N.J. bans death penalty

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edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
N.J. bans death penalty By TOM HESTER Jr., Associated Press Writer
43 minutes ago



Gov. Jon S. Corzine signed into law Monday a measure that abolishes the death penalty, making New Jersey the first state in more than four decades to reject capital punishment.

The bill, approved last week by the state's Assembly and Senate, replaces the death sentence with life in prison without parole.

"This is a day of progress for us and for the millions of people across our nation and around the globe who reject the death penalty as a moral or practical response to the grievous, even heinous, crime of murder," Corzine said.

The measure spares eight men on the state's death row. On Sunday, Corzine signed orders commuting the sentences of those eight to life in prison without parole.

Among the eight spared is Jesse Timmendequas, a sex offender who murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka in 1994. The case inspired Megan's Law, which requires law enforcement agencies to notify the public about convicted sex offenders living in their communities.

New Jersey reinstated the death penalty in 1982 — six years after the U.S. Supreme Court allowed states to resume executions — but it hasn't executed anyone since 1963.

The state's move is being hailed across the world as a historic victory against capital punishment. Rome plans to shine golden light on the Colosseum in support. Once the arena for deadly gladiator combat and executions, the Colosseum is now a symbol of the fight against the death penalty.

"The rest of America, and for that matter the entire world, is watching what we are doing here today," said Assemblyman Wilfredo Caraballo, a Democrat. "New Jersey is setting a precedent that I'm confident other states will follow."

The bill passed the Legislature largely along party lines, with controlling Democrats supporting the abolition and minority Republicans opposed. Republicans had sought to retain the death penalty for those who murder law enforcement officials, rape and murder children, and terrorists, but Democrats rejected that.

"It's simply a specious argument to say that, somehow, after six millennia of recorded history, the punishment no longer fits the crime," said Assemblyman Joseph Malone, a Republican.

Members of victims' families fought against the law.

"I will never forget how I've been abused by a state and a governor that was supposed to protect the innocent and enforce the laws," said Marilyn Flax, whose husband Irving was abducted and murdered in 1989 by death row inmate John Martini Sr.

The last states to eliminate the death penalty were Iowa and West Virginia in 1965, according to the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty.

The nation has executed 1,099 people since the U.S. Supreme Court reauthorized the death penalty in 1976. In 1999, 98 people were executed, the most since 1976; last year 53 people were executed, the lowest since 1996.

Other states have considered abolishing the death penalty recently, but none has advanced as far as New Jersey.

The nation's last execution was Sept. 25 in Texas. Since then, executions have been delayed pending a U.S. Supreme Court decision on whether execution through lethal injection violates the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    thank you to my friendly neighbors to the immediate north/east...


    progress is possible... thanks for taking the lead on this one



    New Jersey gets a bad rep for bad drivers, exit number hometowns and such... but i have met some BEAUTIFUL people from the Garden State :D
  • Cool news. Well done, NJ...here's to hoping that other states follow their lead.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    my2hands wrote:
    New Jersey gets a bad rep for bad drivers

    The bad drivers in NJ are usually New Yorkers passing through the state. New Jersey has some of the best drivers. Our insurance premiums are so god damn high that we are too damn scared to get into an accident.

    I'm damn proud of my state for taking this step. The death penalty is useless as it does not deter crime and ends up costing the tax payers more money than just incarcirating a criminal for life.
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  • I'm so excited about this that I think I'll go on a murderous rampage to celebrate!

    I kid, I kid.

    :D

    In all seriousness, this makes me proud. I hope other states will follow.
  • Among the eight men whose sentences were commuted to life in prison is Jesse Timmendequas, 46, who was sentenced to death in June 1997 for the rape and muder of Megan Kanka -- the 1994 crime that inspired "Megan's Law". Prosecutors said Timmendequas lured Megan to his home by saying he wanted to show her a puppy. He then raped her, beat her and strangled her with a belt. A day later, he led police to her body.

    "Megan's Law," introduced after her death, requires that authorities notify neighbors when a sex offender moves into an area. Timmendequas had twice been convicted of sex crimes -- on 5- and 7-year-olds -- before he murdered Megan.

    http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/child_sex_offenders/4.html


    ... would have been nice if they offed this fvcker first.
    I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Among the eight men whose sentences were commuted to life in prison is Jesse Timmendequas, 46, who was sentenced to death in June 1997 for the rape and muder of Megan Kanka -- the 1994 crime that inspired "Megan's Law". Prosecutors said Timmendequas lured Megan to his home by saying he wanted to show her a puppy. He then raped her, beat her and strangled her with a belt. A day later, he led police to her body.

