New giant oil field found, time for a new war

quarterpastquarterpast Posts: 185
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_oil

Wonder how quickly we'll start to buddy up to them.
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    They discovered this several months ago. I wonder why it's just making news now.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_oil

    Wonder how quickly we'll start to buddy up to them.

    We're already pretty buddied up with Brazil. Maybe W will now designate them as a partner in our war of terror.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    We need a war in the jungle like....we need another war in the desert. :rolleyes:
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    you all think this is good news?
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you all think this is good news?
    yes this is excellent news.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    yes this is excellent news.


    for whom
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    macgyver06 wrote:
    for whom

    for you. and others.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    for you. and others.


    ok
  • theroachmantheroachman Posts: 362
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    yes this is excellent news.


    Yeah! Now we can still drive giant SUVs for an extra 10 years!

    Lazy is a fitting name for you
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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Yeah! Now we can still drive giant SUVs for an extra 10 years!

    Lazy is a fitting name for you

    do you drive a car? and also, how does me thinking this is good news make me lazy? please explain. although my guess is you will run and hide. amazing the amount of unwarranted insults that get thrown around here. is everyone in high school on this board?
  • oil helps people enjoy laziness...
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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    oil helps people enjoy laziness...

    really how so? oil helps about 250,000,000+ Americans get to work. most with NO other option but driving. it also heats many peoples homes, again, with NO other option. so please tell me, how does it help people enjoy laziness?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    really how so? oil helps about 250,000,000+ Americans get to work. most with NO other option but driving. it also heats many peoples homes, again, with NO other option. so please tell me, how does it help people enjoy laziness?


    lazy and ignorant.. good combo
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    macgyver06 wrote:
    lazy and ignorant.. good combo

    do people only throw insults around here? care to explain?
  • SilverSeedSilverSeed Posts: 336
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    really how so? oil helps about 250,000,000+ Americans get to work. most with NO other option but driving. it also heats many peoples homes, again, with NO other option. so please tell me, how does it help people enjoy laziness?

    Yeah I heat my home with 87 octane... Open your eyes to the other options and you may see why people aren't so stoked on this. It's good for Brazil's economy, that's about it. Basically it will just help perpetuate our current situation. And if I remember correctly (as someone already pointed out, this is an old story) it's not the same type of crude as we get in say, Iraq. It needs more refining, the only reason they're going after it is that with today's prices it is more feasible to refine this type.
    When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...

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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    SilverSeed wrote:
    Yeah I heat my home with 87 octane... Open your eyes to the other options and you may see why people aren't so stoked on this. It's good for Brazil's economy, that's about it. Basically it will just help perpetuate our current situation. And if I remember correctly (as someone already pointed out, this is an old story) it's not the same type of crude as we get in say, Iraq. It needs more refining, the only reason they're going after it is that with today's prices it is more feasible to refine this type.

    if this oil makes it to market, hopefully supplies will go up and bring prices down. even if its a little bit, it will help everyone. people are stretched to thin with gas and heating prices.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    if this oil makes it to market, hopefully supplies will go up and bring prices down. even if its a little bit, it will help everyone. people are stretched to thin with gas and heating prices.


    you think oil prices are higher because there is a shortage?
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you think oil prices are higher because there is a shortage?

    there are many reasons why oil prices are high. supply/demand, OPEC, speculators.


    here is an article released minutes ago..

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

    NEW YORK - Crude oil prices rose to within a penny of $114 a barrel Tuesday, setting new records as concerns mounted about global supplies. U.S. retail gasoline and diesel prices also struck new highs.


    Traders honed in on a report by the International Energy Agency that said Russian oil production dropped this year for the first time in a decade. The report raised concerns about whether the key oil-producing nation will have enough supply to help feed growing global demand.

    "In an emotionally driven market like we've got now, it just doesn't take much in the way of a headline to prompt a psychological response," said Jim Ritterbusch, president of Ritterbusch & Associates in Galena, Ill.

    Light, sweet crude for May delivery rose as high as $113.99 a barrel for the first time on the New York Mercantile Exchange before settling at $113.79, up $2.03 from Monday's record settlement price of $111.76 a barrel.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    there are many reasons why oil prices are high. supply/demand, OPEC, speculators.


    here is an article released minutes ago..

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

    NEW YORK - Crude oil prices rose to within a penny of $114 a barrel Tuesday, setting new records as concerns mounted about global supplies. U.S. retail gasoline and diesel prices also struck new highs.


    Traders honed in on a report by the International Energy Agency that said Russian oil production dropped this year for the first time in a decade. The report raised concerns about whether the key oil-producing nation will have enough supply to help feed growing global demand.

    "In an emotionally driven market like we've got now, it just doesn't take much in the way of a headline to prompt a psychological response," said Jim Ritterbusch, president of Ritterbusch & Associates in Galena, Ill.

