Ralph Nader Videos
flywallyfly
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Message to Nader:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIFEceopAUI
Ali G:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28IFaRvkJ8
Crazy woman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bryumGw45SU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIFEceopAUI
Ali G:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28IFaRvkJ8
Crazy woman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bryumGw45SU
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we don't have to vote nader to make ourselves irrelevant, we just have to be a part of the 99% of the country who aren't multibillionaires. the current people in charge don't give a shit about us.
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
Nice
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_O3MNJcls8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buMaW34iahs
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
MR. RUSSERT: Will you run for president as an independent in 2008?
MR. NADER: Let me put it in context, to make it a little more palatable to people who have closed minds. Twenty-four percent of the American people are satisfied with the state of the country, according to Gallup. That's about the lowest ranking ever. Sixty-one percent think both major parties are failing. And, according to Frank Luntz's poll, a Republican, 80 percent would consider voting for a independent this year. Now, you take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut, shut out, marginalized, disrespected and you go from Iraq to Palestine/Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bungling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts, getting a decent energy bill through, and you have to ask yourself, as a citizen, should we elaborate the issues that the two are not talking about? And the--all, all the candidates--McCain, Obama and Clinton--are against single payer health insurance, full Medicare for all. I'm for it, as well as millions of Americans and 59 percent of physicians in a forthcoming poll this April. People don't like Pentagon waste, a bloated military budget, all the reports in the press and in the GAO reports. A wasteful defense is a weak defense. It takes away taxpayer money that can go to the necessities of the American people. That's off the table to Obama and Clinton and McCain.
The issue of labor law reform, repealing the notorious Taft-Hartley Act that keeps workers who are now more defenseless than ever against corporate globalization from organizing to defend their interests. Cracking down on corporate crime. The media--the mainstream media repeatedly indicating how trillions of dollars have been drained and fleeced and looted from millions of workers and investors who don't have many rights these days, and pensioners. You know, when you see the paralysis of the government, when you see Washington, D.C., be corporate-occupied territory, every department agency controlled by overwhelming presence of corporate lobbyists, corporate executives in high government positions, turning the government against its own people, you--one feels an obligation, Tim, to try to open the doorways, to try to get better ballot access, to respect dissent in America in the terms of third parties and, and independent candidates; to recognize historically that great issues have come in our history against slavery and women rights to vote and worker and farmer progressives, through little parties that never ran--won any national election. Dissent is the mother of ascent. And in that context, I have decided to run for president.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he answers the question of why not run for senator or something for all of you who discontinuously ask
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
The point, in which Nader explained quite well in the video, was to gain national exposure and rally young people behind his cause. Nothing will get as much for both of those objectives as running for president would. Nader already has and will continue to get things done in this country....unlike certain senators who don't have one single shining accomplishment to speak of when it comes to 'getting things done' for the american people. A lot of good all those senators have been at getting stuff done. AND whenever I mentioned how I think they should have been getting stuff done like stopping the war funding, you guys all cried about how their hands are tied.:rolleyes:
So which is it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So his only route for exposure is through the presidential election cycle yet you talk constantly about how he gets no media exposure. Either you are wrong or he is a nitwit.
I'm not one of those "guys all cried about their hands tied" but that's OK. A Senator or representative can make a HUGE difference in this country. You do realize they actually write bills and laws? They are the ones that write and sponsor bills that Nader wanted. Nevermind, Nader '08.
Is there some problem you have with democracy that you only want the Dems and Reps to run for president? What exactly is your issue here?
I never said this was his only route but it's the one that works best for him to achieve what he is working towards. And getting some national press and lots of alternative source press when running for president does help further his causes and rally politically minded people behind him. But that still does not take away from the point of how the mainstream media hardly comes close to covering all the presidential candidates equally. So how are people supposed to know whether or not they might support someone when they hardly hear anything about him? Especially when polls show the majority of american people actually support Nader's platform over the mainstreamers. We're talking about the average voter here not being able to see Nader's views on the news every night NOT the young, politically aware, well read types that volunteer and rally behind Nader's causes when he's running for president. It's two completely different groups of people altogether. You're trying to compare apples and oranges to stretch a point. But yeah, you're a genius and
Ralph Nader is a nitwit. :rolleyes:
Is that what senators do, flywallyfly? I didn't realize...thank you for shedding all this light. I know what they can do in theory...now tell me what the fuck they actually HAVE DONE? Obama? Hillary? McCain? Saying that Nader would somehow get his objectives met by being elected into the senate is a copout because you don't like that he's running for president. You'd rather it just be the Dems as our only hope, i suppose. If that's not the case here then I really don't see your point. The Senate couldn't even manage to impeach the worst president we've seen thus far with an insanely low approval rating, they couldn't stop the war they all claimed they would on the campaign trail in 06, they all fall in line to re-authorize the patriot act. What have these powerful and oh so influential senators been able to do or had the balls to try to do? And how is Nader getting in there going to suddenly make his causes gain enough support from the rest of those sorry excuses for elected representatives to get passed? He'd have to have support from them to accomplish anything and they have all proven plenty of times they aren't going to do it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
maybe ppl should actually be a senator instead of winning an uncontested race then missing nearly 1/2 the votes....i don't get it...they want nader to do that?? be a freshman senator who can barely manage to make it to work??? but someone who dedicated their life to the public needs to be dead weight before being able to run...i guess i missed something to make that logic work....
