And please don't remind me of the shame of being governed by a moron who refuses to sign Kyoto. It's just too embarrassing for words.
funny how we differ...can't really see any sane leader signing such a law. *see socialist conspiracy thread*
BTW - have I mentioned how much I envy you...being lead by a great man like your PM?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Sorry you're right. I was referring to the Aussie gov't which has a reputation for being less than green, not Australia in general.
Solar power would be an obvious alterative for sunny Australia.
I don't know. . . Solar sounds great, but it doesn't seem to be particularly efficient. According to the information that I've been able to find, the first solar plant that I mentioned in the post above would be the largest ever built, and would only produce 154 megawatts of power. Britain's largest coal fired plant in comparison, produces 4,000 megawatts.
Anyway, here's another interesting tidbit that was posted on the news page of my university's website.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
Saw an interesting story last night about various plants that could be built which would result in greater amounts of algae growing in the oceans which would reduce the carbon in the atmosphere. We in Australia can't realistically expect renewable energy sources to supply much of our power (until they are more efficient) but ideas like this could be a solution in part to global warming.
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
I don't know. . . Solar sounds great, but it doesn't seem to be particularly efficient. According to the information that I've been able to find, the first solar plant that I mentioned in the post above would be the largest ever built, and would only produce 154 megawatts of power. Britain's largest coal fired plant in comparison, produces 4,000 megawatts.
Anyway, here's another interesting tidbit that was posted on the news page of my university's website.
Saw an interesting story last night about various plants that could be built which would result in greater amounts of algae growing in the oceans which would reduce the carbon in the atmosphere. We in Australia can't realistically expect renewable energy sources to supply much of our power (until they are more efficient) but ideas like this could be a solution in part to global warming.
I've read a bit about this idea. Basically the way it works is you culture large quantities of algae in 'bioreactors'. In a perfect world, the algae can be fed waste material, and would need only sunlight and atmospheric CO2 to grow. If the correct species are chosen, the resulting material is rich in hydrocarbons and can be refined to produce useful fuel products. The problem is that at this stage its very difficult to keep the cultures pure, and its an extremely expensive way to produce fuel.
Ethanol produced from sugarcane makes a lot more sense. The concept is the same, because you're taking CO2 out of the atmosphere to produce the fuel, rather than digging it out of the ground.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
I've read a bit about this idea. Basically the way it works is you culture large quantities of algae in 'bioreactors'. In a perfect world, the algae can be fed waste material, and would need only sunlight and atmospheric CO2 to grow. If the correct species are chosen, the resulting material is rich in hydrocarbons and can be refined to produce useful fuel products. The problem is that at this stage its very difficult to keep the cultures pure, and its an extremely expensive way to produce fuel.
Ethanol produced from sugarcane makes a lot more sense. The concept is the same, because you're taking CO2 out of the atmosphere to produce the fuel, rather than digging it out of the ground.
We should really be fueling as many vehicles as possible on ethanol. There is a bus around my local area that is completely fueled by it, why can't we have cars using it? Reducing the dependece on fossil fuels? Solar and wind power simply are not efficient enough at the moment, but fuels like ethanol and nuclear (if the elecorate is willing to go that route) would be much cleaner than using coal and petroleum.
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
...about this subject I have an opinion and I would like to share it...
...thank you Australia.
I think it is great news cause maybe a law is needed to change things.
Not always it works to try to change the world by counting on good will.
Sometimes a government needs to act and make a law to improve our living circumstances and maybe improve life in general.
so, please go on with making great examples, Australia.
and it seems it is true what I heard on telly: the world counts on Australia now cause they do experience climate change and its impact already very clearly.
so time for action and setting examples that the rest of us can follow.
p.s. in Germany such a law is discussed as well those days.
And the industry said it is easy to follow such a law.
We just need 2 years til we change the production of light bulbs.
So there is the agreement now that by the end of 2008 there will be only those energy friendly bulbs produced and sold here in Germany.
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
funny how we differ...can't really see any sane leader signing such a law. *see socialist conspiracy thread*
BTW - have I mentioned how much I envy you...being lead by a great man like your PM?
Look Hawk I agree with cate here. It would be a gesture of good will on our behalf to stand up and be counted as at least having the nouse to be wanting to participate in making change. It's not like we couldn't have signed and then set about getting the damn protocols changed anyway. But not signing is like saying we can't be bothered at all. We didn't sign so we can do what we like. That is pretty pathetic. Like so many of the decisions made by our short and annoying leader. At the very least if he wasn't going to sign he could have lead the way by making a real alternative a viable option. Didn't happen. Won't happen. Because Johnny doesn't give a shit about the environment.
It's all about the bucks and bending over for George and big business.
And yes dear, I know you love him! As I've said before you can have him!!
Except I don't want to swap for W!!!
How could we sign the kyoto protocol and then set about getting the protocol changed? You don't sign a treaty and then after the fact, set about getting the treaty changed. You either think its a good idea to sign or you do not, there is no option to sign it purely for goodwill purposes and yet have no desire to follow through with the treaty's intention. Am I missing something here? Instead of worrying about stupid treaties how about taking some real action and reducing our carbon emissions? We could start by reducing our dependence on oil and fuel more cars via ethanol. We could vastly improve our public transport systems, particulary in the outer suburbs of Melbourne for instance. Forget about the stupid treaty......
