U.S. Aborted Raid on Qaeda Chiefs in Pakistan in ’05

ArmsinaV

my2hands wrote:

almost every single fucking person has been sold on the greatest lie ever told...

What's that?

Cosmo

ArmsinaV wrote:

Pakistan is like every other "ally" we have in the region, tentative at best. The key is understanding that we won't have an ideal, staunch ally in the area (sans Israel) and that sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Balancing those alliances - and the dubious positions they can put you in - is what makes the Middle East so difficult.

The US needs to eventually be in a position where the Middle East is isolated to the point where they have to deal with their own problems. Not in a position where people can - rightly or wrongly - blame the West for every problem in the area. This won't happen until oil is not the driving force of the world's economy.

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That's why we should adapt a policy in the region of just buying the fucking opil and saying, "Thanx... mother fuckers."
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and Israel is a big boy, now. They are tough fighters.... they got nukes... they can take care of themselves. Let THEM figure out a way to co-exist in the region.

ArmsinaV

Cosmo wrote:

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That's why we should adapt a policy in the region of just buying the fucking opil and saying, "Thanx... mother fuckers."
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and Israel is a big boy, now. They are tough fighters.... they got nukes... they can take care of themselves. Let THEM figure out a way to co-exist in the region.

What is particularly bothersome about Israel to me is the infatuation of evangelical Christians with maintaining it. As a Christian, I find it disturbing that many believe in biblical charge to defend Israel as it exists today. (Not that I necessarily believe in cutting all ties with it.)

I drove by a Baptist church yesterday with an Israeli flag next to the American flag, in fact. One preacher in particular that I've seen on tv, John Hagee, is always preaching how the end is coming soon and trying to connect the apocalyptic dots with Saddam Hussein, bin Laden, China, etc. Disgusting and scary.

Cosmo

ArmsinaV wrote:

What is particularly bothersome about Israel to me is the infatuation of evangelical Christians with maintaining it. As a Christian, I find it disturbing that many believe in biblical charge to defend Israel as it exists today. (Not that I necessarily believe in cutting all ties with it.)

I drove by a Baptist church yesterday with an Israeli flag next to the American flag, in fact. One preacher in particular that I've seen on tv, John Hagee, is always preaching how the end is coming soon and trying to connect the apocalyptic dots with Saddam Hussein, bin Laden, China, etc. Disgusting and scary.

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There are some... note, I said "Some"... Christians that actually believe that the U.S. should destroy the Temple Mount in Jeruselem so the Jews can reuild the Temple, thus, fulfilling the Phrophecy of Jesus and harken in His return.
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My guess... this would make Jesus pissed off... death and destruction done in His name... and He'd be coming back to kick some ass. And it's not going to be Heathen non-believer ass... it's going to be death and destruction in Jesus name ass.

EastofEden

ArmsinaV wrote:

What is particularly bothersome about Israel to me is the infatuation of evangelical Christians with maintaining it. As a Christian, I find it disturbing that many believe in biblical charge to defend Israel as it exists today. (Not that I necessarily believe in cutting all ties with it.)

I drove by a Baptist church yesterday with an Israeli flag next to the American flag, in fact. One preacher in particular that I've seen on tv, John Hagee, is always preaching how the end is coming soon and trying to connect the apocalyptic dots with Saddam Hussein, bin Laden, China, etc. Disgusting and scary.

How funny you mentioned that.

Im Christian as well and lately Ive noticed in political converstions with fam and friends who share the faith, that there is a very strong undercurrent of "pro-Israel".

Which I find stupid and hypocritical for anyone who claims to be a student of the Bible.

ArmsinaV

Cosmo wrote:

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There are some... note, I said "Some"... Christians that actually believe that the U.S. should destroy the Temple Mount in Jeruselem so the Jews can reuild the Temple, thus, fulfilling the Phrophecy of Jesus and harken in His return.
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My guess... this would make Jesus pissed off... death and destruction done in His name... and He'd be coming back to kick some ass. And it's not going to be Heathen non-believer ass... it's going to be death and destruction in Jesus name ass.

People like this misapply the message of Jesus, purposely or not, to promote their own agendas. They put themselves in an advantageous position politically and religiously while ignoring the message of Christ.

The "kingdom" Jesus preached was by in large spiritual in basis. The idea was that the physical kingdom of the Jews was no longer needed, all are welcome, and the material standards of this world mean nothing in comparison. The last thing Jesus promoted was some sort of call to action to establish a physical kingdom/nation so he could return.

kenny olav

if they beat Al-Qaeda too quickly, how would the war profiteers pay the mortgages on their multi-million dollar homes? we can't just put them out of a job! have some sympathy for the working man.