3 Judges Hang In The Balance
Gonzo1977
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3 Supreme Court Judges hang in the balance.
If John McCain is elected November 4th he will elect 3 Hard Right Christian Conservative Judges in the blink of an eye.
If you value your individual freedom, the freedom of your sons and daughters, if you value your body, your mind, and the right to choose…If you value FREEDOM…This is the MOST IMPORTANT election of your life. Do not let them take this away.
A McCain presidency will usher in a marriage between Church and State; the ultimate betrayal of what our political system was founded on. Just look at the people he has around him. Look at their records. It's very clear on what McCain's agenda actually is
This election is a referendum of all of our most sacred Freedoms.
Do not forget what's really at stake here.
If John McCain is elected November 4th he will elect 3 Hard Right Christian Conservative Judges in the blink of an eye.
If you value your individual freedom, the freedom of your sons and daughters, if you value your body, your mind, and the right to choose…If you value FREEDOM…This is the MOST IMPORTANT election of your life. Do not let them take this away.
A McCain presidency will usher in a marriage between Church and State; the ultimate betrayal of what our political system was founded on. Just look at the people he has around him. Look at their records. It's very clear on what McCain's agenda actually is
This election is a referendum of all of our most sacred Freedoms.
Do not forget what's really at stake here.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Are you an American?
You may like Obama's picks for the court better than you'll like McCain's picks, but please don't try to couch a vote for Obama, who supported wiretapping and extending the Patriot Act, as a vote for freedom. That is bullshit.
Why would he do that? He's not hard right in his ideology himself...?
For me, the biggest threat to freedom is higher taxes (or at least not cutting taxes)
Do you have proof of any of this? McCain can't marry church and state because it's against the constitution and the system of checks and balances wouldn't allow it.
Are you sure your username isn't "Chicken Little"?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Yes I am. Born and raised.
My wife an I are living in Toronto.
Haha! Just noticed the location of the OP is listed as the armpits of Canada (isn't that redundant?). Anyway, that explains a lot.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Isn't it as many as 6? 5 are in their 70's or older in Stevens' Case (88) and one just turned 69.
The other three are Thomas, Alito and Roberts who are 60 and under.
Whoever wins will shape the court for the next 20-25 years.
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just quoting this before you edit it ...
No need to edit it. I mean it wholeheartedly.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
How about running the deficit up and up to the point where Goverment is shrunk and it becomes a nation of ownership? Don't ever kid yourself if you don't think this is what it's about.
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How about electing Supreme Court Judges that take away these freedoms by placing laws? The system of check and balance is in big part to having a balanced Supreme Court. If that balance is swayed, than Church and State becomes a horrifying reality.
What??? Are you from Stongsville Ohio?
Currently living in Canada. US born. Own a home in the USA. Pay taxes in the USA. Voting in this election. You don't know shit about me....Do you?
oh ... i know you do ...
No - just know a bit about Canada...or at least have had many, many, many negative experiences with it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
What does that have to do at all with your original post?
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Supreme Court Judges don't "place" laws. Perhaps your misunderstanding of the system is feuling your fears.
Nope. But I may have driven through it once.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Ha Ha Ha
I had a bad time in Canada. I hate Canada. Nice Generalization there pal.
Yeah - I "generally" try to avoid generalizations....but I believe Canada is guilty as charged due to a preponderance of the evidence.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Then why are you so concerned about the U.S. election if you don't even live here anymore? Are you coming back to live in the U.S. soon?
Seems kinda strange to me.
McCain: ... I will find the best people in the world -- in the United States of America who have a history of strict adherence to the Constitution. And not legislating from the bench.
Schieffer: But even if it was someone -- even someone who had a history of being for abortion rights, you would consider them?
McCain: I would consider anyone in their qualifications. I do not believe that someone who has supported Roe v. Wade that would be part of those qualifications. But I certainly would not impose any litmus test.
OK, when i heard this, i questioned what McCain said, and am a little confused ... is he contradicting himself? Is he saying that he does not think that someone who supported Roe v Wage would meet his qualifactions, because then he brings up the litmus test again?
because the US election is for ruler of the free world? at least thats what americans keep telling us on here... biggest, greatest, wealthiest, freest goddam country in the world.... he is an american citizen.. should he not be concerned with who leads his own country? perhaps every other member of his family and his wife's family still live there? should he just stop caring?
Your right...They don't "Place" Laws. They are an appeals court with the power to overturn laws. But doesn't this in a sense Make a law in it's own?
Anyways you asked about Checks and balances....Well
The Supreme Court is granted power to overturn laws and executive actions that it deems unlawful or unconstitutional. Who's to say they couldn't...if driven by a Right Wing Christian Conservatist motive overturn certain constitutional rights such as a "Womens Right To Choose" to fit such agenda?
It's been done before in the case of Marbury v. Madison (1803) and it's a very real reality that this could happen again.
Perhaps you may need to further your knowledge of the Powers of The US Supreme Court as well.
Sorry if your confused, but I thought I already answered this question.
That's exactly what he said. I'm very suprised the moderator didn't press him on it further because the debate could have taken a really interesting turn.
McCain had a really hard time hiding his motives on this. I think that statement about "Someone who supported Roe v Wade would not meet his qualifactions" was a very clear indication of what kind of judge he's looking to appoint.
And just look at Palin and Brown and all of these Anti-Choice people he's got around him. It's very obvious that ROE V Wade is very much on the line in this election.
NO.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i think they said that last election, and the one before that, and the one before that...
So if they overturn a law...Let's make if painfully obvious here. ROE V WADE. It would make that law extinct. In it's place a NEW LAW making abortion illegal.
3-6 judges or seats on the Supreme Court were not up for grabs during those elections.
reagan nominated 3 judges
ghw bush nominated 2
clinton nominated 2
gw bush nominated 2
it's prob safe to assume that during each of those presidencies people thought at least 3 would retire shortly and some didn't.
i'd say it's safe to say that 2 will prob be up for appointment almost assuredly, and quite possibly another 2 shortly (w/in 4 - 6 years) thereafter
George W Bush's nominations, 1 of which was Roberts were extremely Conservative. If McCain get's 3 in there and follows suit. We could be in alot of trouble.
Actually Reagan has 2 and Ford still has 1, but the Justices weren't this old as a whole in recent memory:
Stevens - 88 appointed by Ford
Ginsberg - 75 appointed by Clinton
Scalia - 72 appointed by Reagan
Kennedy - 72 appointed by Reagan
Breyer - 70 appointed by Clinton
Souter - 69 appointed by Bush, Sr.
Thomas - 60 appointed by Bush, Sr.
Alito - 58 appointed by Bush
Roberts - 53 appointed by Bush
O'Connon retired at 76 so it's likely that if the next president gets two terms, they get 6 justices. One term should be about 3 selections.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
if he gets in there and doesn't follow suit, we won't be in a lot of trouble. It seems like there's a lot of trying to instill fear and panic into people...i'd be much more scared of having palin get picks than mccain...and I'm typically conservative.