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Wow, Keith Olberman nails bush with this one!

my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072007A.shtml

so, i really used to like him as an anchor on sportscenter back in the day...but now i really like where he is going on MSNBC... i think his show could be improved, but i have found his honest statements the last few years refreshing on cable news... and this is the best of them all, a few minutes long, he rips right into bush and continues to back it up... finally asking him to sign up and go to iraq
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    two things:

    1. american public is definitely partly to blame for this mess ... if it wasn't so apathetic and uninterested - maybe there wouldn't be all this suffering

    2. i think both bush and cheney need to be impeached in order for america to gain back any sense of integrity and honour ... right now - the fact that these liars and sell-outs are still in power is reflecting poorly on the american spirit
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    polaris wrote:
    two things:

    1. american public is definitely partly to blame for this mess ... if it wasn't so apathetic and uninterested - maybe there wouldn't be all this suffering
    heres a question...if you are lied to and believe it, who is to blame? the person telling the lie, or the person believing the lie?
    2. i think both bush and cheney need to be impeached in order for america to gain back any sense of integrity and honour ... right now - the fact that these liars and sell-outs are still in power is reflecting poorly on the american spirit
    i couldnt agree more
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    my2hands wrote:
    heres a question...if you are lied to and believe it, who is to blame? the person telling the lie, or the person believing the lie?

    if i told you that i slept with jessica alba last nite - would you believe me?? ... the lies they told were so blatant that only people who weren't interested in the truth would fall for them ...

    so, in this particular case - there is obvious blame to the people telling the lies but also to those that bought it ...
  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
    Keith is quite eloquent when he wants to be.
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Well yeah that pretty much sums everything up. I really don't know how Bush and co. sleep at night.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    my2hands wrote:
    heres a question...if you are lied to and believe it, who is to blame? the person telling the lie, or the person believing the lie?

    "It takes two people to lie Marge. One to lie and one to listen"
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  • zackmorriszackmorris Posts: 24
    i am a big fan of keith's but some how missed this. thanks for posting.
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  • buttersbutters Posts: 63
    my2hands wrote:
    heres a question...if you are lied to and believe it, who is to blame? the person telling the lie, or the person believing the lie?

    Its not as simple as that. Every American is tolerant of a culture steeped in lies. Whenever a question is asked to a politician, he seems to answer a completely different question. Their strategy is to 'answer the question they wish has been asked'. No one ever challenges them on it. We let them do this, so can not act fully innocent.

    Hell, just look at our TV commercials, which are pretty much all lies.

    So you can shirk ressponsibility by passing the buck, but the culture that permits this is our collective creation.

    Politics is a special case, where we willingly choose to believe lies if it serves our political purposes.

    Do liberals hate America? No but its convenient for some to think that.

    Do pro-lifers want to suppress woman's rights? no, I imagine they are disgusted at the killing of unborn children. But its convenient for some to believe that.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Bush is that guy who will drive around for hours lost until he runs out of gas instead of asking for directions or stopping to buy one of those gas station maps.

    In fact he'll stop at all the gas stations but forget to buy gas, ask for directions, or get the damn map.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,053
    I admit his show is entertaining. It'd be nice to see him actually debate someone, because he never brings people on his show that disagree with his viewpoint. Maybe it is not necessary, but I think if you are going to have a non-news news hour (Olbermann/Hardball/O'Reilly) that you should have guests on that disagree with you. Anyway, he can do what he wants, but as an observation it jumped out to me that he has the same 3 guests on every night supporting his view. Maybe that is why the show is somewhat bearable, not a lot of arguing back and forth.
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Oberman is a fuck face. I am tired of you whiners about Bush and co. Get real jobs and quit bitching.
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    nathanastin wrote:
    Oberman is a fuck face. I am tired of you whiners about Bush and co. Get real jobs and quit bitching.

    Yeah you bloody moaners, why can't you roll over and let Bush fuck you in the arse without bringing up the war and all that death stuff......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    nathanastin wrote:
    Oberman is a fuck face. I am tired of you whiners about Bush and co. Get real jobs and quit bitching.

    and you're a teacher? :rolleyes:
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    nathanastin wrote:
    Oberman is a fuck face. I am tired of you whiners about Bush and co. Get real jobs and quit bitching.

    someone whining about people whining....yeap.

    please stay away from sharp objects if not supervised :p
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • SpliffTasticSpliffTastic Posts: 36
    Shit, I forgot about seeing this clip a few weeks back. Very powerful little speech he gives. I'm usually not on the whole "Impeach the Administration" bandwagon (they'll be gone soon and someone else will come in and continue to fuck the country up just like any good President should be expected to), but if anything could get me there, it would be this.
  • FredFlintstoneFredFlintstone Posts: 193
    Why should Bush have to fight in the war he started?
    He is the son of privelage and sons of the privelaged don't fight wars - they start them.
    "Sean Hannity knows there is no greater threat to America today than Bill Clinton 15 years ago"- Stephen Colbert
  • TeslarockerTeslarocker Posts: 123
    my2hands wrote:
    finally asking him to sign up and go to iraq

    I've been pointing this out for years. That middle-aged men (and occasionally women) get to declare war. And then young people have to fight it
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    butters wrote:
    Its not as simple as that. Every American is tolerant of a culture steeped in lies. Whenever a question is asked to a politician, he seems to answer a completely different question. Their strategy is to 'answer the question they wish has been asked'. No one ever challenges them on it. We let them do this, so can not act fully innocent.

    Hell, just look at our TV commercials, which are pretty much all lies.

    So you can shirk ressponsibility by passing the buck, but the culture that permits this is our collective creation.

    Politics is a special case, where we willingly choose to believe lies if it serves our political purposes.

    Do liberals hate America? No but its convenient for some to think that.

    Do pro-lifers want to suppress woman's rights? no, I imagine they are disgusted at the killing of unborn children. But its convenient for some to believe that.

    I just read this awesome chapter in a book today that reaffirms your point. It's titled "The American People Can't Be Trusted" by Toby Miller, and it's in a book called Contesting Empire Globalizing Dissent: Cultural Studies after 9/11 (Denzin and Giardina, 2007). Another one by Lawrence Grossberg claims that the American people aren't apathetic just resigned. You can see by all the political talk on here and all around the internet, and in schools that we have a political and invested populace our government, corporate capitalism, and the rise of the church in our society has helped to suppress it unfortunately.
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    everyone woke up?

    Why is this so hard to do? Does America's Next Top Whatever take precedence over America's last breath!?!?!
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  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    go keith!
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  • mbangel10mbangel10 Posts: 548
    polaris wrote:
    if i told you that i slept with jessica alba last nite - would you believe me?? ... the lies they told were so blatant that only people who weren't interested in the truth would fall for them ...

    so, in this particular case - there is obvious blame to the people telling the lies but also to those that bought it ...

    There were a lot of us out there that knew he was full of crap from the beginning. I didn't vote for him. I wrote my congressman. I wrote the white house. I posted my beliefs on the internet.

    What else could I do? You make it sound like it would have been easy to stop this war. Believe me, if snapping my fingers and yelling, "Bullshit" was enough, this war would have never been started.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    finally asking him to sign up and go to iraq

    That might quite possibly be the dumbest argument I've ever heard, to be honest with you.

    I think FRD's polio-ridden ass should have been forced to fight in World War II.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • FredFlintstoneFredFlintstone Posts: 193
    slightofjeff wrote:
    That might quite possibly be the dumbest argument I've ever heard, to be honest with you.

    I think FRD's polio-ridden ass should have been forced to fight in World War II.


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