What I Would Like to See Re: Education

MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,757
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
I would like for one of the candidates or any politicians to propose a program for high schools to trade in some of their Social Studies requirements for a Personal Finance program. Students need to be taught the basics, tips, and pitfalls for personal finance, from balancing a checkbook, to investing, household budgeting, to proper use/abuse of credit.
This is probably the most important subject in our society, yet it isnt usually taught unless you have forward-thinking parents, or learn the hard-way. That is mind-boggling to me. Yes, I guess you can teach yourself, but why not drop Math from all schools so kids and young adults can teach themselves that as well.

Im a reasonably intelligent person, but never learned finance information in high school, never really researched it, my parents (good parents otherwise) never taught me finance other than credit cards were strictly forbidden (with no explaination). I got to college, ran up some debt, left college and lived above my means for a few years, made bad decisions, etc. I put myself in a nice hole which has taken me some years and luck to pull out of.

Now I believe if I was taught things I wouldnt have to learn the hard way. It seems like the country is horribly rotted right now from a lot of individuals' bad credit decisions. Yes, I realize a lot of the economy is helped by people running up the Circuit City cards, but there has to be a time where this is all scaled back drastically and I think that time is now.
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  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    I like that! Get rid of algebra in place of personal finance. Algebra 1 is fine but I don’t think everybody should be made to take it beyond that.

    Get this, it was offered when I was in high school as an extra circular class. Like it was fun to manage your check book. Ha! It should’ve been looked at as not fun, but necessary.

    While I think this would help, parents play a roll too. Teach your kids to live within your means. Just because you can’t keep up with the Jones’s doesn’t mean you’re any less of a person.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,757
    The thing with my parents is we werent the best off financially. At times it was probably the last thing my parents wanted think of, and they probably werent the best at it themselves. Never took on any credit, just lived within their own means supporting a family. Very simple. Also, many people in the US with kids obviously do not know the right way, and predictably pass their own bad habits to their kids.

    Probably some of the math things could be sacrificed. Like that logic crap and advanced algebra. Also Social Studies doesnt need to dive quite as deep as it did and I learned the same exact stuff in college.
  • iamicaiamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    I've always thought that this kind of thing should be taught in schools. Balancing a checkbook, how interest works, etc. I never learned that stuff from my parents, and as a result I ended up with a ton of credit card debt in college.
    I definitely think it should be included, even if it's only for a semester or a couple of months per school year.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    It is taught in schools (or at least was). It's usually as an elective under Business Math or Career Development.

    To the OP - You said your parents basically taught you not to use credit cards, but you went out in college and used them anyway (I'm guessing since you said you ran up debt). My question is that since you ignored the relatively simple advice given to you, would you have even applied the basics of personal finance if you'd take an class on it?

    I did take the class on it, and I ignored it for several years.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,757
    Well they never really explained whay it was that is bad. They just strongly said no. I think if I learned how interest works and how it can be a cancer on your future, I may have retained it.
    However, a lot of things I learned in Health Class: Dont drink, smoke, use drugs, I have violated at one time or another. So maybe it doesnt help. Then again, I always was somewhat responsible about that stuff, and today, I only drink occasionally.

    We never had any finance electives available, and i graduated in 1996. Maybe this is something that is working its way into the system?
  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Another part of the problem is the high cost of education in the USA.
    If kids use credit cards to afford education, and not to party, it is a crying shame they will be in debt for a good part of their lives because of that.
    It’s flat out wrong!

    (I don’t see how it’s ok to charge 100+ for a school book. Then every year they come out with a new edition that your class insist you have. Why not use that paperless book thing, Kindle?)
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  • dmitrydmitry Posts: 136
    Barack Obama and Joe Biden will double funding for personal finance education. They will also work to ensure that all children have access to a strong personal finance curriculum at all grade levels.
  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    MayDay10 wrote:
    I would like for one of the candidates or any politicians to propose a program for high schools to trade in some of their Social Studies requirements for a Personal Finance program. Students need to be taught the basics, tips, and pitfalls for personal finance, from balancing a checkbook, to investing, household budgeting, to proper use/abuse of credit.
    This is probably the most important subject in our society, yet it isnt usually taught unless you have forward-thinking parents, or learn the hard-way. That is mind-boggling to me. Yes, I guess you can teach yourself, but why not drop Math from all schools so kids and young adults can teach themselves that as well.

    Im a reasonably intelligent person, but never learned finance information in high school, never really researched it, my parents (good parents otherwise) never taught me finance other than credit cards were strictly forbidden (with no explaination). I got to college, ran up some debt, left college and lived above my means for a few years, made bad decisions, etc. I put myself in a nice hole which has taken me some years and luck to pull out of.

    Now I believe if I was taught things I wouldnt have to learn the hard way. It seems like the country is horribly rotted right now from a lot of individuals' bad credit decisions. Yes, I realize a lot of the economy is helped by people running up the Circuit City cards, but there has to be a time where this is all scaled back drastically and I think that time is now.

    I had a highschool econ class which was a complete joke. Unfortunately, I don't think a personal finance class is the answer. Maybe an actual finance class.

    And that "actual finance class" kinda addresses your second point. Credit is a must in our society. An absolute must. Saying you think it should be scaled back is not wise. One of the problems the economy is experiencing right now is the lack of liquidity or credit. I think you meant to say people need to know the repercussions with not paying a loan back. If that's the case, yes you are right.

    But, if you think credit cards, mortgages, ect are not good, I'm sorry I can't disagree more. We need credit for our economy to function. The truth is people just need to be open about what they can and can't afford. I honestly don't think a highschool class will change that in people. People just have different hyperbolic discounting rates.... that's just behavioral science.

    We actually need more math classes. That's the real answer. If you have $200 coming in over the month, you can only spend $200. Obviously, the algebra can get more complicated.... which is good. Kids need it.
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