Lets try something different.

DriftingByTheStorm

Shadowflame05 wrote:

I'm voting for Ron Paul, because it seems as if he really does believe that Love can change the world. I don't know about you, but I love Love. "theres just one word that I still believe and its Love"

Please see my post above.
Please DO NOT TRY TO VOTE FOR RON PAUL
It is ABSOULTELY 100% WORTHLESS.
HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ELECTORAL SLATE ON THE BALLOT IN ANY STATE.

YOU CAN NOT LEGALLY VOTE FOR HIM!

If you wanted to vote for Ron Paul (i did) LISTEN TO HIS PLEA and VOTE FOR ANY NON MAINSTREAM CANDIDATE.

ANY ONE OF THEM.
Pick one.

I'm picking McKinney because i KNOW she is on the level.

Shadowflame05

Hmm... Yah it seems as if she is on the level, maybe I will vote for her Honestly, I've steadily been losing faith in this system and try not to get involved in politics because they talk too much and act very little. Frankly I'm a man of action, which I suppose is why I joined the military (not to reopen an old wound) and is why I'm currently seeking conscientious objection from it. But of course thats neither here nor there, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I no longer understand this crazy world so instead of trying to comprehend it with my brain I've chosen to feel it with my heart.

DriftingByTheStorm

Shadowflame05 wrote:

so instead of trying to comprehend it with my brain I've chosen to feel it with my heart.

nice reference to one of the greatest lines out of one of the greatest songs on riot act.

"no white or black just grey, can you feel this
world with your heart and not your brain."

Shadowflame05

I love Pearl Jam.

cincybearcat

drivingrl wrote:

I'm voting for Obama for many reasons, but there's really only one that's very important to me.

Justice Stevens and Justice Ginsberg will not be around much longer - whether they both retire or (heaven forbid) pass away while on the bench. If McCain is elected, that would mean two more conservative justices in the Supreme Court. No, thank you.

I hope I'm not derailing the thread here...

This bothers me...not your opinion, etc. but does it bother anyone else that the Supreme Court has become such a political institution? How is it that there are republican and democrat judges? It just seems wrong to have the president appoint individuals for such an important position, so that they must pander to one side or the other. I'm not sure how it should be or how to make it better, but it just seems stupid.

Anyhow...

I'm not sure whom I am voting for yet so some good things abotu both...

1) Obama - he is an inspiring leader as someone mentioned. I believe this is extremely important as president. You don;t have to have a ton of experience if you have a clear vision, clear thinking, surround yourself with "experts" you can trust, and you are inspiring. Obama certainly has a clear vision and is a clear thinker...the surrounding part can't be determined until he is elected (if he is elected). I also think he is right on taking our eye off the real threat in Afgh. and instead focusing on Iraq.

2) McCain - he has already showed that he will serve his country despite what is best for him. He seems to think for himself instead of only follow the party line. While he has little understanding of economics, I agree with his premise of lowering taxes and reducing spending (I hope he keeps to this if elected). I'm also for privitizing Social Security and against allowing the government to run the health care system. I align more directly with McCain on the issues than I do Obama.

