Atlantic City Casino's Shut down

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  • Solat13 wrote:
    Except in this case, both the Gov and the majority of the state legislature are Dems.

    Elected officials in both parties are scared shitless of tax increases, especially in election years.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • Solat13Solat13 PhiladelphiaPosts: 6,994
    my2hands wrote:
    i knew that would get ya :D

    I'm just upset my ex has to work for the DEP (Department of Environmental Protection) without pay right now. That and I was planning an A.C. trip this weekend.

    But seriously, this power play by the governor is not only making the state, the legislature, and himself look bad, but it's really hurting a lot of the residents.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
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    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13Solat13 PhiladelphiaPosts: 6,994
    Elected officials in both parties are scared shitless of tax increases, especially in election years.

    Well considering New Jersey elections are held in odd numbered years, then this standstill could last a while.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13 wrote:
    Well considering New Jersey elections are held in odd numbered years, then this standstill could last a while.

    D'oh! My bad.

    In Illinois, we have a Democrat governor, and he has frequent clashes with Democrat members of the legislature, but to be fair, he seems to be good at pissing off just about everybody he deals with.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm just upset my ex has to work for the DEP (Department of Environmental Protection) without pay right now. That and I was planning an A.C. trip this weekend.

    But seriously, this power play by the governor is not only making the state, the legislature, and himself look bad, but it's really hurting a lot of the residents.

    I see it more as the ineptitute of the legislature than a powerplay by the governor. Is he supposed to let the state continue to go broke while a bunch of selfish politicians squabble like hens in a coup without making any strides.
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  • Solat13Solat13 PhiladelphiaPosts: 6,994
    mammasan wrote:
    I see it more as the ineptitute of the legislature than a powerplay by the governor. Is he supposed to let the state continue to go broke while a bunch of selfish politicians squabble like hens in a coup without making any strides.

    You raise a very good point. I just don't follow Jersey politics as much since I moved out of there, but there has been a lot of poor leadership and poor decision making in the state for the last 15-20 years.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    Solat13 wrote:
    but it's really hurting a lot of the residents.


    thats the only thing i am concerned with...i could care less about the politicians futures
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    You raise a very good point. I just don't follow Jersey politics as much since I moved out of there, but there has been a lot of poor leadership and poor decision making in the state for the last 15-20 years.

    Poor leadership and decision making, that is an understatment. I both love and hate this state. I love it for everything it has to offer and hate it because of the long track record of shitty, no correction god awfull, leadership and decision making.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JenInTheBxJenInTheBx Posts: 293
    7% really doesn't sound that bad... New York's sales tax is at 8.75% I believe. I would think that the governor shutting down the state government would hurt his chances at re-election more than a 1% sales tax increase.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    JenInTheBx wrote:
    7% really doesn't sound that bad... New York's sales tax is at 8.75% I believe. I would think that the governor shutting down the state government would hurt his chances at re-election more than a 1% sales tax increase.

    He didn't shut down the government. New Jersey's Constitutions states that if a budget is not agreed upon by July 1st than the government must shut down. He actually prolonged the shut down of the casinos and state parks and beach so that they could remain open for the holiday weekend.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,485
    JenInTheBx wrote:
    7% really doesn't sound that bad... New York's sales tax is at 8.75% I believe. I would think that the governor shutting down the state government would hurt his chances at re-election more than a 1% sales tax increase.

    Just 1%. Doesn't sound too bad. Right?

    Or, you could look at it as an additional 1% on top of the 3rd most onerous state tax burden in the nation and say "enough is enough". Don't try to "fix" the problem by throwing more money at it. Figure out why you can't make ends meet with an already bloated tax requirement.

    Here's a historical look at the state's tax burden. A pretty big pop in 1981 put it in the top 3 - 5 where it has very consistently remained. http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/469.html
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,452
    Of course a Dem has to screw stuff up...Corzine your ass is grass
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    miller8966 wrote:
    Of course a Dem has to screw stuff up...Corzine your ass is grass


    any non-partisan feed back? or have you drank all the kool-aid ;)
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    Just 1%. Doesn't sound too bad. Right?

