released, Bossie said, "At the right time."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14574345/from/RS.3/
Taking the cause to the big screen
Conservative advocate turns to filmmaking to counter 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
WASHINGTON - David N. Bossie earned a reputation as a relentless sleuth -- or right-wing hit man, depending on one's political persuasion -- during his years as a high-profile Republican congressional investigator and conservative activist.
Through the 1990s, Bossie spent much of his time assembling caches of documents to push his admittedly ideological agenda. He was a ready promoter of stories about President Bill Clinton's sexual and ethical lapses, proved and otherwise.
Bossie was fired as an investigator for the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee after overseeing the release of recordings of Hillary Rodham Clinton's phone conversations with Whitewater figure Webster L. Hubbell. The tapes were edited to create the impression that Clinton was involved in billing irregularities at the Arkansas law firm where she and Hubbell worked.
No longer content to merely unearth documents, Bossie, president of Citizens United, a conservative advocacy group, has turned to documentary-style films to push his causes. His latest contribution to the national political debate is "Border War," a film he co-produced that makes the case for a serious crackdown on illegal immigration.
'Celsius 41.11' counters Moore's film
When Michael Moore's 2004 documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" proved to be a hit that rallied partisans on the left against President Bush, Bossie said he was surprised and then got on the phone looking for someone to craft a right-wing response. When he got no answer, he reached into Citizens United's deep pockets, put up about $1 million and hired Hollywood stalwarts Lionel Chetwynd, Kevin Knoblock and Ted Steinberg to help him make "Celsius 41.11."
"The contrasts are startling. 'Fahrenheit' Bush was a deer in the headlights; 'Celsius' Bush is a deer hunter," read a review in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. ". . . 'Fahrenheit' Bush barely could speak in complete sentences; 'Celsius' Bush delivers confident speeches. And so on."
The movie may not have created the buzz that "Fahrenheit 9/11" did, but it did go on to be shown in 125 theatres and to be reproduced on 200,000 DVDs, many of which were given to Citizens United supporters. "One thing I learned is you can have impact with that medium," Bossie said. "I also learned that I can make films. And you don't have to make them in Hollywood."
He had editing equipment installed in the basement of Citizens United's Capitol Hill headquarters and has gone on to make a film excoriating the United Nations, before shooting "Border War."
Weapons in Washington
Films have long been used as propaganda. Frank Capra's "Why We Fight" series was commissioned to explain U.S. policy during World War II and to answer the German 1935 film, "Triumph of the Will," which glorified Adolf Hitler and the Nazi cause.
But the use of films as weapons in the political and ideological battles in Washington is a relatively new development aided by advances in digital technology, which makes editing and distribution cheap and easy. It also is being helped along by Moore's success.
"This is just an obvious outcome of the polarization that is happening in this country," said Malcolm Spaull, chairman of the film school at the Rochester Institute of Technology. "In this case, it is through the media. I only see this growing."
Bossie says he has two more film projects in the pipeline. One, about the American Civil Liberties Union, is scheduled for a fall release. The other is about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who is widely believed to be positioning herself for a 2008 presidential run. Bossie said he is teaming with Dick Morris, the former Clinton media adviser, on that one.
Asked when it will be released, Bossie said, "At the right time."
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this had to be expected. if a left wing propagandist can become a millionaire off of making films full of lies, wouldn't you expect somebody that is equally extreme on the other side to try it?0
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Maybe they should try and take on the real docs that expose 911. I know that it would be tough with all the secrets about that day, but exposing Moore isn't too tough with the film he put out.You've changed your place in this world!0
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SuzannePjam wrote:
Bossie was fired as an investigator for the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee after overseeing the release of recordings of Hillary Rodham Clinton's phone conversations with Whitewater figure Webster L. Hubbell. The tapes were edited to create the impression that Clinton was involved in billing irregularities at the Arkansas law firm where she and Hubbell worked.
This means he is a proven and documented liar and anything and everything he has to say should be suspect...
EDIT: ZERO CREDIBILITY0 -
What "credibility" does Michael Moore have? I'll skip this movie for the same reason I skipped Fahrenheit 9/11. If I want to waste my time listening to conclusions in the form of "facts" I'll watch the Oreilly Factor or go to prisonplanet.0
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farfromglorified wrote:What "credibility" does Michael Moore have? I'll skip this movie for the same reason I skipped Fahrenheit 9/11. If I want to waste my time listening to conclusions in the form of "facts" I'll watch the Oreilly Factor or go to prisonplanet.
well michael moore made alot of money, and that was his only goal. if he really wanted to help his supposed cause, he would know to shut-up.0 -
monkey spanker wrote:well michael moore made alot of money, and that was his only goal. if he really wanted to help his supposed cause, he would know to shut-up.
