Employing minorities

dunkman

Have you got what it takes to be a firefighter?

Come and find out for yourself.

You might be surprised at the qualities we look for in a firefighter.

Do you like working in your Community, listening and educating people? These days preventing fires is just as important as fighting them….

If you’re the person we’re looking for you’ll be earning over £26,000 once you have qualified, and have excellent career prospects.

We would particularly like to invite women and people from ethnic minority groups to join us.

Dumfries and Galloway Fire and Rescue Service is an Equal Opportunities employer. This means we are active in redressing the current imbalance of our workforce to reflect the communities we serve




This is a job advert from my local council.. i think i have seen approx 8 black people in my entire life (in my local area). Black people just dont live in rural Scotland.

so with this type of positive discrimination, if i went for a job along with 13 other white guys and 1 black guy... and there were 3 jobs on offer... the black guy would get a job... regardless of the other qualities of the remaining candidates.

thats pretty crap... what ever happened to best man/woman for the job? his skin colour shouldnt even come into the equation...

Hitch-Hiker

Your local council needs a lesson in political correctness and public relations. They're basically saying "We were racist before, and now we're overcompensating for our mistakes". Dumbasses

spiral out

It is political correctness gone mad, it's been that way for so long. I don't remember it another way.

dunkman

Hitch-Hiker wrote:

Your local council needs a lesson in political correctness and public relations. They're basically saying "We were racist before, and now we're overcompensating for our mistakes". Dumbasses

but where i live there is aprox 2 black families

its hard to be racist if no blacks or asians actually apply for the jobs.


its crazy... out of 30 fireman do they need to have say 3.333% of them to be black and 6.666% of them asian lesbians.

its fucked up...

nuffingman

I think more asian lesbians should be firefighters!

dunkman

nuffingman wrote:

I think more asian lesbians should be firefighters!

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Jeanwah

I think all workplaces are trying to be diverse in their "equal employment opportunities". My last workplace went as far as giving the African-American guy they hired better than base pay from the start, which caused a lot of friction among staff, but they were trying to prove that "if you're Black, you'll get special treatment". I don't think it's fair.

jeffbr

It will ultimately backfire against the person who it was supposed to benefit. Everyone in the office, or in the station house will think they know why that person was hired. And even if that person exceded every qualification and truely was the best candidate for the job, nobody will know that, and everyone will believe it was because of minority status. It's a shame.

vedderelf

This actually isn't that big of a deal. I see tons of job ads where they encourage women and minorities to apply. All's it means is that they are "EOE" or an equal opportunity employer. It's also sort of a cover your butt thing, so if someone comes around wanting to start a lawsuit, they can point to this ad and say, "look here. we encourage minorities." That's all. I won't get into the whole "reverse discrimination" thing because that's not really what this is about.

Alex_Coe

Well for one thing, Eskimo's can't be firefighters. What do Eskimo's know about fire and water?

Alex_Coe

dunkman wrote:

but where i live there is aprox 2 black families

its hard to be racist if no blacks or asians actually apply for the jobs.

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Uhhh... duh. Black people won't apply for a job unless you coax them with a peice of cheese. You have to lead them to you with a treat. Like dogs.

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Hm. It appears the colored text boxes are not wroking. Hell, I'll leave them there.

Uncle Leo

vedderelf wrote:

This actually isn't that big of a deal. I see tons of job ads where they encourage women and minorities to apply. All's it means is that they are "EOE" or an equal opportunity employer. It's also sort of a cover your butt thing, so if someone comes around wanting to start a lawsuit, they can point to this ad and say, "look here. we encourage minorities." That's all. I won't get into the whole "reverse discrimination" thing because that's not really what this is about.

I agree.

In and of itself "women and mintorities encouraged to apply" is not a problem. Maybe an organization realizes "hey 95% of our applicants are white males. Why would others not see us as someplace we want to apply. We may be losing out on potentially good employees."

The counter argument to that will be "yeah, but then they just hire the minority just to do so." If an employer does that, that is a problem. But I do not think the encouragement of women and minorities to apply is an implication that they do so.

Bwalker545

Welcome to the world of Affirmitive Action, we have had it here in America for quite some time...
Great example is college...So I got into school with good grades and good SAT scores, cool, a friend of mine didn't get in with fairly poor grades... like 2.8ish, had decent SAT scores and did a lot of extra-curriculur activities... No big deal, whatever so his grades were not good enough...
Untill I meet people who did get in once im here and discover that minorities with 2.0 GPAs, and poor SAT scores got in no problem!

Ahnimus

Democracy is a game minorities can play!

wavescamecrashing

this happens alot in london.

when applying for jobs it counts against me that i dont speak a minority language.

graduate training schemes exclude white people outright, there are black only trade unions, women only trade unions...#

if you fight against segregation for such a long time, why segregate yourself voluntarily?

i dont get it. i know half of it is the government apologising for all the wrong, but there is still racism in britain, and this shit fuels it. Most people i know, black, white or blue, want to achieve something in the knowledge that it is their own achievement and not becuase their race ticks a box for a government official.

decides2dream

i think it may be quite the assumption that they will hire a female or a minority based on gender or race ALONE above any other candidate. asking such to apply, and then actually hiring such candidates, not the same thing. i would like to think they are simply encouraging such to apply...but STILL would chose the best person for the job. actively encouraging recruits and then making a decision based soley on such, not the same thing. at this point, that advert alone is not enough for me to cry foul just yet...i'd need more info/proof that wrong-doing is taking place. however, i whole-heartedly agree, if one is hiring based on gender or race alone, above other more qualified candidates...well as you UKers like to say, that's just daft.