Secondhand Smoke a Threat to All

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Mike mentioned in an interview that he used Allen Carr's method to stop smoking. It's called The EasyWay method. His seminars have a rate of 90% success. I read the book and was amazed at how easy it was. I smoked for 18 years and stopped. NO JOKE.
Thanks Mike for speaking about it and anyone that wants to stop should try it.

MLC2006

nick1977 wrote:

Any habbit that costs the taxpayers millions of dollars every year is legitimate concern for the government. Smoking costs the taxpayers millions every year because Medicaid has to pick up the tab.

having babies out of wedlock and into welfare is a habit that costs taxpayers millions, if not billions of dollars, each year. should the government do something to tighten down on this?

I'm a good driver, but bad drivers cause my insurance and taxes to go up every year. something going to be done about it?

as mentioned earlier, taxpayers have to pay higher taxes for fatasses that call fastfood their main dining hall, why?

why should smokers be punished when no one else is? how about the people that are driving H2 and Tahoes? they are killing ALL of us.

decides2dream

i don't knopw why these debates always trail off in these directions. for me, it's simple. second-hand smoke, indoors, adversely affects my well-being and health......study after study proves such...and duffy wonders why we need more studies...b/c people continually rationalize the adverse affects.

i am a former smoker, LOVEd it....but i also never expected anyone to endure my smoking. i take zero issue with people smoking outdoors....you have to be able to smoke somewhere.....and of course in your home/car....couldn't care less. i also couldn't care less if someone wants to be obese, it's their choice...or whatever one else may do to adversely affect their OWN health. as long as it does not infringe on mine....go for it. now saying car emissions are bad for our health...sure.....but i am also not subjected to them continually in a closed, indoor environment...so not quite the same thing.

why are smokers 'punished'...? didn't think they were. you want to smoke, go and smoke. just don't do so in an indoor public place...b/c now you're infringing on the rights of others. that's all. i don't consider it punishment. as far as the taxes on cigarettes....well that's where the gov't comes in, covering medicare costs for your habit, etc...all your choice.

MLC2006

decides2dream wrote:

now saying car emissions are bad for our health...sure.....but i am also not subjected to them continually in a closed, indoor environment...so not quite the same thing.

actually, emissions and other pollutions are the main causes for global warming, so you are actually MUCH more affected by this than by cigarette smoke.

fridgehopper

MLC2006 wrote:

actually, emissions and other pollutions are the main causes for global warming, so you are actually MUCH more affected by this than by cigarette smoke.

Stop being so pathetic, whilst what you've said is true, smoking is a much easier thing to tackle so of course it will be sorted out before pollution is. We've had the smoking ban in Scotland for a couple of months now, and it's brilliant. More people have actually been going to pubs and while smoking was banned in most resturants, it's brilliant it's now against the law. I heard a smoker on the tv complain that it was horrible not being able to light up after a meal in a resturant, and I couldn't get over how rude that was of her. It's disgusting to smoke whilst someone near is eating. It's funny how some smokers always try to come up with point after point about why they should be allowed to infect other people with their habit, but at the end of the day, it can not be justified.

Basically, it won't change your life too drastically if you smoke, because you are still being allowed to smoke, you just won't be infringing on other peoples rights, and that's always a good thing, surely?

even flow?

I wonder when they will stop blaming the people who smoke and get on the people who make the things. Of course it is easier to sell the public on the bad guy being the smoker instead of the pusher. But, hey smokes are legal, so smoke up.

I have to edit: I wonder which is worse? Standing still in traffic sucking up all the yellow air trying to get to work and back home every day. Or a little bit of smoke?

stu gee

Ive never ever understood smoking. Tried it for the first time when i was about 12 and didnt see any point in it at all. It stinks, costs lots of money, makes your clothes smell really bad and doesnt give you any kind of buzz, totally pointless. Im so glad that this year they banned smoking in all bars, clubs and restaurants where i stay.

1970RR

nick1977 wrote:

Look at children who grew up in households where parents smoke inside....the proof is there.....increased asthma, health problems, etc.

Any habbit that costs the taxpayers millions of dollars every year is legitimate concern for the government. Smoking costs the taxpayers millions every year because Medicaid has to pick up the tab.

I would think that smokers dying off earlier saves taxpayers money in the long run by cutting out years of social security payments and medicare.

As for increased health problems directly attributable to second-hand smoke, I would think that these problems would be decreasing in correlation to the reduction in smoking over the past 30 years or so.

MLC2006

fridgehopper wrote:

Stop being so pathetic, whilst what you've said is true, smoking is a much easier thing to tackle so of course it will be sorted out before pollution is.

completely silly. pollution is a bigger problem to EVERYONE than smoking. obesity is a bigger problem to EVERYONE than smoking.

I personally don't smoke in restaurants either, but if smoking in a restaurant bothers you, here's a novel idea.....sit in the fucking NON-SMOKING section. If a bunch of smokers are gathered around a public ashtray on the sidewalk, here's another idea.......stand SOMEWHERE else. boohoo, people are just whiny babies.

even flow?

nick1977 wrote:

Look at children who grew up in households where parents smoke inside....the proof is there.....increased asthma, health problems, etc.

