Lady Liberty Trades In Some Trappings

BlancheBlanche Posts: 247
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
We all know by now that there are more than one representation of the Statue of Liberty throughout the world: some small, some large, some modified, like in Catalunia where Lady Liberty holds two torches (one of which asserts Catalunia's desire for independence).
But Lady Liberty holding a cross? Is this a symbol for a new crusade?
In any case, it's a fine misinterpretation of what Lady Liberty represents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/us/05liberty.html

July 5, 2006
Memphis Journal
Lady Liberty Trades In Some Trappings
By Shaila Dewan
MEMPHIS, July 4 — On Independence Day, Lady Liberty was born again.

As the congregation of the World Overcomers Outreach Ministries Church looked on and its pastor, Apostle Alton R. Williams, presided, a brown shroud much like a burqa was pulled away to reveal a giant statue of the Lady, but with the Ten Commandments under one arm and "Jehovah" inscribed on her crown.

And in place of a torch, she held aloft a large gold cross, as if to ward off the pawnshops, the car dealerships and the discount furniture outlets at the busy corner of Kirby Parkway and Winchester that is her home. A single tear graced her cheek.

It was not clear if she was crying because of her new home, her new identity as a symbol of religion or, as the pastor said, America's increasing godlessness. But although big cheers went up from the few hundred onlookers at the unveiling, and some people even wore foam Lady Liberty crowns bearing Christian slogans, she was not universally welcomed.

Most of the customers at the Dixie Queen food counter near the church viewed the statue as a cheap attention grab, said Guardia Nelson, 27, who works there.

"It's a big issue," Ms. Nelson said. "Liberty's supposed to have a fire, not a cross."

Elena Martinez, a loan officer visiting Memphis from Houston, said her family was speechless at the sight.

"The Statue of Liberty has a different meaning for the country," Ms. Martinez said. "It doesn't need to be used in a religious sense."

At the pizza place next door, Amanda Houston pronounced the combination of the Statue of Liberty and Christianity "ridiculous," though her co-worker Landon Condit was far less critical: "I can't see anything wrong with it. This is the Bible Belt."

The Statue of Liberation Through Christ, as she is called, stands 72 feet tall from the base of her pedestal to the tip of her cross. She was the idea of Mr. Williams, a very successful pastor whose church, World Overcomers, qualifies as mega: it has a school, a bowling alley, a roller rink, a bookstore and, he said, 12,000 members.

The pastor is not shy. His church has bought full-page advertisements in The Commercial Appeal, the Memphis daily, condemning homosexuality. At the World Overcomers' previous location, neighbors complained that trees were felled unnecessarily; Mr. Williams said it had to be done so that people could see the church from the road.

The statue, inspired by a Memphis church that has three giant crosses, strikes him as "a creative means of just really letting people know that God is the foundation of our nation," he said.

Mr. Williams has written several books and pamphlets analyzing a variety of matters, among them patriotism and the original intent of the founding fathers.

In "The Meaning of the Statue of Liberation Through Christ: Reconnecting Patriotism With Christianity," he explains that the teardrop on his Lady is God's response to what he calls the nation's ills, including legalized abortion, a lack of prayer in schools and the country's "promotion of expressions of New Age, Wicca, secularism and humanism." In another book, he said Hurricane Katrina was retribution for New Orleans's embrace of sin.

Mr. Williams said his statue's essential point was that Christianity should be the guiding ethos of the nation. But because the church he leads is predominantly black, as is he, there is an added dimension to the message.

In "From Slavery to Lady Liberty: Lady Liberty's African Connection: The Key to Black America's Liberation," he pointed out that the real Statue of Liberty wears a broken shackle around one ankle, and revisited evidence that the statue, a gift from France, was originally intended not to welcome immigrants but to celebrate the emancipation of slaves.

"Many blacks are not patriotic, and they are not patriotic because of the history of our nation," Mr. Williams said in an interview at the church, in the richly appointed sitting room he uses to receive visitors. "It's good for our people to know that the nation has something for them as well."

To critics who say there are better ways to spend $260,000, Mr. Williams responds that his church gives millions to the needy and says he views the statue as outreach: "I personally feel that the answer for the poor is Jesus Christ."

To celebrate the Fourth of July, a good crowd gathered on the church grounds for free hamburgers and grape soda, carnival rides, a barbecue cook-off and entertainment. Children ate sno-cones, and a small army of volunteers and members of the staff darted around on bicycles and golf carts, dressed in white polo shirts. But the main event was the unveiling, preceded by speeches, prayers and consecrations.

"I decree the spirit of conviction on this intersection," Mr. Williams boomed from a podium decorated with red, white and blue bunting. "This statue proves that Jesus Christ is Lord over America, he is Lord over Tennessee, he is Lord over Memphis."
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,928
    WOW.
    :eek:

    another symbol, hijacked.
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  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    How dare they profane a sacred symbol... oh that's right, freedom of expression, how could I forget?
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,218
    What the hell? That's ridiculous. I'd be crying too if I was her.

    'This is the Bible Belt', my ass. It's not like the Statue in NY is holding a slice, or an anal plug, or some other liberal/gay thing.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,928
    Laz wrote:
    How dare they profane a sacred symbol... oh that's right, freedom of expression, how could I forget?



    absolutely.
    didn't even suggest otherwise.....but also means i don't have to like it either.
    sure though, i fully support the right to freedom of expression, thus far i haven't seen anyone disagree. expressing displeasure does not equate disagreement with the right for one to do so.
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  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    VictoryGin wrote:
    I'd be crying too if I was her.

    lol
  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    absolutely.
    didn't even suggest otherwise.....but also means i don't have to like it either.
    sure though, i fully support the right to freedom of expression, thus far i haven't seen anyone disagree. expressing displeasure does not equate disagreement with the right for one to do so.