Cosmo

I'm on the fence.... but, leaning way more towards Obama. Here's why...
Our country is in bad shape. We have two wars where our military people are tasked as the only Americans in the fight. Our big businesses are out of control because they have no controls or oversites on what they do. Our standing in the world, amongst friends and enemies is not where it was... or where it should be.We are divided amongst imaginary lines that define us by political affiliation.
...
I see more change in our current direction with Obama. Mostly because I find it awfully insulting to me, both, as an American and as a voter, when the ones who have been in the driver's seat for the past 8 years try to sell themselves as the ones who will bring a change in our direction. I remember the past 8 years... I remember the past 4 decades... no one can revise the history I lived through with political fast talk. If change was what they wanted, then why didn't change come while they were at the wheel?
War - I hear, 'The Surge is/has working/worked'. If that is the case, then, it would lead me to believe that the political process in Iraq has moved forward. Has it? I don't know, because no one is telling me. The only way I will see the surge as successful would be the drawing down of our troops over there. If violence is re-kindled... then the surge did NOT work and an ESCALATION of forces is what is and has always been needed. I cannot declare something such as the surge as successful or a failure until it has completed its lifecycle.
Economy - When Capitalism is left to grow without oversights and regulations... it will grow, but that growth will come at a cost. We are seeing the results of an un-regulated market that produced artificial growth as the dog eat dog market begins to comsume its own flesh. Someone made big money and the only trickle down we feel is their piss on our heads.
And my memory tells me that McCain was involved with the Savings and Loan debacle in the late 80s/early 90s. Another case where a few people made huge money while Joe American got screwed.
Foriegn Policy - We need our allies to be on our side... just as we need to be on their side. France and Germany are NOT the enemy. Places like Pakistan are. It is a bizarro world when Americans hated Europe and embraced Pakistan this decade. I stongly feel that Obama will be better and mending our relationships with our NATO Allies. Just because they refused to agree to our actions, does NOT make them our enemy. Just as agreeing with us (verbally), does not make Pakistan (Musharef) our friend.
Rove Effect - We, not the politicians... but, the American people, need to end this ridiculous idea that politics is sport. Your enemy is NOT the opposite political party or a person with an opposing view. This endless political campaigning to keep us believing this bullshit makes us weak... and it makes us stupid.
...
Other Issues:
Health care - I think than everyone should have access to the basic health care... flu shots, pre-natal, birth control... not just those of us who happen to work in a company that provides Health Care benefits. if everyone got flu shots.. then, maybe the minimum wage guy working at the taco joint I like to go to won't bring the flu to his work. That goes for the guy at the tire store or the Best Buys or any of the other places I go to.
Environment - I believe that Obama is more towards care for our environment than McCain.
Abortion - A non-issue, to me.
Gay marriage - See above.
Gun control - See above.
Presidential Ticket - Not a big fan of Biden... in fact... i don't particularly like him. But, the Palin selection is, at best, at par with H. Ross Perot's pick of Will Stockdale as a running mate. And i think I'd give Stockdale the Second Place award for Worst V.P. Candidate on an Ticket.
The only plus side I find on McCain would be with Defense. I believe that although there is no longer a Cold War... we still need to protect ourselves with technological advantages against possible future adversaries.

OffHeGoes29

Thanks for keeping this on track.

g under p

I'll just say this....Nobody Right, Nobody Wrong by Michael Franti in choosing your side.

They say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Conflict each and every day, at home and in the streets, and in my soul every way.
Its hard to keep the faith, when I feels so far away.
Times i feel connected, times I'm runnin' away.
But Whoa Whoa, Cant you see, all the sickness, hunger, and poverty.
War on the land and war on the seas.
Whoa, War is a painful thing.
One argument that none of us can hide, is the one thats ragin down deep inside.
Tryin' to make a point, or have the last word.
But most the time people just tryin to be heard.

They say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

But how many people never eva broke a rule.
And how many people tryin to get their kids to school
And how many people prayin they only find a job.
And how many poeple are afraid of gettin robbed.
Whoa Whoa, nobody knows.
And whoa whoa, only god knows.
Numbers escalate, wall street, crime rate.
From the Bahgdad streets, to my city by the bay.

Hey they say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

And I say, can you say what you mean?
And can you mean what you mean what you say?
And can you say what you mean?
And can you mean what you mean what you say?
And can you say what you mean?
Every single day? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Reach out a hand to somebody who needs a hand.
And reach out a heart to somebody torn apart.
Its hard, this livin, this life we've been given.
Locked in your soul, or locked up in prison.
Remember you have to reach high to be risen.
The day you let go is the day you are forgiven.

So they say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Nobody right now.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
And I say, one man got a jet fighter, and the other got a song.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

I just hope whosoever gets to become President will get this country back on it's feet. Tough task though.


