A dedication to Ron Paul

my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
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  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    i guess you'll be happy with yet another globalist war monger running the show again.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    DPrival78 wrote:
    i guess you'll be happy with yet another globalist war monger running the show again.


    hahaha... i acknowledge the ron paul newsletters as the racist bigoted propaganda that they are and dont buy his "i didnt ever read them and didnt know what was being printed and distributed regularly under my name" lame ass excuse...


    and now i suppurt globalist war monger's



    thanks for the laugh...



    If these letters were George W Bush's or Mitt Romneys you guys would have a field day... as would I...




    no really, i have a really nice bridge for sale... i will give it to you for a song... peanuts even... ;)
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    well no one's perfect of course, and i'll admit that this whole newsletter is very ugly. but if you look at paul's history in public office, at his voting record, at speeches he's made or article's he's written, and just at the principles he's advocated consistently for decades, there isn't one shred of evidence in any of that showing he's a racist. libertarians by design aren't racist, and he's been one his whole life.

    as a paul supporter, the newsletter thing is confusing and a bit of a kick in the gut. but based on paul's past, i'm willing to hold off complete judgement on the whole thing, regarding his involvement or non-involvement in these letters.

    i'd like a more complete explanation of the whole thing, but ron's still my guy. especially after housing everyone at the debate tonight.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • DPrival78 wrote:
    well no one's perfect of course, and i'll admit that this whole newsletter is very ugly. but if you look at paul's history in public office, at his voting record, at speeches he's made or article's he's written, and just at the principles he's advocated consistently for decades, there isn't one shred of evidence in any of that showing he's a racist. libertarians by design aren't racist, and he's been one his whole life.

    as a paul supporter, the newsletter thing is confusing and a bit of a kick in the gut. but based on paul's past, i'm willing to hold off complete judgement on the whole thing, regarding his involvement or non-involvement in these letters.

    i'd like a more complete explanation of the whole thing, but ron's still my guy. especially after housing everyone at the debate tonight.

    amen.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    DPrival78 wrote:
    i guess you'll be happy with yet another globalist war monger running the show again.

    Because everyone else other than Ron Paul is a war monger. :rolleyes:



    RP was killing me on cnn with Wolf Blitzer. "i love the Blacks!" Sheesh.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    cornnifer wrote:
    Because everyone else other than Ron Paul is a war monger. :rolleyes:

    ok sorry, i left out gravel and kucinich. there are no other anti-war candidates, unless i'm forgetting someone else.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    my2hands wrote:


    i may be banned for this but i am compelled to call you the fucking idiot that you so obviously are.

    Ron Paul is NOT a racist!!! stop trying to fling the ONE mud ball (all you idiots can come up with) on his name.this is the ONLY guy who really cares about this country.

    when you're in a soup line or gulag or bleeding to death in some foreign country your last moments will be spent in deep regret for allowing yourself to be a manipulated,dis-informed,dumbed down fucking buffoon.

    but till then do me a favor , SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    DPrival78 wrote:
    ok sorry, i left out gravel and kucinich. there are no other anti-war candidates, unless i'm forgetting someone else.

    Please.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JamMastaE wrote:
    i may be banned for this but i am compelled to call you the fucking idiot that you so obviously are.

    Ron Paul is NOT a racist!!! stop trying to fling the ONE mud ball (all you idiots can come up with) on his name.this is the ONLY guy who really cares about this country.

    when you're in a soup line or gulag or bleeding to death in some foreign country your last moments will be spent in deep regret for allowing yourself to be a manipulated,dis-informed,dumbed down fucking buffoon.

    but till then do me a favor , SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BedWetterB kickin out the dope rhymes. enjoy your ban. you need it. this place is too much for you. I feel like your head is going to explode just by reading your posts. get back in the studio and work on your album.
  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jlew24asu wrote:
    this place is too much for you.

    no, i'm too much for this place.sorry to spoil your illusions with the truth,everyone go back to sleep now.
    "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain


    "I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
    Emiliano Zapata
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    cornnifer wrote:
    Please.

    is that all you've got?

    please don't tell me you think obama or hillary are anti-war..
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DPrival78 wrote:
    is that all you've got?

    please don't tell me you think obama or hillary are anti-war..

    they are pro American national security. that doesnt equal pro war
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they are pro American national security. that doesnt equal pro war

    what does threatening iran and pakistan have to do with pro american national security?
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they are pro American national security. that doesnt equal pro war

    Ah we know who you are voting for.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    JamMastaE wrote:
    i may be banned for this but i am compelled to call you the fucking idiot that you so obviously are.

