Atlantic City Casino's Shut down

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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I'd shut it down, too. The state is already ranked #3 in terms of total tax burden. The LAST thing they should be talking about is a tax increase.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    This situation is very similar to an episode of The West Wing. President Bartlett shuts down the federal government when he and the Republican-controlled congress can't reach an agreement on the federal budget.

    Except in this case, both the Gov and the majority of the state legislature are Dems.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • libragirl
    libragirl Posts: 4,632
    mammasan wrote:
    I hope they all loose their jobs, the politicians that is, when they are up for re-election.

    I agree...i can't stand Corzine...he has that corporate mentality. I didnt vote for him.
    These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    libragirl wrote:
    I agree...i can't stand Corzine...he has that corporate mentality. I didnt vote for him.

    That corporate mentality is what the state needs. By my comment I meant the legislature. They where given every opportunity to come up with an alternative solution and they where unable to. So just because they are afraid of not being re-elected they throw the state into turmoil, that's really keeping their constituents best interests at heart. Corzine is no hero, but he may be the best governor we have had in a long time simple because he is not a career politician and is willing to do the unpopular things that need to be done to fix this states problems.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    Im glad the public is outraged about a tax increase.
    How many more times can the public continue to bail out wasteful government spending by just raising taxes because its "easier.?"

    It may be easier, and make more sense in the short term- but it gives the government No incentive to be less wasteful.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    Im glad the public is outraged about a tax increase.
    How many more times can the public continue to bail out wasteful government spending by just raising taxes because its "easier.?"

    It may be easier, and make more sense in the short term- but it gives the government No incentive to be less wasteful.


    i think i have to agree with you on this one
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    Im glad the public is outraged about a tax increase.
    How many more times can the public continue to bail out wasteful government spending by just raising taxes because its "easier.?"

    It may be easier, and make more sense in the short term- but it gives the government No incentive to be less wasteful.

    I agree to an extent. Corzine has proposed to slightly increase next years budget but by far this is the smallest increase in many many years. His budget proposal does have several initiatives to cut waste through out the state but he is also allocating more money for DYFS which badly needs the funds to higher more social worlkers to handle the case load. He is also allocating more money to port and mass transit security which he must since the federal government either will not or cannot.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    Except in this case, both the Gov and the majority of the state legislature are Dems.


    typical partisan response which accomplishes absolutely nothing
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    typical partisan response which accomplishes absolutely nothing

    I was pointing out the difference in the tv show and reality - but thanks for putting your two cents in. ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    I was pointing out the difference in the tv show and reality - but thanks for putting your two cents in. ;)


    i knew that would get ya :D
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    Solat13 wrote:
    Except in this case, both the Gov and the majority of the state legislature are Dems.

    Elected officials in both parties are scared shitless of tax increases, especially in election years.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    my2hands wrote:
    i knew that would get ya :D

    I'm just upset my ex has to work for the DEP (Department of Environmental Protection) without pay right now. That and I was planning an A.C. trip this weekend.

    But seriously, this power play by the governor is not only making the state, the legislature, and himself look bad, but it's really hurting a lot of the residents.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Elected officials in both parties are scared shitless of tax increases, especially in election years.

    Well considering New Jersey elections are held in odd numbered years, then this standstill could last a while.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    Solat13 wrote:
    Well considering New Jersey elections are held in odd numbered years, then this standstill could last a while.

    D'oh! My bad.

    In Illinois, we have a Democrat governor, and he has frequent clashes with Democrat members of the legislature, but to be fair, he seems to be good at pissing off just about everybody he deals with.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm just upset my ex has to work for the DEP (Department of Environmental Protection) without pay right now. That and I was planning an A.C. trip this weekend.

    But seriously, this power play by the governor is not only making the state, the legislature, and himself look bad, but it's really hurting a lot of the residents.

    I see it more as the ineptitute of the legislature than a powerplay by the governor. Is he supposed to let the state continue to go broke while a bunch of selfish politicians squabble like hens in a coup without making any strides.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mammasan wrote:
    I see it more as the ineptitute of the legislature than a powerplay by the governor. Is he supposed to let the state continue to go broke while a bunch of selfish politicians squabble like hens in a coup without making any strides.

    You raise a very good point. I just don't follow Jersey politics as much since I moved out of there, but there has been a lot of poor leadership and poor decision making in the state for the last 15-20 years.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Solat13 wrote:
    but it's really hurting a lot of the residents.


    thats the only thing i am concerned with...i could care less about the politicians futures
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Solat13 wrote:
    You raise a very good point. I just don't follow Jersey politics as much since I moved out of there, but there has been a lot of poor leadership and poor decision making in the state for the last 15-20 years.

    Poor leadership and decision making, that is an understatment. I both love and hate this state. I love it for everything it has to offer and hate it because of the long track record of shitty, no correction god awfull, leadership and decision making.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • JenInTheBx
    JenInTheBx Posts: 293
    7% really doesn't sound that bad... New York's sales tax is at 8.75% I believe. I would think that the governor shutting down the state government would hurt his chances at re-election more than a 1% sales tax increase.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    JenInTheBx wrote:
    7% really doesn't sound that bad... New York's sales tax is at 8.75% I believe. I would think that the governor shutting down the state government would hurt his chances at re-election more than a 1% sales tax increase.

    He didn't shut down the government. New Jersey's Constitutions states that if a budget is not agreed upon by July 1st than the government must shut down. He actually prolonged the shut down of the casinos and state parks and beach so that they could remain open for the holiday weekend.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul

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