Tenn. bill proposes death certificates for fetuses

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edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
Tenn. bill proposes death certificates for fetuses
GOP lawmaker pushes legislation that would ID women who have abortions

Updated: 1 hour ago
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Legislation introduced in Tennessee would require death certificates for aborted fetuses, which likely would create public records identifying women who have abortions.
Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House.
“All these people who say they are pro-life — at least we would see how many lives are being ended out there by abortions,” said Campfield.
The number of abortions reported to the state Office of Vital Records is already publicly available. The office collects records — but not death certificates — on abortions and the deaths of fetuses after 22 weeks gestation or weighing about 1 pound.
The identities of the women who have abortions are not included in those records, but death certificates include identifying information such as Social Security numbers.
‘It is totally inconsistent’
Campfield’s bill, introduced Monday, would give abortion providers 10 days following an “induced termination of a pregnancy” to file a death certificate.
House Judiciary Chairman Rob Briley, a Democrat, called Campfield’s proposal “the most preposterous bill I’ve seen” in an eight-year legislative career.
“It is totally inconsistent with everything the law contemplates as it relates to anything close to that subject,” he said.
The anti-abortion group Tennessee Right to Life has not yet taken a position on the death certificate bill, said spokeswoman Myra Simons. But she said the organization applauds the sponsors’ efforts to “draw attention to the way abortion is handled in Tennessee.”
Keri Adams, vice president of Planned Parenthood in Tennessee, on Wednesday called the proposal an attempt to terrorize frightened and vulnerable women who are seeking abortion.
“We certainly hope the Tennessee Legislature doesn’t invest too much energy in this bill,” she said. “We think it’s clearly a violation of privacy, and potentially illegal concerning HIPAA regulations.” HIPAA is the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, which, among other things, protects the privacy of personal health information.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I don't see the point of keeping track of aborted fetuses. Hey there is that word fetuses again. Does this new legislation apply to aborted zygotes or aborted blastocysts? I really wish the abortion debates could be more specific.
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  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House.



    Wait wait wait......HIS??? name is Stacey? WTF Tenn.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Personally... I don't care. I live in California, not Tennessee. If this is what the people of Tennessee want, who am I to disagree?
    Just remember, Tennessee... we don't want your opinion on what we do out here in California. Let us figure it out.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Personally... I don't care. I live in California, not Tennessee. If this is what the people of Tennessee want, who am I to disagree?
    Just remember, Tennessee... we don't want your opinion on what we do out here in California. Let us figure it out.

    so in the 60's, would you have said the same thing about segregation?
    those undecided, needn't have faith to be free
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    bryanfury wrote:
    so in the 60's, would you have said the same thing about segregation?
    ...
    You're right... probably not.
    ...
    Still... I think this abortion thing should be left for the states to decide.
    Also... Gun Control Legislation and Gay Marriages.
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  • Can you issue a death certificate for something that was never issued a birth certificate??
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Can you issue a death certificate for something that was never issued a birth certificate??

    Logic will get you nowhere. :)
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Can you issue a death certificate for something that was never issued a birth certificate??
    ...
    You just freaked me out... it's like El Pollo Loco trying to make a 3 piece chicken meal with an egg... no... wait... it's nothing like that. I'm just hungry.
    nevermind.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    You're right... probably not.
    ...
    Still... I think this abortion thing should be left for the states to decide.
    Also... Gun Control Legislation and Gay Marriages.

    gay rights to me is a basic human rights issue. if we put segregation on the ballot in the 60's, and left it up to the citizens of the south to decide this, we might still have segrgation. When it comes to denying equal rights, the federal gvt has to step in.

    gun control is for the states fo sho.
    those undecided, needn't have faith to be free
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ridiculous. bloody ridiculous.


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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't see the point of keeping track of aborted fetuses. Hey there is that word fetuses again. Does this new legislation apply to aborted zygotes or aborted blastocysts? I really wish the abortion debates could be more specific.


    one thing i can agree with you on.
    it's pointless.....waste of time/resources, and for what end? nada.
    Stay with me...
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  • Thorns2010 wrote:
    Wait wait wait......HIS??? name is Stacey? WTF Tenn.