Any habbit that costs the taxpayers millions of dollars every year is legitimate concern for the government. Smoking costs the taxpayers millions every year because Medicaid has to pick up the tab.

Dude you really need to take a look at asthma and the turn of the century industry before worrying about what ciggie smoking has done.

Oh by the way. My father smoked like a chimney in the house when I was growing up and my brother and I don't have asthma or any health problems. Unless my brothers hip replacement was caused by second hand smoke.

As for the habit the costs tax payers millions. Why don't you make sure they stop making the things and then we won't have second hand smoke. Then the real truth will come out about industry and emissions from cars. Some how I think the haze over the city of Toronto does more for the lungs on a hot summer day, then sucking in a breath of somebody's smoke. I wonder what you think about that?

sonicreducer

MLC2006 wrote:

that's funny, because I think smoking is more responsible than letting a television raise your children, like most Americans do. or learning to play Madden instead of learning something like a musical instrument or something that can enrich your life. or how 80% of Americans are obese. or how most Americans couldn't even tell you what continent our military is currently fighting a war on. etc etc etc.

no one has room to bitch about smokers unless their own lives are completely spotfree.

look, all the things you stated are problems that matter, but i only mentioned things relating to smoking. smoking is not responsible at all and i have plenty of room to bitch about smoking. i shouldn't have to worry about a person's cigarette filling my lungs up with second hand smoke. that is a big fucking deal to me. the only reason you are bringing up all that other shit so defensively is because you know that, in reality, you have no justification for your actions. how could you be so stupid? i suppose you have never lost someone you loved dearly to lung cancer either. i am extremely sensitive to this shit. when people smoke, to me, it seems rather selfish because you know what you are doing to your body. yeah, everybody has to die somehow, but from smoking IS SO FUCKING PREVENTABLE! actually, you're only defense should be that smoking is legal and i can do it if i want because i am a free american.

soulsinging wrote:

ah, you're one of THOSE people. you folks annoy the piss out of me. you're like those godamn jehovah's witnesses running around trying to save people. do you warn someone every time they eat at mcd's that the burger will probly kill them? cos such people also obviously dont care about their significant others... how old are you? are you in any of those truth ads?

im one of THOSE people. ok, i can live with that, whatever. it's sad that y ou can't some up with any logical excuse to smoke. it is an addicting habit. i've known people that quit cold turkey that smoked for 10 years. yes, they have cravings, but they don't satisfy them. you still have time brother. Im like a "godamn jehovah's witness". yeah, good call. how about, i care. that sounds better to me. yeah, you can do whatever you want. it's legal. so what,... it's stupid as fuck and you know it. we all know the health implications. not to mention how annoying you are when i go to play pool at a bar and come back smelling like a fucking ashtray. fuck you man. your little "addiction" causes me just as much annoyance as i do trying to stop you from continuing such a dumbass habit. as for your statement about McDonald's hamburgers. It's kind of funny. My girlfriend's mom is a general manager there, but we rarely eat there because we know it isn't so healthy. If I had a friend who constantly ate burgers everyday, yes, I would so tell him to think about what he's eating and how it affects his body. im not in any of those truth ads, but id volunteer if they came to clemson. so the fuck what,... im 22 by the way, 23 this sunday. im a senior at clemson, finally. it's so funny that you guys responded to my post with such random shit. id like to know a couple reasons why you get so defensive about your habit and try to point out everything that is wrong with the world. i was only focusing on one bad habit.

soaks the pages wrote:

i really don't care who thinks it is idiotic. i do plenty of things that are self-destructive, but the fact of the matter is that, regardless of my "significant people," my self is my own to destroy. and the criticism from you and others is unwelcome. you are not my doctor, thank you very much.

and if you try to get people to quit when they are not ready or do not want you to get them to quit, that should mean "back off." you don't really have any right to berate people who do smoke if they do so on their own property or outside, no more right than i have to take a megaphone and sit outside a mcdonald's and holler at people for "killing themselves" with big macs.

well, yourself is your own to destroy. that is why you have the choice, and that is why it's a good thing you live in america where you can (for a limited time only) still do whatever you want, practically. i apologize for criticizing you, since it was unwelcome. but i have stood against smoking so strongly since i was young. i lost someone really close to me because of that bad habit. like i said earlier, we all know the health implications. i don't have to be your doctor to tell you it's bad for you. why shouldn't i stand against it? i have every right to free speech and free typing for that matter. yeah, i've learned the hard way about trying to get people to quit. they can be rather bitchy about it. they get really defensive too. i guarantee that my girlfriend is healthier now that she quit. she is just as happy, if not more happy, than she was before when she did smoke. and technically, i do have every right to do the last two things in your post. don't even try to act like it might be say unethical? or wrong? maybe annoying,... but it makes sense. and seriously, smokers don't just smoke on their own property. smokers smoke in restaurants and bars too. hopefully, there won't be soon. maybe not soon enough, but soon.


and id like to say this too. the only angle i've ever taken (besides my post asking for trouble) is to people that im close to. i can reach them, eventually. im not the guy who asks you to put it out when im eating. i don't give smokers dirty looks. i will not eat when im out with friends who smoke. i always prevent that shit. all my friends know how i feel, they respect it, and they usually move themselves. if someone lights one up and it bothers me, i will get up and move myself and i always try to be polite without any negative body language. it gets on my nerves, but i don't say anything to them. here on the message board, it's a little easier to criticize people. im not necessarily ruining the night out talking about religion or politics or smoking. you catch my drift. so sorry for taking all that built up negative energy out on you people here on the board.

but seriously, you should think about trying something else.