    Ron Paul is NOT a racist!!! stop trying to fling the ONE mud ball (all you idiots can come up with) on his name.this is the ONLY guy who really cares about this country.

    when you're in a soup line or gulag or bleeding to death in some foreign country your last moments will be spent in deep regret for allowing yourself to be a manipulated,dis-informed,dumbed down fucking buffoon.

    but till then do me a favor , SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    hahahahaha...

    is that the best you got? i dont think that little foolish blurb deserves a ban...

    re-read it... then you might realize how foolish it sounds...


    dont blame me, i didnt write the newsletter...


    if you continue to deny these newsletters... then perhaps you should take your own advice and "go back to sleep"


    ron paul could burn a cross on CNN and you mofo's would still swear he was the libertarian jesus
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    DPrival78 wrote:
    well no one's perfect of course, and i'll admit that this whole newsletter is very ugly. but if you look at paul's history in public office, at his voting record, at speeches he's made or article's he's written, and just at the principles he's advocated consistently for decades, there isn't one shred of evidence in any of that showing he's a racist. libertarians by design aren't racist, and he's been one his whole life.

    as a paul supporter, the newsletter thing is confusing and a bit of a kick in the gut. but based on paul's past, i'm willing to hold off complete judgement on the whole thing, regarding his involvement or non-involvement in these letters.

    i'd like a more complete explanation of the whole thing, but ron's still my guy. especially after housing everyone at the debate tonight.


    cant shake your allegiance to this racist assghole... just becasue he is "your guy"


    it's funny... i had more faith in the Pual supporters... but when "their guy" gets caught with his pants down... they refuse to beleive it... anybody that continues to blindly support this guy and try to explain away these writings with HIS NAME ON THEM is just being foolish and viewing "their guy" with some real thick blinders on...


    and being a libertarian does not mean you CANNOT be a racist... thats just silly to suggest
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    my2hands wrote:
    it's funny... i had more faith in the Pual supporters... but when "their guy" gets caught with his pants down... they refuse to beleive it... anybody that continues to blindly support this guy and try to explain away these writings with HIS NAME ON THEM is just being foolish and viewing :their guy" with some real think blinders on...

    i said that the whole thing is confusing, and i'd like a more thorough explanation of it all. and again, if ron paul is indeed a racist, show me something else that backs that up. i've yet to see anything else out there from all his years in public life - including 10 terms in congress, which he had to get elected to - other than some 15 year old newsletters that he may or may not have been involved with. calling him a "racist asshole" is a little much, when there's little to back it up with.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Ah we know who you are voting for.

    actually I'm undecided. but you can take ron paul and kookynich off my list. I wont be voting for them.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    DPrival78 wrote:
    what does threatening iran and pakistan have to do with pro american national security?

    you have it backwards. it was Iran threatening a US ship. while I dont believe it was a very big deal, I would rather have a president you can recognize a potential fo then pretend we are friends with an Islamic extremist government.

    and when have we threatened pakistan?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    DPrival78 wrote:
    other than some 15 year old newsletters that he may or may not have been involved with.

    may or may not be involved with?

    hahahahaha...

    IT WAS HIS FUCKING NEWSLETTER
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    may or may not be involved with?

    hahahahaha...

    IT WAS HIS FUCKING NEWSLETTER

    hands we obviously dont agree on much but its funny to see these paul supporters defend him.

    what if bush had a similar newsletter? yikes.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    my2hands wrote:
    may or may not be involved with?

    hahahahaha...

    IT WAS HIS FUCKING NEWSLETTER

    I said this in another post, but I don't believe that Ron Paul is a pointy white hat klan member, BUT you guys expect people to vote for this guy for President of the United States when he can't even control a NEWSLETTER WITH HIS NAME ON IT .