what they are saying is they want him to be a feinstein...(who, i believe, has missed 0% of the votes this term, unlike obama's shoddy 40.3%)...someone who will stand up for these things and then....not be supported (to obama's defense he probably wasn't there that day)...did any of the 3 mainstream candidates support his motion to censure bush? have any of them tried to do anything other than nice sounding sound bites??
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
We are talking about an election in which Obama is also running so it is very much relevant. No one claimed you supported him so don't throw a fit.
He said running for president was a good way to get his causes out there nationally because presidential campaigns are national.
The people getting behind him aren't one who get their info from mainstream media obviously.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Everything turns into an Obama tirade with you two. I thought we were talking about Nader running for President instead of other political offices, but OK, Obama is the worst Senator ever.
I'm not throwing a fit. I'm not the one throwing F-bombs out there, lol. Obama curses more than you I bet.
I guess not running for president hurt him with all of the projects he accomplished in his life. What a joke.
It's called using a comparison. You say Nader should run for Senate. I say why and and give examples of senators who haven't done shit. You get all pissy because I brought up Obama, a senator, who hasn't done much of anything with the office and claims he can't do anything with his office because his hands are tied, which debunks your whole point. So then instead of addressing that, you choose to whine about me bringing up Obama again in an attempt to dodge my point. Bringing him up here was very valid and I've already explained why.
Running for president has brought a lot of the things Ralph Nader is working for to light among activist types who also share the same views and look further into these topics. Again, to be clear, I'm not talking about the types who get their news from the mainstream media...I'm talking about the types like you see around here and elsewhere who are actively involved and interested in politics and are very politically aware. And when more young people become more aware of his causes, more of them join them and organize together around them.
You still haven't answered my questions, though.
What's your issue with Nader choosing to run for President? Why the beef with him? Why not question every 3rd party run? Why does it matter to you if he decides running is a good idea? I'm just failing to see what your point is here and why it seems to irritate you so much. It's nothing more than living in a democracy where we have choices. If you don't like my choice, fine, don't pick it but don't sit here and act like the choice shouldn't be there in the first place. Nader is drafted to run by people who believe in him and what he stands for. Should the 2 major parties should run uncontested?? Of course other people should run.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I guess you have a valid point about using Senator Obama as an example IF you feel every Senator is as bad as he is, otherwise using Obama in your example accomplishes nothing to my argument. Senator Nader wouldnt/couldnt accomplish shit? Is that what you are saying?
I'm not the one getting pissy. You get so aggressive if anything negative is posted about Nader or anything about him is questioned. Reread your posts the last two months to see who is pissy and hateful. It seems like it is justifiable to you to attack Obama and be rude to his supporters but if anyone says anything negative about Nader you go apeshit like he is sacred.
I like Nader as an activist. I love third parties. His running yet again for President is what I have a problem with. He doesnt give a crap about the green party, he just uses them. Nader running for the third time with no hope of breaking 2% of the vote does damage to future third party runs because no one will take them seriously. It's all about his ego now and that bothers me.
I dont understand why you get soooo pissed off when anyone knocks Nader yet you continually bash Obama. That is so hypocritical.
I get pissy over your sarcasm on the issue. And I have to deal with the same shit in every Nader thread so yeah, I do act fed up and reply back accordingly. What do you expect? That I just act super sweet to you guys while you talk shit every chance you get? Your very first reply here and in other threads is to come in like a smartass. But if it makes you feel better go ahead and blame it all on me. At least I can own up to my share.
I'd be happy as shit to just address the issues, personally. And believe me, I have tried.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde