Conservatives and the GOP are ALL about the "Free Market"...
my2hands
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until it is about to collapse... then their answer is always the same, corporate welfare... if you believe in the "free market" as much as you profess to, then you would let it sink or swim...
what a fucking joke these GOP "conservatives" are... they are nothing but corporate whore frauds that convince 60 million people to vote for them based on Rifles and Abortion... they are about as far removed from being conservative as politically possible... so could we stop with this conservative movement bullshit already, it is really starting to get on my nerves
i mean seriously folks
what a fucking joke these GOP "conservatives" are... they are nothing but corporate whore frauds that convince 60 million people to vote for them based on Rifles and Abortion... they are about as far removed from being conservative as politically possible... so could we stop with this conservative movement bullshit already, it is really starting to get on my nerves
i mean seriously folks
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The reality is that noone in the government is going to SERIOUSLY oppose a bailout.
All they will do is blow smoke about XXX billion vs XXX+1 billion dollars or some bullshit.
Don't kid yourself.
This is NOT a partisan issue.
This is about a broken system run by people very much UNLIKE you or me.
And they are on BOTH sides of the aisle.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"Sec. 8. Review.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
WTF????
No oversight? We're just supposed to "trust" them? I don't think so. This is Dubya bailing out his rich GOP buddies with no accountability for ripping off the US taxpayers. Wow.
There NEEDS to be transparancy in this... it is taxpayer money. We need to see exactly WHAT they are doing so we can PROSECUTE if any criminal acts with public money takes place.
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh shit....someone bedsides me actually gets it...hallelujah...
there is hope after all
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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thats right...
total immunity from oversight and review... the same exact thing that got us into this problem in the first place
another Bush/GOP heist...
honestly, i just laugh at all this stuff now. we voted them in, and now we get what we deserve... i am still shocked at the 2004 election
yeah, you and drifting are the only guys that get it :rolleyes:
i guess you two dont understand a GOP dominated congress and executive branch for 8 years and all of the appointed positions because of it...
this whole meltdown goes back to Bush's "Ownership society" and all the bullshit de-regualtion forced through by these cocksuckers, and all the reduction of oversight orchestrated and ordered by this administration the last 8 years...
I agree. Our government is not nearly conservative enough fiscally for me and I totally oppose these bailouts.
But....are you saying that you also oppose the bailouts or are you just calling them out for being hypocritical?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
And you think Obama (aka the democrats) are going to swoop in and correct it right?
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one any time soon.
feel free to though...it's a democracy.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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i am a fan of governemnt regualtion and oversight of utilities... and i am a fan of regualtion and oversight of the financial system... so yes i think Obama and the democratic party is a step in the right direction on this matter
anything is better then this crony controlled GOP and Bush administration... i think it is an obvious wise move to remove them at this point
and i am NOT a fan of "FALSE SOLUTIONS" which is what i bet money you are going to get with your beloved "democrats".
That is MY point.
The talk is just fine (well, SOME of it, anyhow), i just think you'd have to be delusional to really believe that any mainstream ESTABLISHMENT political part and its nominated representative is going to put the interests of the masses over the interests of the elite who run this country ... ESPECIALLY one who got 5 of his top 7 campaign contributions from the very Wall Street firms which he claims to oppose.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i was WAITING for you to show up, man.
You are one of the (if not THE) last non-partisan LEVEL HEADED dudes in this place. And whether we agree or not, i ALWAYS respect what you post.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
CNN poll: GOP takes brunt of blame for economy; Obama gains
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans blame Republicans over Democrats for the financial crisis that has swept across the country the past few weeks, a new national poll suggests.
Sen. Barack Obama greets supporters during a rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on Monday.
1 of 2 That may be contributing to better poll numbers for Sen. Barack Obama against Sen. John McCain in the race for the White House.
In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey out Monday afternoon, 47 percent of registered voters questioned said Republicans are more responsible for the problems currently facing financial institutions and the stock market; only 24 percent said Democrats are more responsible.