    Sounds like a perfect candidate for President to me.

    As Gob would say, "Come on!!!"
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    my2hands wrote:
    may or may not be involved with?

    hahahahaha...

    IT WAS HIS FUCKING NEWSLETTER


    the question is the level of involvement. look, i understand that this junk went out under his name, and he bears at the very least some responsibility for it. it's very disappointing to me that his name is attached to it.

    if we do come to find out for sure that he had any hand in writing this stuff then obviously i'll have to consider to, for yet another election, not support a candidate for president. i'm holding out judgement here because most of paul's policies are ones that i feel very strongly about, and i think his message is one that needs to be heard. multi-national, corporate interests are driving this country into the ground, and more war and more spending and more enforcement of things like the patriot act are not going to save us, and yet all the other major candidates are proponents of all of those things.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what if bush had a similar newsletter? yikes.


    that would be a circus...

    but honestly, a Bush newsletter like this would only prove what we already know ;)
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    an article from the economist regarding the paul newsletter:

    The Rockwell files

    Posted by:
    Economist.com | WASHINGTON

    WOLF BLITZER today, speaking in gerund phrases, examining the Ron Paul newsletter controversy, interviewing the Republican presidential candidate, who claims not only that he had no hand in writing numerous racist and homophobic items that appeared under his name over a period of years, but that he does not know—or care—who did write them.

    Mr Paul is probably not himself a racist, and many of the sentiments he expresses in his CNN interview are admirable. It is equally plausible that the hateful items published in his newsletter, so different in style from the congressman's own speech and writing, are not his handiwork. But his protestations of ignorance, both about what was being disseminated on his behalf and who was responsible, are much harder to credit.

    While his statements sometimes leave the impression that Mr Paul simply licensed his name to people with whom he had little contact, there is much evidence to the contrary. The newsletters that appeared under his name were published by M&M Graphics and Advertising, a company run by Mr Paul's longtime congressional campaign manager Mark Elam—which Mr Elam himself confirms. And according to numerous veterans of the libertarian movement, it was an open secret during the late-80s and early-90s who was ghostwriting the portions of Mr Paul's newsletters not penned by the congressman himself: Lew Rockwell, founder of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and members of his staff, among them Jeffrey Tucker, now editorial vice president of the Institute.

    Mr Rockwell denied authorship to Jamie Kirchick, the reporter whose New Republic article published earlier this week reignited controversy over the newsletters. But both Mr Rockwell (who attacked the New Republic article on his site) and Mr Tucker refused to discuss the matter with Democracy in America. ("Look at Mises.org," Mr Tucker told me, "I'm willing to take any responsibility for anything up there, OK?") According to Wirkman Virkkala, formerly the managing editor of the libertarian monthly Liberty, the racist and survivalist elements that appeared in the newsletter were part of a deliberate "paleolibertarian" strategy, "a last gasp effort to try class hatred after the miserable showing of Ron Paul’s 1988 presidential effort." It is impossible now to prove individual authorship of any particular item in the newsletter, but it is equally impossible to believe that Mr Rockwell did not know of and approve what was going into the newsletter.

    This matters because, while Mr Paul may disavow the sentiments that were expressed under his name over the years, he has scarcely disavowed Mr Rockwell, who remains a friend and adviser. Mr Rockwell is one of the congressman's most vigorous online boosters, accompanied him to an appearance on The Tonight Show, and often publishes Mr Paul's writings on his Web site. Mr Paul now says the identity of his ghostwriter is of no importance. But if the person responsible for spreading venom under his name for many years remains a close associate, it suggests that Mr Paul is at least prepared to countenance pandering to racists, however respectable his own views. The candidate owes his supporters a far more complete explanation than he has thus far provided.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    DPrival78 wrote:
    ok sorry, i left out gravel and kucinich. there are no other anti-war candidates, unless i'm forgetting someone else.
    I am not a member of the Ron Paul Posse, but this is true. After you corrected yourself on Gravel and Kucinich, there are no other anti-war candidats. They might not be of the same degree of war mongerism as W, but they are not anti-war.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
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