Peace

Shadowflame05

Wow, that is a beautiful song. If only our leaders could see the world in this way, maybe they wouldn't be killing our soldiers and innocent iraqi civilians overseas...

g under p

Shadowflame05 wrote:

g under p wrote:

I'll just say this....Nobody Right, Nobody Wrong by Michael Franti in choosing your side.

They say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Conflict each and every day, at home and in the streets, and in my soul every way.
Its hard to keep the faith, when I feels so far away.
Times i feel connected, times I'm runnin' away.
But Whoa Whoa, Cant you see, all the sickness, hunger, and poverty.
War on the land and war on the seas.
Whoa, War is a painful thing.
One argument that none of us can hide, is the one thats ragin down deep inside.
Tryin' to make a point, or have the last word.
But most the time people just tryin to be heard.

They say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

But how many people never eva broke a rule.
And how many people tryin to get their kids to school
And how many people prayin they only find a job.
And how many poeple are afraid of gettin robbed.
Whoa Whoa, nobody knows.
And whoa whoa, only god knows.
Numbers escalate, wall street, crime rate.
From the Bahgdad streets, to my city by the bay.

Hey they say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

And I say, can you say what you mean?
And can you mean what you mean what you say?
And can you say what you mean?
And can you mean what you mean what you say?
And can you say what you mean?
Every single day? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Reach out a hand to somebody who needs a hand.
And reach out a heart to somebody torn apart.
Its hard, this livin, this life we've been given.
Locked in your soul, or locked up in prison.
Remember you have to reach high to be risen.
The day you let go is the day you are forgiven.

So they say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Nobody right now.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
And I say, one man got a jet fighter, and the other got a song.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

I just hope whosoever gets to become President will get this country back on it's feet. Tough task though.


Peace

Wow, that is a beautiful song. If only our leaders could see the world in this way, maybe they wouldn't be killing our soldiers and innocent iraqi civilians overseas...

Yes that's my friend Michael Franti and his band Spearhead who just released this song and album last week All Rebel Rockers. He visited Baghdad, Iraq/Israel/Palestine back in 2004 He recorded his award winning documentary *I Know I'm Not Alone*. We thought he was crazy for going but he said he had to see it for himself instead of believing what was broadcasted on the news.

Peace

TDMize15

g under p wrote:

I'll just say this....Nobody Right, Nobody Wrong by Michael Franti in choosing your side.

They say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Conflict each and every day, at home and in the streets, and in my soul every way.
Its hard to keep the faith, when I feels so far away.
Times i feel connected, times I'm runnin' away.
But Whoa Whoa, Cant you see, all the sickness, hunger, and poverty.
War on the land and war on the seas.
Whoa, War is a painful thing.
One argument that none of us can hide, is the one thats ragin down deep inside.
Tryin' to make a point, or have the last word.
But most the time people just tryin to be heard.

They say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

But how many people never eva broke a rule.
And how many people tryin to get their kids to school
And how many people prayin they only find a job.
And how many poeple are afraid of gettin robbed.
Whoa Whoa, nobody knows.
And whoa whoa, only god knows.
Numbers escalate, wall street, crime rate.
From the Bahgdad streets, to my city by the bay.

Hey they say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
It ended in a great big fight and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

And I say, can you say what you mean?
And can you mean what you mean what you say?
And can you say what you mean?
And can you mean what you mean what you say?
And can you say what you mean?
Every single day? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Reach out a hand to somebody who needs a hand.
And reach out a heart to somebody torn apart.
Its hard, this livin, this life we've been given.
Locked in your soul, or locked up in prison.
Remember you have to reach high to be risen.
The day you let go is the day you are forgiven.

So they say you got to chose your side and, when its done.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Nobody right now.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.
And I say, one man got a jet fighter, and the other got a song.
Nobody right, nobody wrong.

I just hope whosoever gets to become President will get this country back on it's feet. Tough task though.


Peace

"There's no right or wrong, but I'm sure there's good and bad" - EV

melodious

I just hope whosoever gets to become President will get this country back on it's feet. Tough task though.

We, the people.