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
How could we sign the kyoto protocol and then set about getting the protocol changed? You don't sign a treaty and then after the fact, set about getting the treaty changed. You either think its a good idea to sign or you do not, there is no option to sign it purely for goodwill purposes and yet have no desire to follow through with the treaty's intention. Am I missing something here? Instead of worrying about stupid treaties how about taking some real action and reducing our carbon emissions? We could start by reducing our dependence on oil and fuel more cars via ethanol. We could vastly improve our public transport systems, particulary in the outer suburbs of Melbourne for instance. Forget about the stupid treaty......
not change it. modify it, so it works better. more effeciently even.
yes i agree. start making some real moves to eliminate emissions. but that doesn't seem to getting done.there's an awful amount of rhetoric being blown around which harnessed could probably power a decent sized country town alone. the only reason there's any talk of it now is cause we are in an election year. otherwise we've be hearing diddleysquat.
and goodluck improving transport systems when they are privatised. and must return a maximum profit at all times.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
How could we sign the kyoto protocol and then set about getting the protocol changed? You don't sign a treaty and then after the fact, set about getting the treaty changed. You either think its a good idea to sign or you do not, there is no option to sign it purely for goodwill purposes and yet have no desire to follow through with the treaty's intention. Am I missing something here? Instead of worrying about stupid treaties how about taking some real action and reducing our carbon emissions? We could start by reducing our dependence on oil and fuel more cars via ethanol. We could vastly improve our public transport systems, particulary in the outer suburbs of Melbourne for instance. Forget about the stupid treaty......
Things change all the time ASL. It's not like politicians don't move the goal posts at every opportunity. It is a unifying document intent on getting the world to look at climate change together. And it's been around for yonks! In all the time it has been about, has the government ever said, we don't like this we need this, this and this, to be added or amended and then we'll sign? Nope! Don't recall that. Because they never had any intention of signing. Fine don't sign it. BUT don't then expect that your constituents will ever trust you to be fair and reasonable when it comes to the environment. Kyoto is world stage. And Johnny fluffed his lines over and over. Don't expect the world to look to you as a leader when it comes to the environment either. He won't go to all the trouble of reducing our countries dependence on oil because he's not really interested. No money in it for him, or power or whatever it is he covets.
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funny how we differ...can't really see any sane leader signing such a law. *see socialist conspiracy thread*
BTW - have I mentioned how much I envy you...being lead by a great man like your PM?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I don't know. . . Solar sounds great, but it doesn't seem to be particularly efficient. According to the information that I've been able to find, the first solar plant that I mentioned in the post above would be the largest ever built, and would only produce 154 megawatts of power. Britain's largest coal fired plant in comparison, produces 4,000 megawatts.
Anyway, here's another interesting tidbit that was posted on the news page of my university's website.
http://www.une.edu.au/news/archives/000710.html
-C Addison
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
but that's 154 megawatts of clean energy, so to speak ... everything has to be done in conjunction ...
1. intense conservation strategy
2. upgrades in efficiencies
3. bringing renewables on-line
as for solar - new technology is being developed ... i expect to see their efficiency go significantly up within 5 years ...
I've read a bit about this idea. Basically the way it works is you culture large quantities of algae in 'bioreactors'. In a perfect world, the algae can be fed waste material, and would need only sunlight and atmospheric CO2 to grow. If the correct species are chosen, the resulting material is rich in hydrocarbons and can be refined to produce useful fuel products. The problem is that at this stage its very difficult to keep the cultures pure, and its an extremely expensive way to produce fuel.
Ethanol produced from sugarcane makes a lot more sense. The concept is the same, because you're taking CO2 out of the atmosphere to produce the fuel, rather than digging it out of the ground.
-C Addison
We should really be fueling as many vehicles as possible on ethanol. There is a bus around my local area that is completely fueled by it, why can't we have cars using it? Reducing the dependece on fossil fuels? Solar and wind power simply are not efficient enough at the moment, but fuels like ethanol and nuclear (if the elecorate is willing to go that route) would be much cleaner than using coal and petroleum.
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
...thank you Australia.
I think it is great news cause maybe a law is needed to change things.
Not always it works to try to change the world by counting on good will.
Sometimes a government needs to act and make a law to improve our living circumstances and maybe improve life in general.
so, please go on with making great examples, Australia.
and it seems it is true what I heard on telly: the world counts on Australia now cause they do experience climate change and its impact already very clearly.
so time for action and setting examples that the rest of us can follow.
p.s. in Germany such a law is discussed as well those days.
And the industry said it is easy to follow such a law.
We just need 2 years til we change the production of light bulbs.
So there is the agreement now that by the end of 2008 there will be only those energy friendly bulbs produced and sold here in Germany.
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
It's all about the bucks and bending over for George and big business.
And yes dear, I know you love him!
Except I don't want to swap for W!!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
not change it. modify it, so it works better. more effeciently even.
yes i agree. start making some real moves to eliminate emissions. but that doesn't seem to getting done.there's an awful amount of rhetoric being blown around which harnessed could probably power a decent sized country town alone. the only reason there's any talk of it now is cause we are in an election year. otherwise we've be hearing diddleysquat.
and goodluck improving transport systems when they are privatised. and must return a maximum profit at all times.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Things change all the time ASL. It's not like politicians don't move the goal posts at every opportunity. It is a unifying document intent on getting the world to look at climate change together. And it's been around for yonks! In all the time it has been about, has the government ever said, we don't like this we need this, this and this, to be added or amended and then we'll sign? Nope! Don't recall that. Because they never had any intention of signing. Fine don't sign it. BUT don't then expect that your constituents will ever trust you to be fair and reasonable when it comes to the environment. Kyoto is world stage. And Johnny fluffed his lines over and over. Don't expect the world to look to you as a leader when it comes to the environment either. He won't go to all the trouble of reducing our countries dependence on oil because he's not really interested. No money in it for him, or power or whatever it is he covets.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift