Israeli Airstrike kills 8 Canadian Citizens

polaris

thankyougrandma wrote:

you're not in the Middle East so you're an ignorant... damn great logic isn't it? We can definitly expect more death. Criminal terrorist Israel have destroyed the link that would have made an escape possible for civillians, they've bombed without warning, so nobody was able to leave. This dead family gave a call to the fucking canadian embassy and they told them to stay put, wait, anyway there was no way out, but they had just said to their families they were feeling safe there, the day after they got bombed. Fuck.

4 MONTREAL kids between 1 and 8 years old...

as canadians - we need to take a long hard look at what we want to be on a global stage ... this pro-war anti-environment coat doesn't suit me one iota ...

thankyougrandma

polaris wrote:

as canadians - we need to take a long hard look at what we want to be on a global stage ... this pro-war anti-environment coat doesn't suit me one iota ...

We need to take a look at who we vote for. I'm disgusted at this hijack of what was called "canadians values" (i think it's when they're gone that you realize what those "values" really are/were.). This government have it's own citizens blood on their hands. Remember Harper saying how it was "restraint" and "justified" and sure wasn't about to call for a cease fire. I wouldn't expect anything else than an all condemnation of these kills from the government of Canada, i can't wait to read them... and WHERE'S JEAN CHRÉTIEN? I would like to hear something like "the only country we need to fear is the USA", in fact it's more canadians kills from americans missiles, i think we have enough now to make a stats out of it, i could write for an hour but it won't be enough to express all my disgust and SHAME....

thankyougrandma

Harper dodges questions on Israel-Lebanon crisis Mike Blanchfield, CanWest News Service; Ottawa Citizen

ST. PETERSBURG - Politically speaking, Prime Minister Stephen Harper could suffer collateral damage with the news that emerged Sunday of eight Canadian deaths in the Israeli bombing of Lebanon.

Harper refused to answer questions Sunday about the Middle East crisis after his fellow G8 leaders released their strongly worded communique on Israel's five-day bombing campaign of Lebanon. It was the second straight day the prime minister refused to address the developing crisis in any detail.

On Thursday, Harper defended Israel's right to defend itself, calling its military campaign on Lebanon which at that point included the bombing of Beirut a ''measured''response. Since then, Harper has not elaborated on that particular point in great detail, as civilian casualties in Lebanon have increased and Canadians were added to the death toll.

Meanwhile, other G8 leaders here especially U.S. President George W. Bush have moderated their initial pro-Israelstance.

''Our message to Israel is: look, defend yourself,'' Bush said Sunday. ''But as you do so, be mindful of the consequences.''

Harper approved the statement of his fellow G8 leaders Sunday that expressed concern over the ''the rising civilian casualties on all sides,''so he can say the communique reflects his views.

But such a nuanced explanation might ultimately be lost on Canada's Lebanese and Arab communities, which have condemned the prime minister's pro-Israelstance since its bombing of Lebanon began last week.

And that could have implications for his minority government's chances of making the inroads it needs in Canada's three largest urban areas - Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver - where such sentiments will not play well in their multicultural communities.

Harper had a busy day Sunday, actively participating in the discussions with his fellow G8 leaders. He also held meetings with European Union leaders before his first full bilateral meeting of the day, with fellow G8 rookie, German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Harper would not take questions from journalists on the way to his meeting with Merkel. That meant Canadians don't have a clear idea whether Harper shares the view of Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who believe Israel should show restraint in its military campaign against Lebanon, or whether he shares their view that Syria and Iran both supporters of Hezbollah are the root cause of the current crisis.

In the two days he has been in St. Petersburg, Harper has not given Canadian journalists travelling with him the opportunity to ask him any questions. And his aides say there are no guarantees he will give a closing press conference today when the G8 wraps, as is standard for the world leaders here.

Harper's aides were the first to disclose that two Mounties wounded recently in Saskatchewan had died. Would Harper be making a statement? Yes, they replied. But it came in writing.

Later on Sunday, he summoned journalists to his villa where he gave a two-minute statement, in French and English, on the Middle East crisis. And then he was whisked away without taking any questions.

Ottawa Citizen

© CanWest News Service 2006

polaris

thankyougrandma wrote:

We need to take a look at who we vote for. I'm disgusted at this hijack of what was called "canadians values" (i think it's when they're gone that you realize what those "values" really are/were.). This government have it's own citizens blood on their hands. Remember Harper saying how it was "restraint" and "justified" and sure wasn't about to call for a cease fire. I wouldn't expect anything else than an all condemnation of these kills from the government of Canada, i can't wait to read them... and WHERE'S JEAN CHRÉTIEN? I would like to hear something like "the only country we need to fear is the USA", in fact it's more canadians kills from americans missiles, i think we have enough now to make a stats out of it, i could write for an hour but it won't be enough to express all my disgust and SHAME....

i share your anger and frustration ... first thing i did this morning was send an e-mail to peter mackay ...

but i'm guessing just like the ones i've sent to harper and ambrose - they won't be responded to ...

NMyTree

thankyougrandma wrote:

you're not in the Middle East so you're an ignorant... damn great logic isn't it?...

That's not quite what was meant, by what was said the other day.

The point was, that unless you live there, you really don't know what it's like and that there are things going on there every single day, being done by both Israel and it's enemies- we never hear about.

Which in reality, encompasses all deeds and actions by Israel and it's enemies, both good and bad.

I don't think many here are denying or ignoring Israel's attrocities and the significant role they have played in the neverending wars, over there.

As I have always said (and if you can find some of my posts from over two years ago, you'd see), Israel has been just as guilty of horrific crimes against humanity and has played the bullies role.......time and time again.

Heatherj43

I am wondering how many foreigners will die before other nations get involved. When they do, it will be nastier than it is.
War is is ugly.

thankyougrandma

NMyTree wrote:

That's not quite what was meant, by what was said the other day.

The point was, that unless you live there, you really don't know what it's like and that there are things going on there every single day, being done by both Israel and it's enemies- we never hear about.

The point was that unless you live there "SPARE US YOUR ADVICE" and because i base my opinions on news sources and i'm not actually living there and sharing their point of views i'm an "ignorant". I've come up with apologies cause i understand all that, i'm not living the situation, then this Isreal girl came back calling me an ignorant again, even if i told them i understand the situation and i'm just commenting on the news i receive here. So please don't try to explain to me the "point". I get it and i didn't posted back in the thread. Although no one is going to shut me down (other than Kat or Sea)...

Now i'm waiting for these Isrealis or any other war lovers and supporters of this war to come up with a justification for the killings of 7 Canadians including 4 Montreal kids and how it is a "measured" response... i'm also still waiting for the Canadian govt. official statement about this...

cornnifer

Heatherj43 wrote:

I am wondering how many foreigners will die before other nations get involved. When they do, it will be nastier than it is.
War is is ugly.

I've been thinking the same thing. First U.S. casualty and we're all fucked.

RockinInCanada

Okay Harper better answer questions to his dumb ass comments regarding Israel deserving to attack in their deserved way. Four children or is it six Canadian children dead...the other Parliamentary parties better make this a key issue to debate and if they don't they are spineless....this has showed where Harper stands...previous PM's would have denounced both sides and shown neutrality (especially at the beginning) now we have one picking sides....

RockinInCanada

cornnifer wrote:

I've been thinking the same thing. First U.S. casualty and we're all fucked.

Better believe it...what worries me is that in coming days the US military will be involved evacuating their citizens from Lebanon and I hope to whatever is out there that a Hezbollah rocket or mis-guided Israel missle does not somewhat interfere in the process...because if it does things will get much worse....

thankyougrandma

" First learn how to spell Israel, and then live here in the Middle East for a while, Then go ahead and give out your valuable advice…"

and that one came after some apologies from me...

" 2. I was frustrated to see how little you (= the Train) know about what's really going on here, and yet still allow yourselfs to see it all in black & white. You hear about "it" and maybe read about "it". I'm living it, this is my life you are talking about. My life. Not some stupid reality show you use to see on TV.

3. I'm not offended by any of your opinions, just shocked to see on how little / wrong info you chose to base them. "

Heatherj43

cornnifer wrote:

I've been thinking the same thing. First U.S. casualty and we're all fucked.

I know! Bush will be put under so much pressure. I hope he thinks it through. Being an election year...who knows what will happen.
This could get so much worse than it is.

polaris

cornnifer wrote:

I've been thinking the same thing. First U.S. casualty and we're all fucked.

the US have no problems taking casualties ... it is good for business

cornnifer

polaris wrote:

the US have no problems taking casualties ... it is good for business

War IS business for this administration.

polaris

cornnifer wrote:

War IS business for this administration.

yup ... we can look at all the religious and historical facts all we want ... but for many people - war is good ... and these same people have lots of influence in this world ...

thankyougrandma

Heatherj43 wrote:

I know! Bush will be put under so much pressure. I hope he thinks it through. Being an election year...who knows what will happen.
This could get so much worse than it is.

Bush cannot condemn these attacks, he did the exact same thing in Iraq, he would look stupid doing so... BUT, if he ever start to "think" and say something, he's the ONLY one who can stop this violence by saying to Israel to stop these bombing, he's really the ONLY one, not the UN, not Canada, not Russia, but George Bush. Unless the involved party decide to end it all by themselves, but it's not really pointing that way...

NMyTree

thankyougrandma wrote:

The point was that unless you live there "SPARE US YOUR ADVICE" and because i base my opinions on news sources and i'm not actually living there and sharing their point of views i'm an "ignorant". I've come up with apologies cause i understand all that, i'm not living the situation, then this Isreal girl came back calling me an ignorant again, even if i told them i understand the situation and i'm just commenting on the news i receive here. So please don't try to explain to me the "point". I get it and i didn't posted back in the thread. Although no one is going to shut me down (other than Kat or Sea)...

Now i'm waiting for these Isrealis or any other war lovers and supporters of this war to come up with a justification for the killings of 7 Canadians including 4 Montreal kids and how it is a "measured" response... i'm also still waiting for the Canadian govt. official statement about this...

Interestingly, I believe you are missing the important part of that girl's message.