    "Megan's Law," introduced after her death, requires that authorities notify neighbors when a sex offender moves into an area. Timmendequas had twice been convicted of sex crimes -- on 5- and 7-year-olds -- before he murdered Megan.

    http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/child_sex_offenders/4.html


    ... would have been nice if they offed this fvcker first.

    A more suitable punishment would be to place him in general population.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Yep, gotta love NJ for banning a law it hasn't enforced since 1963 and that the state supreme court had already banned in 2004. I'm sure there aren't any more important issues going on right now in the state that the legislature had to have a vote to ban this.

    It's a nice gesture, but overall a waste of tax payer money.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13 wrote:

    It's a nice gesture, but overall a waste of tax payer money.

    That sums up my Jersey pretty well.
    I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mammasan wrote:
    A more suitable punishment would be to place him in general population.

    agreed
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    Solat13 wrote:
    It's a nice gesture, but overall a waste of tax payer money.



    Oh I am sure we are going to be in for a lot more waste in the coming year... Gotta love Jersey
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I just read that by commuting the sentences that the 8 who were previously on death row have now been sentenced to life without parole. The problem is that this new sentence could possibly be illegal and that these 8 may in fact have to eligible for life sentences with parole now.

    This is due to the legal standard of ex post facto, which bars people from being punished under laws that didn't exist when they committed an act.

    So instead of letting these 8 people just sit in jail for the rest of their lives with no hope of parole and no chance of being executed because the state supreme court had already put a stop to the death penalty 2004. (You could still be sentenced to death in NJ, but the state could not go through with the execution.) The state has now opened the door that these murderers could possibly be paroled.

    Good job there NJ.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    I just read that by commuting the sentences that the 8 who were previously on death row have now been sentenced to life without parole. The problem is that this new sentence could possibly be illegal and that these 8 may in fact have to eligible for life sentences with parole now.

    This is due to the legal standard of ex post facto, which bars people from being punished under laws that didn't exist when they committed an act.

    So instead of letting these 8 people just sit in jail for the rest of their lives with no hope of parole and no chance of being executed because the state supreme court had already put a stop to the death penalty 2004. (You could still be sentenced to death in NJ, but the state could not go through with the execution.) The state has now opened the door that these murderers could possibly be paroled.

    Good job there NJ.

    that will never happen

    nice try good buddy... progress is happening... enjoy it :D
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    that will never happen

    nice try good buddy... progress is happening... enjoy it :D

    How is it progress? The death penalty hasn't been enforced in NJ since 1963. How about dealing with some issues that actually affect the present. What's next Congress wasting tax payer money trying to decide whether to censure Turkey for a genocide that happened over a hundred years ago? Oh wait that did happen.

    I think that the governor and state assembly of NJ would have been better served trying to deal with the issue of property taxes and the huge corruption scandals Corzine and the McGreevy had had instead of grandstanding and making a spectacle out of non issue, but that's what Dems do.

    I just love the fact that Corzine ran as governor on a policy of lowering property taxes for the state and often stated during his campaign that he would not raise taxes and then all of 8 days after being sworn in announces one of the largest tax increases the state of NJ has had in decades.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Im pretty much pro- death penalty, but if they werent going to use the damn thing anyways, might as well ban it.
  • Congrats NJ!
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    How is it progress? The death penalty hasn't been enforced in NJ since 1963. How about dealing with some issues that actually affect the present. What's next Congress wasting tax payer money trying to decide whether to censure Turkey for a genocide that happened over a hundred years ago? Oh wait that did happen.

    I think that the governor and state assembly of NJ would have been better served trying to deal with the issue of property taxes and the huge corruption scandals Corzine and the McGreevy had had instead of grandstanding and making a spectacle out of non issue, but that's what Dems do.

    I just love the fact that Corzine ran as governor on a policy of lowering property taxes for the state and often stated during his campaign that he would not raise taxes and then all of 8 days after being sworn in announces one of the largest tax increases the state of NJ has had in decades.


    it seems to me that you are against anything a "democrat" or "democrats" do...

    i could be wrong... but thats how i have seen it...

    a state abloshing the death penatly is progress. maybe not to you, but to me it is major progress. it doesnt matter if it hasnt been used (thank god it hasnt), it is the fact that the State of New Jersey has banned it and passed that into law that counts. not how many times it was used. and as i said. i hope they can handle more then 1 issue at a time.

    i am looking at the macro picture on this one good buddy... any state officially banning the death penalty is a great thing IMO
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Im pretty much pro- death penalty,

    if i may ask...

    why is that?
  • my2hands wrote:
    if i may ask...

    why is that?


