Bush's new Iraq plan coming in new year

bryanfury

holy shit. so this moron has a plan (hopefully better than his last one), but is waiting until after the new year to unveil it?

While i'm touched by his respect for the good tidings of the holiday season, i'm completely appalled that countless more people will die because he doesn't want to spoil Christmas.

every day is critical in this war, and this is the latest glaring example of what a total fucking idiot this guy is.

jlew24asu

bryanfury wrote:

holy shit. so this moron has a plan (hopefully better than his last one), but is waiting until after the new year to unveil it?

While i'm touched by his respect for the good tidings of the holiday season, i'm completely appalled that countless more people will die because he doesn't want to spoil Christmas.

every day is critical in this war, and this is the latest glaring example of what a total fucking idiot this guy is.

maybe he needs more time to digest all the info from all the people around him giving him advice. no one is suggesting an immediate pull out so I dont see how waiting 2 more weeks makes a big difference.

you make it sound like the government has stopped working for the holidays. last I checked the pentagon is open on christmas.

sapperskunk

I just read three different articles that said "the plan" isn't ready yet. All Tony Snow said is we know the general direction the plan will take but not all the details, it looks like it's still in production.

Abuskedti

he is not listening. He is still singing his song about how it HAS to turn out.

Well, we can't make it turn out that way -

you can't listen when you already know the outcome - which is more sad because that outcome is not possible.

Truthmonger

jlew24asu wrote:

maybe he needs more time to digest all the info from all the people around him giving him advice.

Ya, Bush was always really big on consensus. LOL

jlew24asu

Truthmonger wrote:

Ya, Bush was always really big on consensus. LOL

maybe this time it will work

Truthmonger

jlew24asu wrote:

maybe this time it will work

Ya, I mean, it only cost 2900 American lives, 40,000-50,000 Iraqi lives, $400,000,000,000. and the last shred of legitimacy the U.S. had in this world. Oh well, live and learn.

Commy

Here's a plan. Staged withdrawal. Get the fuck out.

They really want that foothold in the middle east and those fuckers at PNAC and in the Bush admin really don't care how much it costs in lives.

Commy

Truthmonger wrote:

Ya, I mean, it only cost 2900 American lives, 40,000-50,000 Iraqi lives, $400,000,000,000. and the last shred of legitimacy the U.S. had in this world. Oh well, live and learn.

Idiot son of an asshole.

Truthmonger

Commy wrote:

Idiot son of an asshole.

Some people's fucking kids !!!

bryanfury

jlew24asu wrote:

maybe this time it will work

maybe pigs will grow longer legs and compete in triatholons...

and i don;t care if the whole plan is not done. obviously, he has the majority of it ready to go. Why wait? implement that part of it.

we were told by tony snow last week that he would lay out his plan before christmas. now the plan isn't ready?

sorry, but Dubya has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

The Illinoisemakers

bryanfury wrote:

maybe pigs will grow longer legs and compete in triatholons...

and i don;t care if the whole plan is not done. obviously, he has the majority of it ready to go. Why wait? implement that part of it.

we were told by tony snow last week that he would lay out his plan before christmas. now the plan isn't ready?

sorry, but Dubya has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

Wow you must have some good inside information if you know the majority of the plan is ready to go.

If the plan needs more time for some last minute details, then it should wait another two weeks. Funny most people were up in arms that the intial plan to invade and occupy was poorly put together, and now with a possible new direction on the way, people want another rushed job.

RockinInCanada

If it involves staying the course he is still an idioit....he will babble about planned withdrawls...WAIT he talked about that multiple times in the past....Im making a wager that the US is still in Iraq Christmas '07 and the situation worse than now.....

The Illinoisemakers

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

If it involves staying the course he is still an idioit....he will babble about planned withdrawls...WAIT he talked about that multiple times in the past....Im making a wager that the US is still in Iraq Christmas '07 and the situation worse than now.....

Wow that's really stepping out on a limb. We still have troops in the Balkans, and that was how many years ago? Things are going to be worse in Iraq only if the Iraqi leadership and military don't start pulling their weight. Which is a strong possibility.

RockinInCanada

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Wow that's really stepping out on a limb. We still have troops in the Balkans, and that was how many years ago? Things are going to be worse in Iraq only if the Iraqi leadership and military don't start pulling their weight. Which is a strong possibility.

