notice the threads title, "criticizing". Its an accurate title, but shows what a farce this thing is. Its not an action, its just symbolic stuff. Nothing is going to come of it.
Bush knows he has to have money to fund the war. Thus why the 185 billion he plans to use in 2007 on this war, will be voted on in a few weeks by Democrats. Do they have the guts to tell him that they will not allow him that money? Thats binding right there.
Judging by the way democrats have acted since 2001, they will continue to give him funds and not pass binding resolutions, and not cut the funds, yet will continue to complain as if they are not at least somewhat responsible for the killing thats going on.
If I was the mother, father, son or daughter of a troop in Iraq, I would be ashamed of what the democrats are doing. On the NBC nightly news they interviewed kids at a school, these kids had parents in Iraq. One kid said "anytime we take a picture at home, with friends or with family, or at holidays, there is always a big space missing, somethings missing". I got a lump in my throat. The Democrats should walk up to those kids and tell them they are too interested in political aspirations to bring their fathers and mothers home from Iraq.
I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough
notice the threads title, "criticizing". Its an accurate title, but shows what a farce this thing is. Its not an action, its just symbolic stuff. Nothing is going to come of it.
Bush knows he has to have money to fund the war. Thus why the 185 billion he plans to use in 2007 on this war, will be voted on in a few weeks by Democrats. Do they have the guts to tell him that they will not allow him that money? Thats binding right there.
Judging by the way democrats have acted since 2001, they will continue to give him funds and not pass binding resolutions, and not cut the funds, yet will continue to complain as if they are not at least somewhat responsible for the killing thats going on.
If I was the mother, father, son or daughter of a troop in Iraq, I would be ashamed of what the democrats are doing. On the NBC nightly news they interviewed kids at a school, these kids had parents in Iraq. One kid said "anytime we take a picture at home, with friends or with family, or at holidays, there is always a big space missing, somethings missing". I got a lump in my throat. The Democrats should walk up to those kids and tell them they are too interested in political aspirations to bring their fathers and mothers home from Iraq.
I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough
dude, you're foaming at the mouth!
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough
You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.
do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.
do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?
And I say to that, that is Iraq. If Iraq needs to settle its differences that way, let them because they're going to anyway.
Funny how nobody interfered with America during that Civil War.
this is the sort of debate and discussion needed before this effort ever took place, sadly, 9/11 was used to push down the throats of those who opposed here and throughout the world...
Iraq is broken, and we are not the ones to fix it, the Iraqi's and those in the region will fix it...and we may not like how it looks, but that's too bad...it's broken beyond our ability to repair it...
Yeah lets let the Iraqis fix it. We can pack up and leave, take all of our soldiers away, let the death squads have a field day, slaughtering whoever they want. Then we can kick out our contractors and let all the hard work of rebuiding destroyed or out of date infastructure go to ruin. That's a great idea.
Did anybody hear Bush say "Sometimes money trumps peace" the other day? Kinda spooky.
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.
do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?
great the democrats are finally calling bush out formally....almost 4 goddamn years into this horrible war.
I think we all should heed Sean penn's advice. At the recent protest in DC he said "And if they don't stand up and make a resolution as binding as the death toll, we're not going to be behind those politicians. We're here, and we’re going to be in local districts, and we’re going to push this until this resolution is binding, the money stops and the troops come home."
he has a point. Over 3,000 kids have died as a result of this war, shouldnt this be more than a nonbinding resolution? Even Jon Stewart criticized it.
Its good to try and make your voice heard, but this vote is symbolic.
I say we heed the advice of many people and cut the funds. Their is a house resulution being circulated right now. Thats the only way to end it. The only way. By cutting the funding, it is binding, and its more than symbolic, its a real action.
It seems to me, the democrats have a choice to make. Do they do what every democrat politician has done for years, especially those running for president, make themselves appear less leftwing or radical than they may be, or do they actually go out and try to do something, reguardless of the political ramifications or the potential harm to their potential presidential aspirations.
This has been a huge pet peeve of mine about the Dems. They never seem to want to go the full distance. They never put their money where their mouths are.
If I was a politician, I would demand the immediate withdrawal of all troops, and to support the cutting of all funds from this war. Its the right thing to do. I mean its our generation thats dying here, and they cant even bring a binding resolution to the table? Is that leadership?
Thats my problem. Thats why obama aint getting my vote. He is only for this nonbinding resolution. He isnt for cutting funds. Kucinich has from the start wanted all troops out immediately. he is the only democrat calling for that.