" I was frustrated to see how little you (= the Train) know about what's really going on here, and yet still allow yourselfs to see it all in black & white. You hear about "it" and maybe read about "it". I'm living it, this is my life you are talking about. My life. Not some stupid reality show you use to see on TV."

Try to remember that allegedly this girl is right smack in the middle of this horrific mess. So without a doubt she was/is in a very emotional and distraught state of mind. She also did state that what Israel was doing (with all the bombing) is HORRIBLE. She repeated that a few times.

Personally, I wouldn't get offended by what she said, because much of it does ring true. Despite all of the media outlets, despite all the news stories and despite what we all think we know about this situation; ultimately we are "ignorant" of all the facts and of the situation.

Without a doubt Israel is out of control and they are in "Berzerk Mode".


To make matters worse we have our resident genius (George W. Bush) absolving Israel of any responsibility, accountability and blame, whatsoever.

So the stupidity continues.............

thankyougrandma

NMyTree wrote:

Interestingly, I believe you are missing the important part of that girl's message.


" I was frustrated to see how little you (= the Train) know about what's really going on here, and yet still allow yourselfs to see it all in black & white. You hear about "it" and maybe read about "it". I'm living it, this is my life you are talking about. My life. Not some stupid reality show you use to see on TV."

Try to remember that allegedly this girl is right smack in the middle of this horrific mess. So without a doubt she was/is in a very emotional and distraught state of mind. She also did state that what Israel was doing (with all the bombing) is HORRIBLE. She repeated that a few times.

Personally, I wouldn't get offended by what she said, because much of it does ring true. Despite all of the media outlets, despite all the news stories and despite what we all think we know about this situation; ultimately we are "ignorant" of all the facts and of the situation.

Without a doubt Israel is out of control and they are in "Berzerk Mode".


To make matters worse we have our resident genius (George W. Bush) absolving Israel of any responsibility, accountability and blame, whatsoever.

So the stupidity continues.............

Yes, how many times do i need to repeat this, i have apologized about posting my opinion in this thread. I also think you're wrong, we're not ignorant because we don't live there, but we're ignorant of the feeling that these peoples are living, there's a difference between both and what disgust me is how i'm being called an ignorant for praticly advocating peace, from Hezzbolah to Israel, so yes if it makes me an ignorant, it makes me damn proud of being ignorant.

The words are there, i'm not searching around the words, "unless you live in the middle east spare us your advice", it's such a stupid logic. I'm not saying that they should shut up and stop complaining, i compatize with them, they just don't like me voicing my opinions against them since they're living it and not me, i'm all ok with that and i left the thread after apologies, but still the logic stand in their mind... oh and i'm not offended, i just add this small line to Polaris to show how illogic it was...

thankyougrandma

Harper won't criticize Israel for Canadian deaths; says escalation inevitable'

Monday, July 17, 2006

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (CP) - Thousands of stranded Canadians should be able to start getting out of war-torn Lebanon by mid-week, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday.

Speaking as the Group of Eight summit wound up, Harper also offered his condolences to the families of seven Canadians killed in an Israeli bombing raid in Lebanon, but said he was not going to be critical of Israel for defending itself.

Harper began his closing news conference with a reference to Sunday's "tragic deaths of Canadians in Lebanon."

"I want to offer my condolences to their families," the prime minister said.

The seven, from Montreal, had been visiting their families for the summer and were among dozens of civilians killed in Israeli air strikes over the last week.

Israel began bombarding Lebanon after Hezbollah guerrillas crossed into Lebanon and captured two Israeli soldiers. It wants to swap the soldiers for Hezbollah members held by Israel.

Harper said it was those kidnappings that started the conflict and that once a war starts escalation is "inevitable."

The Foreign Affairs Department in Ottawa announced Sunday that it was sending commercial ships to the region to pick up any Canadians who want to get out of the escalating violence between Israel and Lebanon.

Some 40,000 Canadians are believed trapped in Lebanon and Ottawa has been sharply criticized by relatives of the dead who complain Canadian officials had not done enough in the crisis.

"We expect to be able to evacuate people by mid-week," Harper said Monday. "We're in line with the Americans and British on that and we are working very closely with them on evacuation."

Meanwhile, Harper again refused to criticize Israel or question its use of force.

Last week, en route to Europe for his first major international conference, the prime minister called Israel's military reaction to the kidnapping of three soldiers "measured."

"I think our evaluation of the situation has been accurate," Harper insisted again Monday. "Obviously there's been an ongoing escalation and, frankly, ongoing escalation is inevitable once conflict begins."

Neither Harper nor his officials have contacted Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

"We are not going to give in to the temptation of some to single out Israel, which was the victim of the initial attack," said Harper.

© The Canadian Press, 2006

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gabers

fando y lis wrote:

Send Cindy Sheehan over there. She hates the Jews and Israel. She'll be a human shield for Hezbollah..
Let's round up some money and send this ungrateful, leftist, traitorous, malcontent over there..

My God you're obsessed with this woman. Move on please! WTF does she have to do with this??!!

Why don't we send Ann Coulter to fly an Apache?? Makes about as much sense.