No Iraq is worse because of how it was managed and continues to be managed Bush's pride is overwhelming factor why it has been so unsuccessful.

ONLY now after the Reps. lost the last election has he started to listen and I blame him 100% as it always should as a leader....and yeah I did not go out a limb you'd be a fool to think differently....

The Illinoisemakers

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

No Iraq is worse because of how it was managed and continues to be managed Bush's pride is overwhelming factor why it has been so unsuccessful.

ONLY now after the Reps. lost the last election has he started to listen and I blame him 100% as it always should as a leader....and yeah I did not go out a limb you'd be a fool to think differently....

Ok. I'm not disagreeing with you. Iraq up to this point has been unsuccessful because of poor planing on our part. I'm more interested in what lies ahead, which wont be much different then what we have now if Iraq's gov't doesn't take a strong interest in their own success.

Uncle Leo

Unfortunately, I fear that Bush's main obsession is his legacy. He knows that the best thing for his legacy is to somehow be named the "winner."

If he can have a plan that will not have an eye toward legacy and can minimize future problems, I'll give him credit. Yes he and his crew fucked this up. But given that now, new years '07, is what it is, hopefully the most positive thing for the future can be planned.

Cosmo

Uncle Leo wrote:

Unfortunately, I fear that Bush's main obsession is his legacy. He knows that the best thing for his legacy is to somehow be named the "winner."

If he can have a plan that will not have an eye toward legacy and can minimize future problems, I'll give him credit. Yes he and his crew fucked this up. But given that now, new years '07, is what it is, hopefully the most positive thing for the future can be planned.

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I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.
I believe Bush is more concerned with how HE will be viewed, rather than how AMERICA turns out in the future. Which is why I suspect that the 'New Way Forward' is on the 'Same Old Course'. Bush really believes that if only the American people had he 'resolve' to stick it out... in the long run, the entire Middle East (50 years from now) will resemble Iowa and Nebraska. That the losses we are seeing today are acceptable costs for the long term results. I believe he sees himself as one of the great Americans and that the things we are witnessing in Iraq today are merely minor setbacks... which is why his mouth pieces speak of tough battles in Europe and the Pacific and compares them (unrealistically) to events in Iraq.
The problem is... this is not Europe and Japan and it isn't 1942. We are not talking about nationalism here... we are talking about idealism. The whole thought of spreading Democracy to a region that believes the United States is the worst Empire in the history of the world is probably going to result in them freely electing people who hate us. Look at the recent 'Democratic Elections' in the region... Gaza elects Hamas, Lebanon elects Hezbollah and Iraq elects followers of Al Sadr. You really have to be a complete idiot to have not seen this one coming. And the last place you want a Democratic Election... Pakistan.
The only way to 'Win' in Iraq... 350,000 to 400,000 U.S. troops to overwhelmingly occupy and impose security in that place. That many troops can provide the security needed in order for all of the other factors to take place. The rebuilding effort, the political stability and establishment and the trainning of a quality force in Iraq will only come if there is security over there. Securing the borders, providing the intelligence and executing the military objectives to get the insurgency to subside requires more quality soldiers. Is America ready and willing to place an additional 160,000 to 260,000 U.S. soldiers at risk for a people who inheirently hate us?
As long as things remain at current levels... the sames results will occur.

bryanfury

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Wow you must have some good inside information if you know the majority of the plan is ready to go.

If the plan needs more time for some last minute details, then it should wait another two weeks. Funny most people were up in arms that the intial plan to invade and occupy was poorly put together, and now with a possible new direction on the way, people want another rushed job.

well, considering his own administration said it was ready, and then had to do some MAJOR backtracking when they said it was going to wait, then i'd say I do have some good inside info.

is this type of willful ignorance that led us to war, and got this retard elected a second time.

"the truth's already out there"

THC

Ohhh Ohhh....I can't wait!

I heard he is going to read a children's book to Congress! maybe that same one he read during 9/11. That seemed to be a good solution....

bryanfury

THC wrote:

Ohhh Ohhh....I can't wait!

I heard he is going to read a children's book to Congress! maybe that same one he read during 9/11. That seemed to be a good solution....

that poor pet goat is going to be associated with bush forever.

what did it do to deserve that???