The solution to smoking!

baraka

Pacomc79 wrote:

Prohibition and Bans are a proven failure.

Early education and treatment are the only tried and true preventative methods.

If logic and reason and will power fail... that's just too bad really.


Tobacco farming is still subsidised by our government while the tobacco companies are paying billions to educate the public on the dangers of the use of thier products.

At some point if Americans want to remain a "free" country, they are going to have to take some accountability for thier own actions, failures, will power and ambition or lack therof.

My thoughts exactly........Just look at the failure of the 'War on Drugs'.

I do, however, find the vaccination idea interesting.

1970RR

tybird wrote:

Great idea.....very creative solution. I would also suggest an age limit and an educational class similar to what one must attend to get a boating license.

There all ready is an age limit - 18. If its such a serious problem, why not jail underage smokers?

baraka

1970RR wrote:

There all ready is an age limit - 18. If its such a serious problem, why not jail underage smokers?

If I remember correctly, in Tybird's state, the legal age to purchase cigs is 19.

tybird

baraka wrote:

If I remember correctly, in Tybird's state, the legal age to purchase cigs is 19.

I think that you are correct...........I don't buy them, so I don't really pay that much attention.

I see no problem with fining or arresting underage smokers..........or even fining their parents/guardians. This process does occur if parents knowingly allow underage drinkers to party at their house, and someone rats on them.

jeffbr

Pacomc79 wrote:

Prohibition and Bans are a proven failure.

Early education and treatment are the only tried and true preventative methods.

If logic and reason and will power fail... that's just too bad really.


Tobacco farming is still subsidised by our government while the tobacco companies are paying billions to educate the public on the dangers of the use of thier products.

At some point if Americans want to remain a "free" country, they are going to have to take some accountability for thier own actions, failures, will power and ambition or lack therof.

Sanity! Nice to see a post which isn't proposing more government restrictions or intrusions

Skitch Patterson

jeffbr wrote:

Sanity! Nice to see a post which isn't proposing more government restrictions or intrusions

I only like my idea because part of it says "reduce the taxes" which in my state are like $2+ per pack. Which adds up to more than $150 a year.

hippiemom

Skitch Patterson wrote:

I only like my idea because part of it says "reduce the taxes" which in my state are like $2+ per pack. Which adds up to more than $150 a year.

I don't know about where you live, but I live in a middle class area (median household income around $40k), and just about every kid I see wears $100 sneakers, quite a few of my daughter's friends carry designer handbags, they get manicures and pedicures every two weeks, they're all buying prom dresses worth hundreds of dollars ... it would have to be WAY more than $150 to slow these kids down, and they're not rich.

I'm all for reducing your $2 per pack tax though

ThumbingMyWay32

Heineken Helen wrote:

Until we come up with a vaccine for the smoking addiction, we need to find a way to prevent people from starting. Yes, in this day and age, there are STILL people taking it up every day all over the world. Sooooo I have come up with what I consider to be a pretty simple solution... 'smoking permits'. You need a license to fish, own a dog, have a fucking tv... if you have a license to smoke and can't smoke without one, you can't buy them. Everyone who ALREADY smokes can apply for this permit and shops will still sell them, but only to people with a permit. If you don't have a permit, you can't buy them. If you can't buy them, you can't START smoking.

What do yas think?

If you're serious about getting people to stop smoking then just ban it. I'm tired of the government taxing the hell out of something they tell us we're addicted to. Doesn't the government have any morality left? No.

Talk about being raked over the coals...

yield2me

I think we need a permit for fat people...you have to have the permit to eat at Mcdonalds etc...after all that is the real killer in this country.

Alex_Coe

Heineken Helen wrote:

Until we come up with a vaccine for the smoking addiction, we need to find a way to prevent people from starting. Yes, in this day and age, there are STILL people taking it up every day all over the world. Sooooo I have come up with what I consider to be a pretty simple solution... 'smoking permits'. You need a license to fish, own a dog, have a fucking tv... if you have a license to smoke and can't smoke without one, you can't buy them. Everyone who ALREADY smokes can apply for this permit and shops will still sell them, but only to people with a permit. If you don't have a permit, you can't buy them. If you can't buy them, you can't START smoking.