I'm not sure Moore's goal was just "making money". He actually does seem to care about things -- he's just rabid and foolish. He simply seems devoid of principle and that's bad news for anyone who wishes to think critically about how the world does and should work. He's not the first and won't be the last. Sounds like the guy in this article is the next.0 -
"I'm not sure Moore's goal was just "making money". He actually does seem to care about things -- he's just rabid and foolish."
see, i don't get that. i think he's a smart guy, with different goals than he represents. he wants to be a film maker and make alot of money, but he does it by pretending to be a leader of the far left, IMO. i watched his film "roger and me" in college. i thought it was a good film and was happy to see a guy stand up for the american worker..then i read an interview with him and he was bragging about driving a foreign made car..he doesn't really care, he just wants to make money. he has the "green disease" like everybody else. heck, al gore is the same way. he wants us to believe that we are ruining the planet with energy consumption, then he lives in 3 mansions.0 -
I don't know if most of you are aware of that dick morris guy, but I seriously think hes in love with Hillary Clinton. Seriously, thne guy has written 3 or 4 books about how awful he is.0
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Moore gave permission for F 9/11 to be pirated on the internet so long as the people pirating don't make a profit. Doesn't sound like someone completely consumed by money to me.“I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that,” he said.
“I do well enough already and I made this film because I want the world, to change. The more people who see it the better, so I’m happy this is happening.”
Moore’s views have not been well received by Hollywood’s establishment, which is fighting a war against the online pirates it claims cost the industry £1.6 billion a year in lost sales
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I don't know why people attack this guy's credentials. People on the other end of the political spectrum did the same thing to Moore, and then everyone freaked out about free speech, "the truth", etc.
Seriously. Is dialogue not a good thing?0 -
Michael Moore wrote:“I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that,” he said.
How ironic coming from the guy who has advocated a 70 percent tax rate.0 -
reborncareerist wrote:I don't know why people attack this guy's credentials. People on the other end of the political spectrum did the same thing to Moore, and then everyone freaked out about free speech, "the truth", etc.
Seriously. Is dialogue not a good thing?
Dialogue is a good thing. Dialogue is the last thing these people want though.0 -
HONEST dialogue is a good thing. Distortion of facts and lies are only hurtful.reborncareerist wrote:Seriously. Is dialogue not a good thing?0 -
WMA wrote:Moore gave permission for F 9/11 to be pirated on the internet so long as the people pirating don't make a profit. Doesn't sound like someone completely consumed by money to me.
from http://www.sundayherald.com/43167
yeah, he said that while he was making millions off of it. when he was sitting beside jimmy carter at the convention...did you think, "yeah, thats going to help the party"?? heck no, everybody knew that made the dems look nutty
to the american public. moore knows this too, but he don't care because it gave him credibility amongst his target audience..the far left. he is a good film maker, and a smart businessman. he's just real bad at lying.0 -
reborncareerist wrote:I don't know why people attack this guy's credentials. People on the other end of the political spectrum did the same thing to Moore, and then everyone freaked out about free speech, "the truth", etc.
Seriously. Is dialogue not a good thing?
Well, the guy was apparently fired by a congressional office when he was found to have doctored evidence. That's a step up from Michael Moore's brand of propaganda."Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."0 -
I didn't even see F 9/11 myself.
The logic is completely flawed that allowing piracy was going to help him financially though. I bet it completely killed DVD sales (is there a dvd?...dunno), plus giving the ok caused people who normally don't download movies etc. the drive to do it I'm sure.
Sure, it was a huge movie with lots of advertising done by the news, but I'm sure he could've made a ton more by not allowing that to happen, If that was the motivation behind it.0 -
sourdough wrote:HONEST dialogue is a good thing. Distortion of facts and lies are only hurtful.
So you're not much of a Moore fan either, then?0 -
No, not really. He is manipulative and dishonest. I'm not sure what lies he actually tells, but its more tricks of his videography that coerces the audience to imply something that didn't happen. I have watched his films and I do think he does make some valid claims, but I don't think he is always honest in his arguments. I used to really like him, but I am much more skeptical of my sources now.reborncareerist wrote:So you're not much of a Moore fan either, then?0 -
sourdough wrote:No, not really. He is manipulative and dishonest. I'm not sure what lies he actually tells, but its more tricks of his videography that coerces the audience to imply something that didn't happen. I have watched his films and I do think he does make some valid claims, but I don't think he is always honest in his arguments. I used to really like him, but I am much more skeptical of my sources now.
I agree, I don't know if he lies per se. But yes, errors of omission, speculation, hinting, misleading presentations of the facts, attempts to manipulate emotions. He does these things ... And I am guessing this new guy will use them as well.0 -
monkey spanker wrote:this had to be expected. if a left wing propagandist can become a millionaire off of making films full of lies, wouldn't you expect somebody that is equally extreme on the other side to try it?
please site the lies in F911
then prove it with major news sources
See it's not good enough to say Moore lied then not have proof to back it up.
I'm not saying that there's not distortion and "cherry picking" of facts in F911
but I guess moore figured that the president did it to get us into iraq...0
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