Symbolic votes arent doing anything and wont do anything. The time is now, for action, to bring the troops home.
And I agree with Sean Penn, those who dont vote to bring the troops home now, and lets make that clear THIS INCLUDES DEMS AND REPUBLICANS, none will get our votes.
Money diverted from the war will just mean less protection for the troops. Is that what we want? Because we all know Bush is going to hand this war off to the next guy either way...
Now this would have worked, and Bush rejected it out of hand. The latest plan by Al Maliki would have had US troops withdraw from Baghdad and move out to encircle the city and free up US troops to handle Al Qaeda strongholds and the border regions..Bush rejected it for some unknown reason. This would have been a smart step in beginning to withdraw. If the Iraqis could have handled Baghdad, we could have taken another step back after that. In military terms its called a fighting retreat.
You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.
do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?
Thats because he was still working on state road legislation in 2003. Thats going to be his strong point? He was not qualified to render a vote in 2003 nor was he in position too. If he's going to run on what he woulda done, that crap wont fly. If he were in Congress in 03 I have NO DOUBT, especially with his political ambitions, and his dodgy Muslim background he most certainly would have voted with Hillary Clinton and John Kerry FOR the war. Thats an easy one,
And I say to that, that is Iraq. If Iraq needs to settle its differences that way, let them because they're going to anyway.
Funny how nobody interfered with America during that Civil War.
You need to do some reading. The British supplied guns and ammo to the confederates. Yes, the peace loving morally superior British supplied arms to the South. Wrong!
ALO: Tell us how Lincoln responded to British support for the Confederate war effort?
Dean Mahin: Arms and supplies brought from Britain by the blockade runners sustained the Confederate war effort for one to two years longer than would have been possible without this support. The majority of the ships were British-built, British-owned, and British-manned, and carried cargoes from Britain. I cite various evidence of Lincoln's involvement with the decisions to establish and maintain the blockade and his frustration at the inability of the blockading squadrons to prevent the arrival of large quantities of arms and supplies for the Confederacy. The first item on Lincoln's list of military priorities after the first debacle at Bull Run was "Let the plan for making the blockade effective be pushed forward with all possible dispatch."
But there was little else that Lincoln could do about this British contribution to the Confederate war effort. International law allowed any ship to attempt to evade the blockade; if a ship was caught, the ship and cargo were forfeited. The British government insisted that this "neutral trade" by the British private sector did not violate official British neutrality. The dominant British role in the blockade running system was rarely mentioned in the diplomatic correspondence with Britain. Neither the British nor the U.S. government wanted to establish any precedent which would limit the rights of future governments in future wars to establish blockades or attempt to evade them.
democrats need to stop wasting time with pointless shit like this. All they do is bitch about everything the bush administration does, but they can never come up with any constructive ideas of their own to help the situation. This bill isn't going to remove the troops from iraq. DEMS and REPS need to WORK TOGETHER. politics isn't even about the development of our country anymore, its just a name-calling, backstabbing, bitching, CORPORATION. The headlines should say: "today republicans are shit because they passed a bill in the house that said so." "Party identification" should be called "passable ignorance" because it allows most people to just regurgitate their parties beliefs without for one second, try to understand what it means. At the walk for life rally in san fransisco against abortion there were protesters there bitching about bush and the war in Iraq as a counter-protest against the pro-lifers. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION? And when this war is over (god willing), they'll find something else to bitch about. And everything aside: the whole "impeach bush" thing is fucking retarded. I'm tired of hearing it and it's not going to happen. BE CONSTRUCTIVE AMERICA.
Here's to hoping the next album is along the lines of No Code
don't you think it's gonna happen anyway? how long do you propose we stay. oh, let me guess, until the "job is done"
bush and co WILL cut and run. and they will blame anyone who opposed their current "plan". it's a classic case of having your cake and eating it too.
Well considering we still have troops on the ground in the Balkans and boots hit the ground there in 98, and considering the scope of this mission compared to that. Yeah I think we will have an American military presence there for many years.
Yeah lets let the Iraqis fix it. We can pack up and leave, take all of our soldiers away, let the death squads have a field day, slaughtering whoever they want. Then we can kick out our contractors and let all the hard work of rebuiding destroyed or out of date infastructure go to ruin. That's a great idea.
The bottom line is this venture in Iraq is a performance-based issue. If we were succeeding, Democrats and anit-war citizens would be praising it as hard as they could - or at least they would shut the fuck up...