    The earth has enough fuckfaces.
    If good people can get killed on any given day... why should the assholes get a chance to live?
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    The earth has enough fuckfaces.
    If good people can get killed on any given day... why should the assholes get a chance to live?
    because good people get framed by bad people every day....do you never know if someone is guilty....and its cheaper to keep them alive....
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  • The earth has enough fuckfaces.
    If good people can get killed on any given day... why should the assholes get a chance to live?

    How do you feel about the US being the only western country still using the death penalty? Doesn't it say something when every other modernised country is the world has banned it?
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  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    callen wrote:
    because good people get framed by bad people every day....do you never know if someone is guilty....and its cheaper to keep them alive....

    ok, so some animal that goes around raping, torturing and killing 5 year old boys and girls should be kept alive because it is "cheaper?"

    i'd like you to explain that logic to the parents of such victims.
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    ok, so some animal that goes around raping, torturing and killing 5 year old boys and girls should be kept alive because it is "cheaper?"

    i'd like you to explain that logic to the parents of such victims.

    Does killing the sickfuck really help the parents grieve any easier?

    the death penalty is useless and it doesn't solve anything.

    a life sentence without parole would be just fine. the sicko will rot the rest of his miserable life getting tortured by other inmates is more cruel than just killing him.

    although i think the prison condition should be as cruel as possible for rapists, pedos, and murderers. i.e. just strip them away of human contact and society, not even among prisoners. no view of the outside world.
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  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    LongRd. wrote:
    Does killing the sickfuck really help the parents grieve any easier?



    honestly? i think it does. those parents now have a certain piece of mind, and can go to bed every night knowing the asshole responsible for their heinous crime is no longer walking the earth.

    criminals like that, go to jail, adapt and accept their new lifestyle and live their life. watch cable TV and eat 3 warm meals a day.

    personally? i'd rather the fucker rot in the ground.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    honestly? i think it does. those parents now have a certain piece of mind, and can go to bed every night knowing the asshole responsible for their heinous crime is no longer walking the earth.

    criminals like that, go to jail, adapt and accept their new lifestyle and live their life. watch cable TV and eat 3 warm meals a day.

    personally? i'd rather the fucker rot in the ground.

    My best friend's brother was murdered 3 summers ago. He was shot in the back with a crossbow in his sleep and then multiple times while running away and then hacked to death with a machete after he couldn't stand anymore by his "friend" after my friend's brother told him he should get off drugs because he had a baby coming.

    I know at least for my friend and his parents every Christmas and birthday that passes it hurts them more and more that their son/brother is no longer with them while his killer is living relatively comfortably in a cell, watches tv, goes to the gym and eats three meals a day while they pay part of the tab through their taxes.

    I'm sorry but because of that I'm pro death penalty and probably always will be.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • ah. jeez.

    I am a filthy animal because i dont mind seeing assholes get put to death.
    Im going to burn in hell, blah blah blah. I know. I get it. you're not going to change my mind.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    ok, so some animal that goes around raping, torturing and killing 5 year old boys and girls should be kept alive because it is "cheaper?"

    i'd like you to explain that logic to the parents of such victims.
    the cheaper was directed at the typical death penalty proponent that's concerned about they're tax dollars....I don't put a price on life....now the irony of wanting to kill a killer...thats just funny....
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    ah. jeez.

    I am a filthy animal because i dont mind seeing assholes get put to death.
    Im going to burn in hell, blah blah blah. I know. I get it. you're not going to change my mind.
    one day you'll get it.
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  • callen wrote:
    one day you'll get it.


    Ok, you condescending ass, youve reeled me in. Ill "get" what? Your viewpoint? Because you look at things in a different way, you are somehow better than I am, or of a higher mind? When i get older and wiser ill see things your way?

    Please, enlighten me and raise me out of my heathen ways.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I don't think that there is a right oor wrong answer when it comes to this issue. Everyone has good points. Trust me when I hear that some animal raped and butchered a poor child the first think that comes to mind is seeing that bastard strapped to the rack or put into an iron maiden, screw the lethal injection. Then I think is killing that beast going to bring that child back or ease the parents suffering, probably not. So much more of our tax dollars are spent trying to kill these criminals and then their is the probablity that an innocent person could be found guilty. Prison is no walk in the park as some people portray it to be. Yes they do get fed three meals a day and have other luxuries but they are confined to a living space with the worst that society has to offer. It is a fucking jungle in there make no mistake about it.
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