Importince of an Edukashion

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edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
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Nothing new here but an interesting article that breaks down average salaries by level of education.

Bachelor’s degree pays off
People with four-year degree make about $23,000 more a year

WASHINGTON - How much is a bachelor’s degree worth? About $23,000 a year, the government said in a report released Thursday.

That is the average gap in earnings between adults with bachelor’s degrees and those with high school diplomas, according to data from the Census Bureau.

College graduates made an average of $51,554 in 2004, the most recent figures available, compared with $28,645 for adults with a high school diploma. High school dropouts earned an average of $19,169 and those with advanced college degrees made an average of $78,093.

“There appear to be strong incentives to get a college degree, given the gaps that we observe,” said Lisa Barrow, senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

The income gap narrowed slightly from five years earlier, when college graduates made nearly twice as much as high school graduates. But the differences remained significant for men and women of every racial and ethnic group.

Eighty-five percent of people 25 and older had at least a high school diploma or the equivalent in 2005, according to the Census Bureau’s 2005 Current Population Survey. In 2000, 80 percent had a high school diploma or the equivalent, and a little more than half did in 1970.

Twenty-eight percent had at least a bachelor’s degree, compared with about 24 percent in 2000 and 11 percent in 1970.

“I think we’ve done a very good job of getting individuals into college,” said Cecilia Rouse, professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University. “But we don’t fully understand why we don’t do as good a job of graduating them.”

Chester Finn, president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute in Washington, said too many high school graduates are unprepared to succeed in college.

“If you don’t emerge from high school having done at least the equivalent of advanced algebra, you are not going to be ready for college math,” Finn said. “You can make similar points about English.”

Among the other findings in the report:

* Minnesota, Utah, Montana, New Hampshire and Alaska had the highest proportions of adults with at least a high school diploma — all at about 92 percent.
* Texas had the lowest proportion of adults with at least a high school diploma, about 78 percent. It was followed closely by Kentucky and Mississippi.
* Connecticut was the state with the highest proportion of adults with at least a bachelor’s degree, nearly 37 percent. It was followed closely by Massachusetts, Maryland and New Jersey.
* Nearly 47 percent of adults in Washington, D.C., had at least a bachelor’s degree.
* West Virginia had the lowest proportion of college graduates, at 15 percent. It was followed at the bottom by Arkansas, Kentucky and Louisiana.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    How in the world are college grads averaging 50K? Is that after so many years after graduating? I can barely break 40K with my degree, and it wasn't even in liberal arts.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I got a 2:1 B.A Hon's in Philosophy and as far as employment and salary goes it has done absolutely fuck all for me. But then, I suppose i shouldn't really be surprised.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I guess Hon's is short for honors. What does the 2:1 mean? I know it's a ratio, but how can a degree be a ratio?
  • sponger wrote:
    How in the world are college grads averaging 50K? Is that after so many years after graduating? I can barely break 40K with my degree, and it wasn't even in liberal arts.

    Yeah it's speaking for everyone who has a bachelors. 60 year old managers to the newbies fresh out of school.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    It's not simply the fact that people have diplomas in hand that makes them earn more. Sure, it contributes, but it supposedly takes someone with a little higher intelligence and possibly work ethic to get a diploma and I'd guess that if we eliminated all diplomas today, the same people who are earning more would still earn more.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    know1 wrote:
    It's not simply the fact that people have diplomas in hand that makes them earn more. Sure, it contributes, but it supposedly takes someone with a little higher intelligence and possibly work ethic to get a diploma and I'd guess that if we eliminated all diplomas today, the same people who are earning more would still earn more.

    That just seems really incorrect for some reason. I think it has a lot more to do with opportunity and cost vs. benefits for the individual than intelligence and work ethic.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    sponger wrote:
    That just seems really incorrect for some reason. I think it has a lot more to do with opportunity and cost vs. benefits for the individual than intelligence and work ethic.

    I think they all play a factor and that was my point - the the piece of paper known as a diploma is not the sole reason they earn more. Some of it has to do with personal attributes...and some of the attributes that make a person succeed in college might also assist in success in business.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    I got a 2:1 B.A Hon's in Philosophy and as far as employment and salary goes it has done absolutely fuck all for me. But then, I suppose i shouldn't really be surprised.

    haha. BFA, MA here....grad school with a 4.0 GPA here....and yea. :p i think it all depends WHAT your degree is in....and what you pursue career-wise. of course, i knew this going in, so no complaints here. looking at 'degrees only'..i have never earned anywhere near what i guess i should/could?...but i just think, that's what you get when your focus is on art...and/or education.

    and yes, there are always exceptions too. my husband never went to college and he makes a very good salary...of course, after many years in. my sister took a few courses in bookkeeping, again no degree......stayed the course...and sure, makes more $$$ than what those 'advance degrees' are supposed to pull in.

    bottomline...there are many ways down the road to success...and financial success in particular, no guarantees by education alone...but it helps...and more importantly, choosing lucrative fields and working hard at it!
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    know1 wrote:
    I think they all play a factor and that was my point - the the piece of paper known as a diploma is not the sole reason they earn more. Some of it has to do with personal attributes...and some of the attributes that make a person succeed in college might also assist in success in business.

    But you said if we eliminated all diplomas today, the same people who are earning more would still be earning more. That's like saying that those who have diplomas have those diplomas because they do, in fact, have the greater work ethic and intelligence.

    And, again, I have to disagree with that.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    sponger wrote:
    But you said if we eliminated all diplomas today, the same people who are earning more would still be earning more. That's like saying that those who have diplomas have those diplomas because they do, in fact, have the greater work ethic and intelligence.

    And, again, I have to disagree with that.

    You are right. I did say that, and after thinking about it some more, I'll have to recant that statement. I do think that there are tendencies that would show up and help SOME of the people who currently have diplomas to excel above other who do not, but it wouldn't be a hard and fast rule.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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