# Thou shalt have no other God except thyself; after all, it's thy self-esteem that counts. If thou doth not love thyself, who will?
# Thou shalt not make any graven image out of any substances which cannot be recycled.
# Thou shalt not take the name of liberals in criticism, including feminists, racial minorities, or any person who thinks he is a victim of America.
# Remember the anniversaries of Roe vs Wade and Anita Hill's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and keep them holy.
# Honor thy mother. If she is dysfunctional, it is thy father's fault.
# Thou shalt not kill. With these exceptions: life forms under the second trimester, and those opting for medically assisted suicides.
# Thou shalt not commit adultery. Unless thou aspirest to high political office, useth a condom, or cannot help it.
# Thou shalt not steal. Unless thou art disadvantaged or upset with a jury verdict.
# Thou shalt not bear false witness. Unless thou art discussing the history of the 1980's, art campaigning, or can afford good legal counsel in the event that thou art discovered.
# Thou shalt not covet. Unless thou art the victim of gender-related oppression or institutional racism, or art still angry with Reagan's tax cuts.
# Always hide the real truth about thyself.
# Never admit who or what thou really art when campaigning for office.
# Always blame someone else for what thou dost - even so far as to blame the entire society.
# Thou shalt oppose all punishment - except when conservative Republicans or religious right people criticize thee.
"It's not that liberals know nothing. It's that what they do know isn't so."
Ronaldus Magnus
Perhaps someone has been successfully prosecuted under outdated adultery laws ... if so, I'm sure it's under appeal, and I hope it's overturned. Government has no business meddling in the sex lives of it's citizens.
The version of the ten commandments that I just posted condones slavery. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. And again: You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. It's right there ... acknowledgment that slavery exists, and yet no commandment such as "You shall not enslave your fellow humans."
Please ... these are the only Ten Commandments of which I am aware. I'd be very interested to see yours if they're different, and to know where they come from, because these are the commandments in the bible, and this is what people want to post in government buildings. I'm still waiting for the nine commandments of polite society that you alluded to earlier.
the 10 commandment i know are 10 simple sentences. you said it yourself that your's are from the bible; a book written hundreds of years AFTER Jesus; BY MAN. God never ordered a book written. man did. many things in the bible were "enhanced" for better reading. and many scriptures were destroyed because those men didn't agree with the written word. and these are the christians who wind God up on sunday and forget him the rest of the week.
Perhaps someone has been successfully prosecuted under outdated adultery laws ... if so, I'm sure it's under appeal, and I hope it's overturned. Government has no business meddling in the sex lives of it's citizens.
The version of the ten commandments that I just posted condones slavery. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. And again: You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. It's right there ... acknowledgment that slavery exists, and yet no commandment such as "You shall not enslave your fellow humans."
Please ... these are the only Ten Commandments of which I am aware. I'd be very interested to see yours if they're different, and to know where they come from, because these are the commandments in the bible, and this is what people want to post in government buildings. I'm still waiting for the nine commandments of polite society that you alluded to earlier.
PS: i've farmed for years and cows have to be milked twice a day. you can't turn them off on the sabbath. they must be fed every day too. during that time most were farmers so that doesn't make any sense.
your's are from the bible; a book written hundreds of years AFTER Jesus; BY MAN. .
The earliest accepted scholarly dating of the gospels, even in skeptical circles, is Mark in the 70's AD.
Now, If we look at the NT book of acts, which was written by Luke, we can bring a few things to light. A central character in the book of Acts is Paul, who was still alive and under some kind of arrest when the book ends. This indicates that Acts was written before Paul died, which means Acts can be no later than about AD 62. Acts was part two in a series written by Luke, Part one, of course, was his gospel which means it was earlier yet. We also know that the Gospel of Luke incorporates parts of the Gospel of Mark which places Mark, at least a little, earlier. That means we can logically place Mark about AD 55-60, and, since Christ was crucifierd apx. AD 33, that leaves us a maximum gap of, maybe, 25 years! Well within the lifespan of eyewitnesses both friendly and hostile.
Lets stop with the "hundreds of years" nonsense. It is crap, and completely unsupported by true scholarly research and academia.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
the 10 commandment i know are 10 simple sentences. you said it yourself that your's are from the bible; a book written hundreds of years AFTER Jesus; BY MAN.
The Old Testament is based on the Jewish Torah, which pre-dates Jesus.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
the 10 commandment i know are 10 simple sentences. you said it yourself that your's are from the bible; a book written hundreds of years AFTER Jesus; BY MAN. God never ordered a book written. man did. many things in the bible were "enhanced" for better reading. and many scriptures were destroyed because those men didn't agree with the written word. and these are the christians who wind God up on sunday and forget him the rest of the week.
Well what are they??? What are the sentences? Can you type them out for us?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Well what are they??? What are the sentences? Can you type them out for us?
and even more importantly, if he/she is dismissing the bible as a source....what exactly IS his/her source for these commandments? also too - the very first post clearly states that the 10 commandments in the form presented, are accepted by jews and christians alike, and as tybird kindly pointed out, the 10 commandments are present in the old testament, taken from the jewish torah.
obviously, onelongsong is focusing on the sunday school version of the commandments, which i admit i always have as well. but the source material is what it is...and is not a simplified form. no matter what the source, they all are going to be written by man b/c i don't think anyone has possession of the stone tablets given to moses, so always a degree away from true believers consider the real source, God.