Ericastrada

All this talk about smoking makes me want a cigarette.

soaks the pages

sonicreducer wrote:

i shouldn't have to worry about a person's cigarette filling my lungs up with second hand smoke. that is a big fucking deal to me.

so stay away from smokers.

sonicreducer wrote:

i was only focusing on one bad habit.

i am certain you have one of your own. i don't know what it is.. but you've got one. why not work on that one first, and then when you're perfect, you can come and criticize my bad habit.

MLC2006

sonicreducer wrote:

look, all the things you stated are problems that matter, but i only mentioned things relating to smoking. smoking is not responsible at all and i have plenty of room to bitch about smoking. i shouldn't have to worry about a person's cigarette filling my lungs up with second hand smoke. that is a big fucking deal to me. the only reason you are bringing up all that other shit so defensively is because you know that, in reality, you have no justification for your actions. how could you be so stupid? i suppose you have never lost someone you loved dearly to lung cancer either. i am extremely sensitive to this shit. when people smoke, to me, it seems rather selfish because you know what you are doing to your body. yeah, everybody has to die somehow, but from smoking IS SO FUCKING PREVENTABLE! actually, you're only defense should be that smoking is legal and i can do it if i want because i am a free american.



.

how could I be so stupid?? how could you, with a straight face, want someone to believe you unwillingly received a lung full of smoke from another person's cigarette? that is impossible. see someone smoking, walk away. you could stand beside a chain smoker all day long and not have to worry about "filling my lungs up with second hand smoke". btw, don't call someone stupid unless you know the difference between "your" and "you're". did you learn that at climpsun (aka 'asshole of the universe'), tater?

rightondude

All the non smokers can thank the smokers for testing the waters on this wonderful product and dying.

Be thankful they created the statistic. It could have been you.

Besides non smokers are just as addicted to something else in one way or another. Some are far worse...

I say ban guns in public too...bullets aren't the greatest either second hand or not.

Galaxie2X4

myth

sonicreducer

soaks the pages wrote:

so stay away from smokers.

i am certain you have one of your own. i don't know what it is.. but you've got one. why not work on that one first, and then when you're perfect, you can come and criticize my bad habit.

or you stay away from me while you are smoking,...

yeah, everyone has bad habits,... just because im not perfect doesn't mean i can't speak out about something i stand against very strongly,... i hope that one day you quit,...

sonicreducer

MLC2006 wrote:

how could I be so stupid?? how could you, with a straight face, want someone to believe you unwillingly received a lung full of smoke from another person's cigarette? that is impossible. see someone smoking, walk away. you could stand beside a chain smoker all day long and not have to worry about "filling my lungs up with second hand smoke". btw, don't call someone stupid unless you know the difference between "your" and "you're". did you learn that at climpsun (aka 'asshole of the universe'), tater?

im sorry that you took what i said about filling up my lungs with smoke so literally. even the smallest amount of smoke bothers me. my bad player. and seriously, it's not like if i see someone smoking ill walk up to them and complain about it to their face. didn't you read the last part of my reply? yeah, good 'ol Climpsun,... freshman year at climpsun i dated my sister and i cheated on her with my pet goat.

btw, my fucking bad for not going back and fixing my grammatical error. i deserved those comments after saying your habit was stupid. i may have said your habit was stupid, which it is, but i didn't throw out any cheap shots like that.

i just really hope you aren't a gamecock fan.

rightondude

lol....

All non smokers should stop being such pussies and smoke. Holy whimps and pusses...

bwaaa

Why not just wear facemasks? Get the pollution factor solved as well...

Were talking addiction, not some whimsical decision here folks...

Should heroin addicts just all magically quit heroin because you fear stepping on a needle?

I guess someone should just snap their fingers eh?

rightondude

C4Lukin wrote:

I mean come on, you compared it to heroin, and you expect an actual living person to take your comments seriously?


I do not smoke, I grew up in a household that had two smoking parent who quit before I hit the age of 12. Most of my best friends are smokers, I hang around them all the time, yet this whole "The Truth" me dying of cancer thing has not yet happened. I'm hoping for it though, just so you non smokers can prove how superior you are to the average human being. I know that those second hand studies will one day apply to an actual human being that I know.....


Those Truth ad's are very convincing though with those quasi thirty year old dudes dictating the awfullness of inhaling smoke that causes you to cough. Nevermind the fact that my 60 year old step father knew it was bad for you the second he took a coughing drag from a cig. He can pretend that the evil smoking companies lied to him and said it was cool..

cigarettes are as hard, or even harder to quit than heroin dude that's no secret...