What do yas think?

I think you're high. The gov't shouldn't be telling people what to do, even if it is dangerous.

ThumbingMyWay32

yield2me wrote:

I think we need a permit for fat people...you have to have the permit to eat at Mcdonalds etc...after all that is the real killer in this country.

lol This reminds me... Anyone watch the special on MSNBC, "Super Size Me?"

Alex_Coe

Pacomc79 wrote:

At some point if Americans want to remain a "free" country, they are going to have to take some accountability for thier own actions, failures, will power and ambition or lack therof.

Exactly. The solution is not to regulate every time you take a piss. The government that governs best governs least.

yield2me

This permit idea would also start a black market for people that didn't want to pay for the permit and for underage smokers

Obi Once

Heineken Helen wrote:

Until we come up with a vaccine for the smoking addiction, we need to find a way to prevent people from starting. Yes, in this day and age, there are STILL people taking it up every day all over the world. Sooooo I have come up with what I consider to be a pretty simple solution... 'smoking permits'. You need a license to fish, own a dog, have a fucking tv... if you have a license to smoke and can't smoke without one, you can't buy them. Everyone who ALREADY smokes can apply for this permit and shops will still sell them, but only to people with a permit. If you don't have a permit, you can't buy them. If you can't buy them, you can't START smoking.

What do yas think?

fyi: A vaccin has been made and is being tested. The permit thing (sorry) won't fly, if I have one and buy a carton, why not sell 1/2 to you?

dustinpardue

smoking rocks

YourBuddy

Well i dare people to challenge the tobacco industry....so much money ivolved they would lobby that idea down very very fast....plus think of all the jobs the tobacco industry provides, just cause their product is harmful many people rely on them for jobs. Not only in cigarette manufacturing, but Kraft foods is owned by Phillip Morris and many others.... just a thought

ThumbingMyWay32

I'll say it again...


Why is the government taxing the hell out of something they tell us is bad for our health? If it kills us why not ban it? They're using addiction as a tool for profit... That's why.

YourBuddy

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I'll say it again...


Why is the government taxing the hell out of something they tell us is bad for our health? If it kills us why not ban it? They're using addiction as a tool for profit... That's why.

That and like i said its a huge industry, and the unemployment rate would skyrocket if it were shutdown. Tobacco companies own other non-tobacco companies too, so people would lose their jobs there too

yield2me

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I'll say it again...


Why is the government taxing the hell out of something they tell us is bad for our health? If it kills us why not ban it? They're using addiction as a tool for profit... That's why.

Because you'd have to ban alcohol, firearms, cheeseburgers etc. It's not the government's place to tell us what we can and can't do to ourselves but I do think it's ok for them to tax it if people want to buy it.

puremagic

Pacomc79 wrote:

Prohibition and Bans are a proven failure.

Early education and treatment are the only tried and true preventative methods.

If logic and reason and will power fail... that's just too bad really.


Tobacco farming is still subsidised by our government while the tobacco companies are paying billions to educate the public on the dangers of the use of thier products.

At some point if Americans want to remain a "free" country, they are going to have to take some accountability for thier own actions, failures, will power and ambition or lack therof.

Morphine and heroin were all legal and unregulated. Hell cough syrup and soda pop was the shit because it contained cocaine. People could be it anywhere. When they realized the health risks and public dangers the government stepped in and made these products illegal and regulated.

The health risks with tobacco products are known, the public thinks they are a danger to non-users so why not make tobacco smoking products illegal.? The tobacco plants has other uses, they are just not as profitable. Yes, the tobacco companies would lose money, but they could take that advertising and educational money and put it to better us.

Love your signoff. I think I'll go give away some shoes.