erasing america's borders - the north american union

DPrival78

you think bush loves america? think again..

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=9aefb030-4529-475e-84f0-0aa36c75a2d0&k=13644ht

U.S. legislator warns of Bush plot to merge Canada, the U.S. and Mexico

WASHINGTON -- A U.S. legislator who backs tough anti-immigrant measures and more security at the Canada-U.S. border is warning Americans that President George W. Bush is plotting to integrate the continent.

And he says Prime Minister Stephen Harper “buys into it.”

Colorado Republican Tom Tancredo, revered by some U.S. conservatives for his efforts to staunch the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico, said this week that Bush is a dangerous internationalist.

“He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that, it’s an idea. It’s not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where the guy is really going,” he told WorldNetDaily, a controversial conservative website.
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Cosmo

That would solve that pesky 'Illegal Alien' problem that seems to bother everyone so much.

jlew24asu

how this proves bush doesnt love America is beyond me.

I'm really confused on who really wants secure borders? I dont think either party does. except maybe far right wingers.

HANKTHELANK

Yup its pretty crazy...It's the same thing that happened with the European Union, people were kept in the dark until it was too late. But there is hope, at least it is now starting to go mainstream!!

know1

I'm all for it. I think we should eliminate all borders whenever possible.

DPrival78

know1 wrote:

I'm all for it. I think we should eliminate all borders whenever possible.

yea. we can have three countries: eastasia, eurasia, and oceania. we can all plod around in blue jump suits, drinking gin and celebrating the state and worshiping our leaders. all happy little proles.. it will be great.

this whole "america" thing is getting pretty played out anyway..

to hell with sovereignty!

DPrival78

icarus wrote:

and i keep hearing about this north american union on this forum but i have yet to see anything that convinces me it would ever happen.

that's because it's being done in secret for the most part.. as far as our useless media is concerned. bush and rice, et al, have attended the meetings.. signed the papers.. this isn't a fantasy. they're moving on this, and no one in the media (outside of lou dobbs, god bless him) or in congress (except for tom tancredo) is saying anything about it.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618

enharmonic

The concept of nations is archaic at best...another mechanism of the ego.

catefrances

borders are exclusionary.

can't see a singular north american country coming into existence though.

catefrances

not to mention it's uneconomical. all that cheap mexican labour will disappear and big business won't stand for that.

Ten Dude

icarus wrote:

can someone actually show me something besides claims that shadowy people are having secret meetings, i mean like something conclusive or material?

I'm just curious here; have you heard of the Bilderberg meetings?

Ahnimus

DPrival78 wrote:

yea. we can have three countries: eastasia, eurasia, and oceania. we can all plod around in blue jump suits, drinking gin and celebrating the state and worshiping our leaders. all happy little proles.. it will be great.

this whole "america" thing is getting pretty played out anyway..

to hell with sovereignty!

Whoa, I just had a flash back to 1984!

The movie I mean, or the book, take your pick.

Ahnimus

icarus wrote:

can someone actually show me something besides claims that shadowy people are having secret meetings, i mean like something conclusive or material?

The Canadian Action Party is dead against it and well aware of it's occurance.

I know integration and eutopia seem like a good idea. The problem comes in control, with saperated nations if one falls into dictatorship (which is bound to happen) the others can constrain it. In a one-world government you have no one to turn to and you must convince billions upon billions of people to overthrow the government. Where as with separated nations a small minority would suffice.

Ahnimus

icarus wrote:

i cant see this ever happening. there were plenty of reasons for the formation of the EU, but are there any good reasons for this? most europeans were willing to join the EU, but i cant see any americans supporting this....ever.

people have been claiming for years that the politicians behind the EU were trying to create a superstate. that still hasn't happened and it looks like it wont happen. if there really are super top secret plans for the NAU then i wouldn't be surprised if its just security and economic cooperation. not this whole borderless superstate theory floating around. it sounds like politicians pointing at the extreme and using scare politics to me.

The thing is, it's not an instant change. It's manufactured to be gradual, slowly working the public into it. Nobody would accept this now, Europeans wouldn't have at the start. It's starts as NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement. The EU started as a free-trade agreement. Eventually people will be coerced into total integration and they won't even know it. The plans in motion now are to create the NAFTA Super-Highway, this will connect all of North America, including Mexico. Followed by some reserved cross-boarder land to set up international trade outposts. There is a complete system in motion. Bush, Harper and Fox meet all the time about this.

Ten Dude

icarus wrote:

yes i have, they run the world dont they

I'm not sure about them running the world, but the people who attend those types of meetings are quite influential, so who knows. :cool:

Ahnimus

icarus wrote:

you're describing economic integration that is just a little bit further than what NAFTA has done. like i said before, there's nothing that suggests any sort of superstate or 'no borders' like what a lot of people here are saying. the EU did start as an economic agreement, but most people knew further political integration would happen and a lot of people were supportive of that. the EU today still isn't any sort of superstate. although the political and economic integration is there and borders are less important, the member nations are still sovereign and anyone would be hard-pressed in arguing that the EU is a superstate. one day maybe it will become one, but who knows...

ultimately its the publics of these member nations that have ultimate control. the EU has not been able to achieve greater union because the EU Constitution has been rejected in a number of member states and others would reject it as well. britain is not able to join the single currency or greater integration due to public opinion of the EU. what makes you think that wouldn't happen here?

Well, I'm not certain it would happen in North America. However, I don't see much point in any of it. The last thing Canada needs is to make more degrading trade agreements with the U.S. We already got screwed on softwood lumber and beef.

Nothingman54

Bush and all of his people spent a week trying to come up with boarder issues, and this is what they came up with.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e311/Nothingman54/bushsplan.jpg