The earliest accepted scholarly dating of the gospels, even in skeptical circles, is Mark in the 70's AD.
Now, If we look at the NT book of acts, which was written by Luke, we can bring a few things to light. A central character in the book of Acts is Paul, who was still alive and under some kind of arrest when the book ends. This indicates that Acts was written before Paul died, which means Acts can be no later than about AD 62. Acts was part two in a series written by Luke, Part one, of course, was his gospel which means it was earlier yet. We also know that the Gospel of Luke incorporates parts of the Gospel of Mark which places Mark, at least a little, earlier. That means we can logically place Mark about AD 55-60, and, since Christ was crucifierd apx. AD 33, that leaves us a maximum gap of, maybe, 25 years! Well within the lifespan of eyewitnesses both friendly and hostile.
Lets stop with the "hundreds of years" nonsense. It is crap, and completely unsupported by true scholarly research and academia.
first; i believe in the scriptures but the bible is not the pure scriptures. the wording has been changed several times and words that were translated do not depict the actual text. for example; Christ was born april 17th; 6 B.C. this was proven by science. the 6 A.D. edition of the bible is the only version where in the apostles creed it says Jesus decended into hell. so even prayers are different from version to version. if you want to find pure chrisianity you must look to ethiopa. when the reforms of the religion were taking effect; the new teachings didn't make it to ethiopa until they're beliefs were well formed. ethiopa is where the original 10 commandment are now.
the original christianity was nostic. it was a group of bishops that decided the bible was needed because christianity was a little different in different locations. the bible was to unite the different sects and give the religion a "handbook" so to speak; as the coran is to the jewish faith. the bishops decided what went into it and what was taboo. thus the nostic aspect was lost.
this is fact proven by science. science and religion are the same. both seek the truth and question the world around us. science has proven the scriptures correct most of the time. the discovery of the dead sea scrolls; the finding of babylon and troy; and other discoveries.
any questions?
yes.
what is the source of 'your' ten commandments and what exactly are they?
otherwise, all the rest is kinda pointless. you disagree with those presented, but w/o presenting any other source or list...doesn't give much to discuss.
first; i believe in the scriptures but the bible is not the pure scriptures. the wording has been changed several times and words that were translated do not depict the actual text. for example; Christ was born april 17th; 6 B.C. this was proven by science. the 6 A.D. edition of the bible is the only version where in the apostles creed it says Jesus decended into hell. so even prayers are different from version to version. if you want to find pure chrisianity you must look to ethiopa. when the reforms of the religion were taking effect; the new teachings didn't make it to ethiopa until they're beliefs were well formed. ethiopa is where the original 10 commandment are now.
the original christianity was nostic. it was a group of bishops that decided the bible was needed because christianity was a little different in different locations. the bible was to unite the different sects and give the religion a "handbook" so to speak; as the coran is to the jewish faith. the bishops decided what went into it and what was taboo. thus the nostic aspect was lost.
this is fact proven by science. science and religion are the same. both seek the truth and question the world around us. science has proven the scriptures correct most of the time. the discovery of the dead sea scrolls; the finding of babylon and troy; and other discoveries.
any questions?
Yeah, I have questions. First of all is any of this meant to address my point? Because it doesn't. Second question, where are you getting this. It is at best outside of the sholarly accepted data. It is without questions coming from the fringes of acadademia. It all sounds a bit Dan Brownish to me.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Well what are they??? What are the sentences? Can you type them out for us?
i'll try to get to it. i've got a massive order to be delivered by friday and keeping up with this thread is delaying me enough right now. my source is original scriptures discovered and translated. and common sense. what could be written on a stone tablet (before moses broke them; then there was 2)?
also; if the bible is infallable; where's the scriptures according to mary? mary was Jesus's closest disciple. an original copy was discovered recently so we now know they exist.
Yeah, I have questions. First of all is any of this meant to address my point? Because it doesn't. Second question, where are you getting this. It is at best outside of the sholarly accepted data. It is without questions coming from the fringes of acadademia. It all sounds a bit Dan Brownish to me.
i studied to be a jesuit priest for 4 years. what was your point? as i mentioned earlier; i'm giving information from original documents discovered and authenticated by scientific examination.
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Women were more obedient in those days, and loyal to their husbands overall.
Also, in general, anyone that would openly solicit and seduce their friends (i.e neighbors) wife for sex is a right rotten rat bastard.
And a loser...
but what if your neighbour is sleeping wth your wife. is sleeping with his wife allowed then?
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Ronaldus Magnus
# Thou shalt not make any graven image out of any substances which cannot be recycled.
# Thou shalt not take the name of liberals in criticism, including feminists, racial minorities, or any person who thinks he is a victim of America.
# Remember the anniversaries of Roe vs Wade and Anita Hill's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and keep them holy.