Twenty percent blame both parties equally and 8 percent say neither party is to blame.
The poll also indicates more Americans think Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, would do a better job handling an economic crisis than McCain, the Republican presidential nominee. Watch Obama blast McCain on the economy »
Forty-nine percent of those questioned said Obama, D-Illinois, would display good judgment in an economic crisis, six points higher than McCain, R-Arizona.
And Obama has a 10-point lead over McCain when it comes to who respondents think would better handle the economy overall.
These numbers seem to be affecting the battle for the presidency. Fifty-one percent of registered voters now say they will back Obama, five points ahead of McCain, at 46 percent.
McCain and Obama were tied at 48 percent apiece in the previous CNN/Opinion Research survey conducted September 5-7.
Obama's advantage, while growing, is still within the poll's sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
Where did Obama make his gains?
"In two core McCain constituencies: men, who now narrowly favor Obama, and seniors, who have also flipped from McCain to Obama," said Bill Schneider, a CNN senior political analyst.
When including people most likely to vote, the results are pretty much the same. Among likely voters, Obama has a four-point lead, 51 percent to 47 percent. Watch McCain blast Obama for not having a plan »
A CNN Poll of Polls calculated Monday also shows Obama leading McCain -- 49 percent to 44 percent.
"The economy has always been considered John McCain's Achilles' heel, and the CNN Poll of Polls started to show an Obama edge in the middle of last week -- just as the financial crisis began to hit home for many Americans," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
The poll also expands to include third-party candidates. When included in the results, independent Ralph Nader has the support of 4 percent of those polled, with Libertarian candidate Bob Barr and Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney each at 1 percent. Also, Obama has the backing of 48 percent of likely voters, three points ahead of McCain's 45 percent.
A couple of other factors in the survey appear to contribute to Obama's slight rise and McCain's slight drop in the polls. Fifty-three percent of those questioned say McCain, if elected, will mostly carry out the policies of President Bush, who remains extremely unpopular with most Americans. Bush's disapproval rating is up three points from the previous CNN/Opinion Research poll. Watch Obama's ad tying McCain to Bush »
The survey also indicates Obama has recaptured the "change" factor. Just after the Republican convention, Obama's lead had shrunk to eight points when voters were asked which candidate would be more likely to bring change. His lead is up to 14 points in the new poll.
The margin of error on that question is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.
Another factor could be McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Thirty-five percent of those questioned have an unfavorable opinion of her, up 8 points from a previous survey. And two-thirds believe she and her husband should testify in the Alaska investigation into the firing of a state official.
"Change has always been Obama's strong suit, but McCain and Palin clearly made inroads into that issue during the GOP convention," Holland said. "Palin, in particular, was seen as an agent of change when she made her first appearance on the national stage. That may be changing now."
The poll also sheds more light on how Americans feel about the financial crisis. Twenty-two percent said they are "frightened" by the crisis, while two-thirds said they are "concerned." Eleven percent said they are "not worried."
Most Americans think the programs to deal with the financial crisis currently being worked on by Congress and the Bush administration will be unfair to U.S. taxpayers, but they think those programs will help the economy.
Six in 10 think the federal government should step in and address the financial crisis, and 37 percent say the government should stay out. But when it comes to last week's bailouts, support slips to 55 percent. Given concerns about how future programs will affect taxpayers, it's conceivable that public support for the new government plans could be even lower.
The survey comes out just four days before McCain and Obama face off in the first of three presidential debates. Will the debates make a difference? Probably, since the poll finds that 14 percent of Americans say they haven't made up their minds yet.
The first debate, scheduled for Friday in Oxford, Mississippi, will focus on foreign policy, a topic that may play into what some registered voters see as a strength for McCain. The poll finds 54 percent of them believe McCain would display better judgment in an international crisis; 42 percent believe Obama would.
The margin of error on that question is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.
Conducted Friday through Sunday, the CNN/Opinion Research poll questioned 1020 Americans including 909 registered voters and 697 likely voters
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/22/cnn.poll/index.html