    I didn't say I agreed with them either...
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,928
    Laz wrote:
    I didn't say I agreed with them either...

    wasn't insinuating that you were...was merely pointing out that my displeasure does not connotate disagreement with their right to do so, nothing more.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,217
    Anyone else see any irony here? The Statue of Liberty was Made in FRANCE... the same FRANCE that many Americans hate because they refused to go along with our little war. You'd think that they'd want to send her back to her Euro-trash creators... along with the fries and toast associated with them... instead of holding up the symbols of their belief system.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,218
    Cosmo wrote:
    Anyone else see any irony here? The Statue of Liberty was Made in FRANCE... the same FRANCE that many Americans hate because they refused to go along with our little war. You'd think that they'd want to send her back to her Euro-trash creators... along with the fries and toast associated with them... instead of holding up the symbols of their belief system.


    You think they're aware she's from France?!
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,928
    Cosmo wrote:
    Anyone else see any irony here? The Statue of Liberty was Made in FRANCE... the same FRANCE that many Americans hate because they refused to go along with our little war. You'd think that they'd want to send her back to her Euro-trash creators... along with the fries and toast associated with them... instead of holding up the symbols of their belief system.



    please..irony is just too thick in some instances. i once worked in a shop with a lovely older woman originally from germany. we had a very large jewish base for customers, and in fact our shop owners were/are jewish. one day a customer came in - definitely jewish - and refused service from this associate on the basis of where she was from, obvious from her accent, and what 'she was responsible for'...smearing her for no apparent reason or actual information on her, and upsetting her terribly, etc. what was this customer buying? henkel knives...and he then proceeded to leave and get back into his mercedes. :rolleyes: talk about irony.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,218
    please..irony is just too thick in some instances. i once worked in a shop with a lovely older woman originally from germany. we had a very large jewish base for customers, and in fact our shop owners were/are jewish. one day a customer came in - definitely jewish - and refused service from this associate on the basis of where she was from, obvious from her accent, and what 'she was responsible for'...smearing her for no apparent reason or actual information on her, and upsetting her terribly, etc. what was this customer buying? henkel knives...and he then proceeded to leave and get back into his mercedes. :rolleyes: talk about irony.

    Oh dear . . .

    have you seen Sarah Silverman's "Jesus is Magic"?! :)
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,928
    VictoryGin wrote:
    Oh dear . . .

    have you seen Sarah Silverman's "Jesus is Magic"?! :)

    no.
    but now i think i must. :)
    i assume it's available on dvd?...a stand-up act, yes?
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,218
    no.
    but now i think i must. :)
    i assume it's available on dvd?...a stand-up act, yes?

    It's kind of stand-up, you'll see. You can get it through Netflix, and you're totally going to appreciate a certain part of it.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,217
    please..irony is just too thick in some instances. i once worked in a shop with a lovely older woman originally from germany. we had a very large jewish base for customers, and in fact our shop owners were/are jewish. one day a customer came in - definitely jewish - and refused service from this associate on the basis of where she was from, obvious from her accent, and what 'she was responsible for'...smearing her for no apparent reason or actual information on her, and upsetting her terribly, etc. what was this customer buying? henkel knives...and he then proceeded to leave and get back into his mercedes. :rolleyes: talk about irony.
    ...
    When I worked for a car rental agency as a teen, my bosses dad refused to get into my V.W. Bug to take him to the airport. He was in one of the work camps as a child during WWII and wanted nothing to do with anything German. I ended up taking one of the rental Pintos and driving back to the lot to get my car.
    ...
    P.S. I got a set of Henckels Four Stars.
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  • moeaholicmoeaholic Posts: 536
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    When I worked for a car rental agency as a teen, my bosses dad refused to get into my V.W. Bug to take him to the airport. He was in one of the work camps as a child during WWII and wanted nothing to do with anything German. I ended up taking one of the rental Pintos and driving back to the lot to get my car.
    ...
    P.S. I got a set of Henckels Four Stars.

    lol, a pinto. i completely forgot those cars ever existed. didn't they have a nasty tendency to suddenly catch fire?
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  • GalianaGaliana Posts: 554
    moeaholic wrote:
    lol, a pinto. i completely forgot those cars ever existed. didn't they have a nasty tendency to suddenly catch fire?

    Only if they got hit from behind.
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  • moeaholicmoeaholic Posts: 536
    Galiana wrote:
    Only if they got hit from behind.

    yeah, that's right. gracias.

    lol, a pinto. i'll be thinking about that the rest of the night.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Lady Liberty, come down and bleed on me
    You led me to believe that the streets are paved in gold

    Some tenderness, then the cold hits
    And then I come to find that the streets aren't paved at all
    There's plenty for all.

    You can either repeat conventional platitudes or else sound like you're from Neptune. -chomsky


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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,928
    Galiana wrote:
    Only if they got hit from behind.

    *bites tongue*


    *looks around for fanch*


    how a thread about lady liberty...changing lady liberty....morphed into pintos and getting hit from behind......;)



    btw VG thanks for the tip, shall definitely be added to the netflix queue.

    in regards to lady liberty, i personally don't love seeing her like that but c'est la vie. if i support andre serrano's right to create and exhibit piss chirst..i certainly can handle a bunch of bible-thumpers hijacking lady liberty. now if we want to argue the artfulness of either, entirely different story. ;)
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