    Or, you could look at it as an additional 1% on top of the 3rd most onerous state tax burden in the nation and say "enough is enough". Don't try to "fix" the problem by throwing more money at it. Figure out why you can't make ends meet with an already bloated tax requirement.

    Here's a historical look at the state's tax burden. A pretty big pop in 1981 put it in the top 3 - 5 where it has very consistently remained. http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/469.html

    And if you notice our tax burden is so high not because of the state taxes but because of the percentage of the federal tax we carry. Maybe New Jerseyians should be complaining about how much we put in to the federal couffers compared to how much we get back.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    Of course a Dem has to screw stuff up...Corzine your ass is grass

    The republicans in the legislature failed to come up with a budget as well so I guess their ass is grass as well.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,485
    mammasan wrote:
    And if you notice our tax burden is so high not because of the state taxes but because of the percentage of the federal tax we carry. Maybe New Jerseyians should be complaining about how much we put in to the federal couffers compared to how much we get back.

    Absolutely. I'd be pissed off being in NJ with your number 3 ranking just as much as I'm pissed off being in Washington state with our number 4 ranking. My point is that your burden is already disproportionally high. Adding "just 1%" only makes it harder on the residents of your state.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jeffbr wrote:
    Absolutely. I'd be pissed off being in NJ with your number 3 ranking just as much as I'm pissed off being in Washington state with our number 4 ranking. My point is that your burden is already disproportionally high. Adding "just 1%" only makes it harder on the residents of your state.


    I agree I'm not in love with the idea, but since Federal contribution to this state is not sufficient in many areas the state has to pick up the tab. I don't like the idea of giving federal, state, or local government any more money but at this impass the 1% increase seems like the only viable opition we have. The state legislature has had time to propose other viable alternatives and has been unable to due so. I feel that if you look at both possible outcomes: a. we initiate the increase balance the budget and work on decreasing spending in future years or: b. we don't balance the budget continue to pludge the state deeper into debt and face the same battle next years when the budget is due again. Like I said Corzine is no hero but he is truely attempting to cut wastefull spending in the state but he isn't going to accomplish that overnight and there maybe some bumps and set backs along the way that we have to work through. The legislature is playing politics so that come election time they can save their own asses and they are doing this knowing that many New Jerseyians are now sitting home or working without a pay check all the while the state looses millions of dollars daily from different sources of revenue like the casinos and lottery. So no I don't like a 1% sales tax increase but I am willing to pay it if it means that we can start righting whats wrong with this state.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    mammasan wrote:
    And if you notice our tax burden is so high not because of the state taxes but because of the percentage of the federal tax we carry. Maybe New Jerseyians should be complaining about how much we put in to the federal couffers compared to how much we get back.


    That's what interests me. What kind of return do you really get for all that burden? Then you add up all the tolls you pay on the roads and if you live in say Camden or Newark....geez who wouldn't be mad all the time, you can't get ahead and then you have to shovel snow a couple months a year. I guess having essentially the silicon valley of drug companies adds to the numbers paid in.


    I think I would hope the legislature would pass a 1 month 1% tax and work on a solution around the clock.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    That's what interests me. What kind of return do you really get for all that burden? Then you add up all the tolls you pay on the roads and if you live in say Camden or Newark....geez who wouldn't be mad all the time, you can't get ahead and then you have to shovel snow a couple months a year. I guess having essentially the silicon valley of drug companies adds to the numbers paid in.


    I think I would hope the legislature would pass a 1 month 1% tax and work on a solution around the clock.