    What the hell does his name have to do with anything?
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  • DinghyDogDinghyDog Posts: 587
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  • DinghyDog wrote:
    they should have aborted fetus certificates, not death certificates seeing as someone said they never had been issued a birth certificate. a life is a life is a life.

    there's an abortion clinic in our neighbourhood on the way to work, people always stand there praying outside. makes me sick in the guts driving past it every day and having it so close.




    why?
    it's all circular arguement there really. imo, it's simply creating more unnecessary paperwork, and to what end purpose?


    " a life is a life is life" eh? don't you mean a HUMAN life? b/c we kill off *life* ALL the time, and not just meat eaters......so yea. and if it's human life, well then, MANY of us do not believe a cluster of cells that may become human ARE in fact human when aborted. so it all goes in circles there. so i still stand by, there is NO ppoint to ANY 'certificates' being issued for abortions.
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  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    There is an alterior motive behind this legislation for sure. I highly doubt that the state of TN is having a hard time keeping up with their number of abortions.

    Why is this guy proposing this law? I dunno. Maybe its so church groups can target specific women who have abortions. Maybe its to detur them from having an abortion in the first place since it will not be private anymore. Maybe it is to set a precident that by issuing a "birth" certificate that somehow the courts will see abortion as murder.

    All I know is this is a religion driven agenda, and I'm sick and tired of it... We live in America, which strictly prohibits this kind of shit from happening. And its the year 2007. When are people going to just wake up to the fact that gay people are just fine, abortion is nobody's business but the individual and evolution is a fact, etc.....

    It almost creeps me out how stupid some of these people can be.
  • Rep. Stacey Campfield, a Republican, said his bill would provide a way to track how many abortions are performed. He predicted it would pass in the Republican-controlled Senate but would have a hard time making it through the Democratic House.

    It doesn't bother me that some moron would introduce this bill, what bothers me is that it appears that a majority of Tennessee Senators agree with this crackpot.
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Not only being an incredible violation of privacy of personal health information, it's also a bit stupid, as someone pointed out you can't deliver a death certificate to something unborn.
    Are there any death certificates for natural pregnancy loss after 22 weeks?
  • Can you issue a death certificate for something that was never issued a birth certificate??


    Brilliant...Im sure that is exactly the argument that will be used against it. FYI - it's probably meant as a means to swipe at Roe V. Wade. Pass the bill, someone challenges it, and it works its way up to the Supremes. Supremes get a chance to take a side swipe at Roe v. Wade...Only in the South baby
  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    ...Only in the South baby

    wtf?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Brilliant...Im sure that is exactly the argument that will be used against it. FYI - it's probably meant as a means to swipe at Roe V. Wade. Pass the bill, someone challenges it, and it works its way up to the Supremes. Supremes get a chance to take a side swipe at Roe v. Wade...Only in the South baby

    When the Constitution was written, there was no consideration for the unborn. New laws concering the unborn were written in Roe v. Wade.
    wikipedia wrote:
    The decision established a system of trimesters that attempted to balance the state's legitimate interests against the abortion right. The Court ruled that the state cannot restrict a woman's right to an abortion during the first trimester, the state can regulate the abortion procedure during the second trimester "in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health", and the state can choose to restrict or proscribe abortion as it sees fit during the third trimester when the fetus is viable ("except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother").

    I'd say that's fair. That's middle of the road, it's compromise. It makes sense to me. It gives maximum protection to both lives granted they are viable.
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  • NCfan wrote:
    There is an alterior motive behind this legislation for sure. I highly doubt that the state of TN is having a hard time keeping up with their number of abortions.

    Why is this guy proposing this law? I dunno. Maybe its so church groups can target specific women who have abortions. Maybe its to detur them from having an abortion in the first place since it will not be private anymore. Maybe it is to set a precident that by issuing a "birth" certificate that somehow the courts will see abortion as murder.

    All I know is this is a religion driven agenda, and I'm sick and tired of it... We live in America, which strictly prohibits this kind of shit from happening. And its the year 2007. When are people going to just wake up to the fact that gay people are just fine, abortion is nobody's business but the individual and evolution is a fact, etc.....

    It almost creeps me out how stupid some of these people can be.

    it wont fly...maybe that legislator is running for office. needs bible thumber votes
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