Becuase we are not succeeding, the argument that what we are doing there is wrong - gains traction and holds water for many. If we were succeeding, the argument would be weak and many wouldn't buy into it.
You guys need to understand that opinions are arbitrary and change constantly. All of this mess if George W Bush's fault. I agree 100%. But it's not his fault becuase what we're doing is wrong. It's his fault becuase he is not doing it properly.
Most Iraqi's want us out of Iraq huh? Who gives a shit, seriously... Most Iraqi's wanted us there right after we kicked Saddam's ass out of power.
we didn't understand the region. once again, american aggorance in thinking that it's brand of democracy can work in a region of the world that has no experience with western style democracy. the only western style democracy in the region is Israel. and they succeed because they are of European origin.
there is a historical basis. the middle east has only known rule by force. cant change now.
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Bush knows he has to have money to fund the war. Thus why the 185 billion he plans to use in 2007 on this war, will be voted on in a few weeks by Democrats. Do they have the guts to tell him that they will not allow him that money? Thats binding right there.
Judging by the way democrats have acted since 2001, they will continue to give him funds and not pass binding resolutions, and not cut the funds, yet will continue to complain as if they are not at least somewhat responsible for the killing thats going on.
If I was the mother, father, son or daughter of a troop in Iraq, I would be ashamed of what the democrats are doing. On the NBC nightly news they interviewed kids at a school, these kids had parents in Iraq. One kid said "anytime we take a picture at home, with friends or with family, or at holidays, there is always a big space missing, somethings missing". I got a lump in my throat. The Democrats should walk up to those kids and tell them they are too interested in political aspirations to bring their fathers and mothers home from Iraq.
I am so sick of reading that more people have died in iraq. Lets end this war. Its gone on long enough
dude, you're foaming at the mouth!
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
You don't give a damn about how many people die in Iraq. If you did, you'd actually care about the consequences of your opinions.
do you have any idea how STUPID, serioulsy, how closed-minded, and self-absorbed, and just plain dumb, this point of view is? Do you realize how many more people will actually die if we were to leave today?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And I say to that, that is Iraq. If Iraq needs to settle its differences that way, let them because they're going to anyway.
Funny how nobody interfered with America during that Civil War.
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Yeah lets let the Iraqis fix it. We can pack up and leave, take all of our soldiers away, let the death squads have a field day, slaughtering whoever they want. Then we can kick out our contractors and let all the hard work of rebuiding destroyed or out of date infastructure go to ruin. That's a great idea.
This vote was truly pointless.
Just gross. No value for human life.
American Civil War vs Iraq War, is comparing apples to oranges.
the answer is no
put your night light on. then the boogie man wont come to get you
Money diverted from the war will just mean less protection for the troops. Is that what we want? Because we all know Bush is going to hand this war off to the next guy either way...
Im with PH on this one
You need to do some reading. The British supplied guns and ammo to the confederates. Yes, the peace loving morally superior British supplied arms to the South. Wrong!
Dean Mahin: Arms and supplies brought from Britain by the blockade runners sustained the Confederate war effort for one to two years longer than would have been possible without this support. The majority of the ships were British-built, British-owned, and British-manned, and carried cargoes from Britain. I cite various evidence of Lincoln's involvement with the decisions to establish and maintain the blockade and his frustration at the inability of the blockading squadrons to prevent the arrival of large quantities of arms and supplies for the Confederacy. The first item on Lincoln's list of military priorities after the first debacle at Bull Run was "Let the plan for making the blockade effective be pushed forward with all possible dispatch."
But there was little else that Lincoln could do about this British contribution to the Confederate war effort. International law allowed any ship to attempt to evade the blockade; if a ship was caught, the ship and cargo were forfeited. The British government insisted that this "neutral trade" by the British private sector did not violate official British neutrality. The dominant British role in the blockade running system was rarely mentioned in the diplomatic correspondence with Britain. Neither the British nor the U.S. government wanted to establish any precedent which would limit the rights of future governments in future wars to establish blockades or attempt to evade them.
Well considering we still have troops on the ground in the Balkans and boots hit the ground there in 98, and considering the scope of this mission compared to that. Yeah I think we will have an American military presence there for many years.
all that you mention is currently happening....
what's your "idea"....?
The bottom line is why aren't we succeeding?
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there is a historical basis. the middle east has only known rule by force. cant change now.