    Light, sweet crude for May delivery rose as high as $113.99 a barrel for the first time on the New York Mercantile Exchange before settling at $113.79, up $2.03 from Monday's record settlement price of $111.76 a barrel.



    would you consider oil to be an elastic good?
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    macgyver06 wrote:
    would you consider oil to be an elastic good?

    currently no. there are just too many cars on the road that use/need gasoline. and not enough feasible non-gasoline cars.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    currently no. there are just too many cars on the road that use/need gasoline. and not enough feasible non-gasoline cars.


    is it possible.. the more gasoline obtained.. the higher the price?
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    macgyver06 wrote:
    is it possible..
    is what possible? a feasile alternative? sure. is there one? no.
    macgyver06 wrote:
    the more gasoline obtained.. the higher the price?

    are these rhetorical questions? what the hell are you getting at?


    and I'm still curious why you decided to insult me by saying im lazy and ignorant. whenever your ready.
  • theroachmantheroachman Posts: 362
    The lazy remark was a bit low but I know you were not that offended. It is political blog so a snide remark in ones direction is going to happen from time to time.. So sorry to offend by not that sorry.


    This discovery is rumored to be in really deep water. Though Petrobras is know for being good at deep water drilling the expense of such drilling may be really huge. Thus reducing the amount of oil for the general public.

    Oil ended today at what? 114 USD!!!

    This "discovery" has not even been verified yet by the people that found it. I think there announcement of its existence was to help inflate its stock price. We see later in the year what the true amount is and how much is going to cost to get it.
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  • theroachmantheroachman Posts: 362
    The reason why someone who thinks this is going to save us is lazy is because by saying this may help the world avoid or put of peak oil are lazy IMO. They seem to not want to change. Change is coming whether any one wants it or not. Wars will only make it come sooner and with more pain. Those trillions of USD could have been used for a lot more useful things. This discovery is not going to stop oil march to 200 USD per barrel. If someone had started this thread as: This is great now we have more time to figure out something better. Then my first impression would not be "Lazy" person.
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  • theroachmantheroachman Posts: 362
    Well it turns out that Petrobras really does not know what they found yet. Opps a little premature guessing on those world saving oil reserves


    Here is what Petrobras has to say

    http://www.agenciapetrobrasdenoticias.com.br/materia.asp?id_editoria=8&id_noticia=4769

    Clarifications on the discovery in the Carioca area

    Publicada em 14/4/2008 18:19:43

    Foto: AGÊNCIA PETROBRAS

    Regarding the information attributed to the general director of the National Oil, Natural Gas, and Biofuels Agency, Haroldo Lima, published by the press today (04/14) regarding possible reserves located in the Carioca area, Petrobras clarifies that:

    The consortium formed by Petrobras (45% - Operator), BG (30%), and Repsol YPF Brasil (25%) is still following its exploratory program for Block BM-S-9, in the Santos Basin. The Block is composed of two exploratory areas. Well 1-BRSA-491-SPS (1-SPS-50) was drilled in the largest of them, and resulted in the discovery announced on September 05 2007. On that occasion, the market was informed that more investments are required to drill new wells, the Assessment Plan for which is in its final preparation phase and is expected to be submitted to the NPA in the upcoming days.

    Following the normal exploration schedule, on March 22 2008, the Company started drilling the second well, the 1-BRSA-594-SPS (1-SPS-55), which is located in the smaller area of the block, but it has yet to reach the pre-salt layer. The ongoing exploratory activities include drilling new wells, long-duration formation tests, and new geological studies to prove the range of the discovery.

    More conclusive data on the discovery’s potential will only be known after the other phases involved in the assessment process have been completed, and they will be announced to the market in a timely manner.
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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Well it turns out that Petrobras really does not know what they found yet. Opps a little premature guessing on those world saving oil reserves

    I didnt read anywhere that this would be "world saving" why are you so cynical towards finding more oil?
  • theroachmantheroachman Posts: 362
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I didnt read anywhere that this would be "world saving" why are you so cynical towards finding more oil?


    Its in your original yahoo news post

    "This would lay to rest some of the peak oil pronouncements that we were out of oil,"


    Cynical? No. Realist yes. There is no cheap oil left NONE ZERO ZIP!!!

    So yes when someone comes along and says they have found this huge new supply I am going to be very skeptical.
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  • isn't that ironic. Brazil is the one country in the world that is 100% biofuel (for transportation).
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Its in your original yahoo news post

    "This would lay to rest some of the peak oil pronouncements that we were out of oil,"


    Cynical? No. Realist yes. There is no cheap oil left NONE ZERO ZIP!!!

    So yes when someone comes along and says they have found this huge new supply I am going to be very skeptical.

    last I checked the earth is rather large and undiscovered. I love your use of ALL CAPS but how the hell do you know there is no oil left? and secondly, once oil is discovered, why not take it as great news? I'll take any news that will potentially bring down the price of oil
  • theroachmantheroachman Posts: 362
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    last I checked the earth is rather large and undiscovered. I love your use of ALL CAPS but how the hell do you know there is no oil left? and secondly, once oil is discovered, why not take it as great news? I'll take any news that will potentially bring down the price of oil


    I said cheap oil. There is a differance. The cost of getting oil out of the ground is going up and up. That will not change.

    Bringing down the cost of oil will only perpetuate the inefficiant energy waisting world we live in. And will only serve to put off into the future the end of the oil age.

    It is almost like your wishing for a 1980s event and somebody is going to rescue the US with the gift of cheap oil.
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