    For every dollar that New Jersey residents pay to the federal government we only receive $.55 which is the lowest ratio of spending per federal dollar. Here is a link:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

    The sales tax is not the problem the problem is the federal government. We pay way more than what we receive in return considering you have states like New Mexico who receive $2.00 for every $1.00 they pay to the federal government. So our tax dollars are going to the benefit of other states while our state slips further into debt. If our return was equal to our investment, let's say, there would be no need for any tax increase.

    As far as tolls go we only have two highways that have tolls, the NJ Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway. You can still get around the state without ever having to use these roads.
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,266
    JenInTheBx wrote:
    7% really doesn't sound that bad...

    hahaha, this coming from someone who pays 0% sales tax
    that's pretty funny Jen :D

    I think it is a ballsy move on behalf of Corzine - nothing infuriates me more than they think they have all the time in the world to get something done (a budget agreement) because they really didn't think he would shut it down

    I worked for the federal government when Clinton did this very same thing

    get off your asses and get your job done - PERIOD.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    mammasan wrote:
    For every dollar that New Jersey residents pay to the federal government we only receive $.55 which is the lowest ratio of spending per federal dollar. Here is a link:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

    The sales tax is not the problem the problem is the federal government. We pay way more than what we receive in return considering you have states like New Mexico who receive $2.00 for every $1.00 they pay to the federal government. So our tax dollars are going to the benefit of other states while our state slips further into debt. If our return was equal to our investment, let's say, there would be no need for any tax increase.

    As far as tolls go we only have two highways that have tolls, the NJ Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway. You can still get around the state without ever having to use these roads.


    Ah, I understand your support of the Fair Tax now. I guess 2 senators and I don't know representatives have some splaining to do.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Ah, I understand your support of the Fair Tax now. I guess 2 senators and I don't know representatives have some splaining to do.


    Yes now you see why I support the Fair Tax and yes our Senators and Reps have a whole lot of splaining, as Desi Arnez would say, to do.
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    mammasan wrote:
    For every dollar that New Jersey residents pay to the federal government we only receive $.55 which is the lowest ratio of spending per federal dollar. Here is a link:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

    The sales tax is not the problem the problem is the federal government. We pay way more than what we receive in return considering you have states like New Mexico who receive $2.00 for every $1.00 they pay to the federal government. So our tax dollars are going to the benefit of other states while our state slips further into debt. If our return was equal to our investment, let's say, there would be no need for any tax increase.

    As far as tolls go we only have two highways that have tolls, the NJ Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway. You can still get around the state without ever having to use these roads.
    But isnt this because, on the whole, NJ is more prosperous than other states. If you look at the map in your link, all the states with low return could be considered more properous than the states receiving the most money.

    It would seem that the feds payout money much the same way they receive it, the more you make the more they take.
  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,266
    mammasan wrote:
    As far as tolls go we only have two highways that have tolls, the NJ Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway. You can still get around the state without ever having to use these roads.

    you forgot the AC Expressway - that is also a toll road
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    1970RR wrote:
    But isnt this because, on the whole, NJ is more prosperous than other states. If you look at the map in your link, all the states with low return could be considered more properous than the states receiving the most money.

    It would seem that the feds payout money much the same way they receive it, the more you make the more they take.

    Yes New Jersey is a more properous state than many other states. New Jerseyians pay the second highest amount of federal taxes per capita, only the residents of Connecticut pay more than we do, yet we receive the lowest percentage of federal funds. Why should other states receive the funds when our own state is in need.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    you forgot the AC Expressway - that is also a toll road


    Sorry, I'm never that far south so I didn't know that.
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  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    mammasan wrote:
    That corporate mentality is what the state needs. By my comment I meant the legislature. They where given every opportunity to come up with an alternative solution and they where unable to. So just because they are afraid of not being re-elected they throw the state into turmoil, that's really keeping their constituents best interests at heart. Corzine is no hero, but he may be the best governor we have had in a long time simple because he is not a career politician and is willing to do the unpopular things that need to be done to fix this states problems.

    eh...i guess i see things differently. But I do hope this is resolved soon.
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