# Honor thy mother. If she is dysfunctional, it is thy father's fault.
# Thou shalt not kill. With these exceptions: life forms under the second trimester, and those opting for medically assisted suicides.
# Thou shalt not commit adultery. Unless thou aspirest to high political office, useth a condom, or cannot help it.
# Thou shalt not steal. Unless thou art disadvantaged or upset with a jury verdict.
# Thou shalt not bear false witness. Unless thou art discussing the history of the 1980's, art campaigning, or can afford good legal counsel in the event that thou art discovered.
# Thou shalt not covet. Unless thou art the victim of gender-related oppression or institutional racism, or art still angry with Reagan's tax cuts.
# Always hide the real truth about thyself.
# Never admit who or what thou really art when campaigning for office.
# Always blame someone else for what thou dost - even so far as to blame the entire society.
# Thou shalt oppose all punishment - except when conservative Republicans or religious right people criticize thee.
Ronaldus Magnus
like they say...2 wrongs a right don't make
the 10 commandment i know are 10 simple sentences. you said it yourself that your's are from the bible; a book written hundreds of years AFTER Jesus; BY MAN. God never ordered a book written. man did. many things in the bible were "enhanced" for better reading. and many scriptures were destroyed because those men didn't agree with the written word. and these are the christians who wind God up on sunday and forget him the rest of the week.
PS: i've farmed for years and cows have to be milked twice a day. you can't turn them off on the sabbath. they must be fed every day too. during that time most were farmers so that doesn't make any sense.
they say an awful lot, don't they.
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Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
a few thousand years of trial and error is a lot of they
a few thousand years of trial and error and a whole load of bullshit.
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The earliest accepted scholarly dating of the gospels, even in skeptical circles, is Mark in the 70's AD.
Now, If we look at the NT book of acts, which was written by Luke, we can bring a few things to light. A central character in the book of Acts is Paul, who was still alive and under some kind of arrest when the book ends. This indicates that Acts was written before Paul died, which means Acts can be no later than about AD 62. Acts was part two in a series written by Luke, Part one, of course, was his gospel which means it was earlier yet. We also know that the Gospel of Luke incorporates parts of the Gospel of Mark which places Mark, at least a little, earlier. That means we can logically place Mark about AD 55-60, and, since Christ was crucifierd apx. AD 33, that leaves us a maximum gap of, maybe, 25 years! Well within the lifespan of eyewitnesses both friendly and hostile.
Lets stop with the "hundreds of years" nonsense. It is crap, and completely unsupported by true scholarly research and academia.
and even more importantly, if he/she is dismissing the bible as a source....what exactly IS his/her source for these commandments? also too - the very first post clearly states that the 10 commandments in the form presented, are accepted by jews and christians alike, and as tybird kindly pointed out, the 10 commandments are present in the old testament, taken from the jewish torah.
obviously, onelongsong is focusing on the sunday school version of the commandments, which i admit i always have as well. but the source material is what it is...and is not a simplified form. no matter what the source, they all are going to be written by man b/c i don't think anyone has possession of the stone tablets given to moses, so always a degree away from true believers consider the real source, God.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
first; i believe in the scriptures but the bible is not the pure scriptures. the wording has been changed several times and words that were translated do not depict the actual text. for example; Christ was born april 17th; 6 B.C. this was proven by science. the 6 A.D. edition of the bible is the only version where in the apostles creed it says Jesus decended into hell. so even prayers are different from version to version. if you want to find pure chrisianity you must look to ethiopa. when the reforms of the religion were taking effect; the new teachings didn't make it to ethiopa until they're beliefs were well formed. ethiopa is where the original 10 commandment are now.
the original christianity was nostic. it was a group of bishops that decided the bible was needed because christianity was a little different in different locations. the bible was to unite the different sects and give the religion a "handbook" so to speak; as the coran is to the jewish faith. the bishops decided what went into it and what was taboo. thus the nostic aspect was lost.
this is fact proven by science. science and religion are the same. both seek the truth and question the world around us. science has proven the scriptures correct most of the time. the discovery of the dead sea scrolls; the finding of babylon and troy; and other discoveries.
any questions?
yes.
what is the source of 'your' ten commandments and what exactly are they?
otherwise, all the rest is kinda pointless. you disagree with those presented, but w/o presenting any other source or list...doesn't give much to discuss.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Yeah, I have questions. First of all is any of this meant to address my point? Because it doesn't. Second question, where are you getting this. It is at best outside of the sholarly accepted data. It is without questions coming from the fringes of acadademia. It all sounds a bit Dan Brownish to me.
i'll try to get to it. i've got a massive order to be delivered by friday and keeping up with this thread is delaying me enough right now. my source is original scriptures discovered and translated. and common sense. what could be written on a stone tablet (before moses broke them; then there was 2)?
also; if the bible is infallable; where's the scriptures according to mary? mary was Jesus's closest disciple. an original copy was discovered recently so we now know they exist.
i studied to be a jesuit priest for 4 years. what was your point? as i mentioned earlier; i'm giving information from original documents discovered and authenticated by scientific examination.