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onelongsong

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

macgyver06

onelongsong wrote:

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

i know they dont support the troops man... its gross... but


illegal immigrants and the word lavish should never be in the same sentence.
its simply not true...they are not an issue..and are stealing from no one


ITS A LIE

genie

onelongsong wrote:

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

hey, that's clever!

mammasan

onelongsong wrote:

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

I agree that our troops are treated like fucking shit, but I think it's a bit far fetched to say that our government lavishes social benefits on illegals.

callen

onelongsong wrote:

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

And all these also apply to illegal alliens....the balls a human must have to leave his home, his language, his customs...risk they're lives...to make it better for their families is just amazing....sure as hell have more guts, determination and resolve than the average American that wines about illegals.

WMA

onelongsong wrote:

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

There is a difference between not supporting the troops and not supporting the war.

A few times Congress has tried to set timeline goals for the war with the threat of defunding, but Bush vetoes or threatens to veto anything like that.
Are timelines to complete certain goals a bad thing though?

They also tried to give the troops a pay raise, but they had an objection that it was too much:

Military Pay: The Administration strongly opposes sections 601 and 606. The additional 0.5 percent increase above the President’s proposed 3.0 percent across-the-board pay increase is unnecessary.

onelongsong

callen wrote:

And all these also apply to illegal alliens....the balls a human must have to leave his home, his language, his customs...risk they're lives...to make it better for their families is just amazing....sure as hell have more guts, determination and resolve than the average American that wines about illegals.

i got that in an email and wanted to see peoples reaction. here's my opinion:
if you've got 100 friends in a fight and they're losing; do you stop the fight by:
1) slowly removing your friends from the fight; letting the others get beaten worse until you remove all your friends dead or alive.
or do you
2) call 100 more friends and stop the fight by victory and much more swiftly.

i'd call 100 more friends. the deaths of those in the fight are on the heads of those who won't send more help.
withdrawing is for birth control. not for wars. some wars have to be won or lost.

miskin

i think immigration is an obvious consequence of us not doing enough to help developing countries.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

miskin wrote:

i think immigration is an obvious consequence of us not doing enough to help developing countries.

Why are we obligated to help developing countries? I'd prefer my money be spent on local concerns... Sorry Uganda and Paraguay! And i thought all those factories moving to Mexico years ago was plenty of help for them.

Illegal immigration is easily and cheaply preventable if the power elite actually wanted to control it, but there is too much money to be made off of cheap labor.

g under p

onelongsong wrote:

i got that in an email and wanted to see peoples reaction. here's my opinion:
if you've got 100 friends in a fight and they're losing; do you stop the fight by:
1) slowly removing your friends from the fight; letting the others get beaten worse until you remove all your friends dead or alive.
or do you
2) call 100 more friends and stop the fight by victory and much more swiftly.

i'd call 100 more friends. the deaths of those in the fight are on the heads of those who won't send more help.
withdrawing is for birth control. not for wars. some wars have to be won or lost.

That's the most ridiculus analogy I've ever read.

This is NOT a war, it's an occupation based on lies to get control of this country Iraq and the Middle East region. WHY, it has something we want and need O-I-L!

Oh may I include the various war profiteering occuring in Iraq.

Peace

Songburst

onelongsong wrote:

i got that in an email and wanted to see peoples reaction. here's my opinion:
if you've got 100 friends in a fight and they're losing; do you stop the fight by:
1) slowly removing your friends from the fight; letting the others get beaten worse until you remove all your friends dead or alive.
or do you
2) call 100 more friends and stop the fight by victory and much more swiftly.

i'd call 100 more friends. the deaths of those in the fight are on the heads of those who won't send more help.
withdrawing is for birth control. not for wars. some wars have to be won or lost.

I want the last 15 seconds of my life back.

darkcrow

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3095510.ece

— There were 34.2 million immigrants in the US in 2004; 18.3 million came from Latin America, 8.7 million from Asia and 4.7 million from Europe

— There are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants across the US, 1 in 20 of the working population

— Illegal immigrants contributed $8.5 billion in social security and Medicare funds last year, and almost $50 billion in federal taxes from 1996 to 2003

— In 1970 Iowa published a treatise, Iowa: The Home for Immigrants – its purpose to “induce thousands to find homes within the borders of Iowa”

— Schools in Storm Lake, northwest Iowa (the city with the highest percentage of Hispanic people in Iowa) are 49 per cent Hispanic, 10 per cent Asian and 4 per cent African-American

— In 2000, when Governor Tom Vilsack announced immigrant recruitment, a Des Moines Register poll indicated that 58 per cent of Iowans opposed encouraging immigration

— In 2006, President Bush proposed an overhaul of US immigration laws. It was opposed by Republicans, who backed its tougher security measures but opposed efforts to grant citizenship to illegal immigrants

Sources: uiowa.edu; nh.gov; census.gov; National Immigration Law Centre; Times archives

Commy

onelongsong wrote:

i got that in an email and wanted to see peoples reaction. here's my opinion:
if you've got 100 friends in a fight and they're losing; do you stop the fight by:
1) slowly removing your friends from the fight; letting the others get beaten worse until you remove all your friends dead or alive.
or do you
2) call 100 more friends and stop the fight by victory and much more swiftly.

i'd call 100 more friends. the deaths of those in the fight are on the heads of those who won't send more help.
withdrawing is for birth control. not for wars. some wars have to be won or lost.

IF your 100 friends started the fight and were losing, the right course of action would be withdrawal.

onelongsong

miskin wrote:

i think immigration is an obvious consequence of us not doing enough to help developing countries.

WHAT? mexico is not a poor country. it is rich in gold and oil. the problem is their dictator. he owns everything while he shits on the people. the only way to develope mexico is to invade it; and redo their entire government. our attempts to "develope" it left us with a loan that will never be repaid and mexico got oil fields.
america needs to keep to american business.

Commy

onelongsong wrote:

WHAT? mexico is not a poor country. it is rich in gold and oil. the problem is their dictator. he owns everything while he shits on the people. the only way to develope mexico is to invade it; and redo their entire government. our attempts to "develope" it left us with a loan that will never be repaid and mexico got oil fields.
america needs to keep to american business.

The dictator of Mexico recieves tacit support from Washington. It is the way the empire wants it to be. It allows corporations like COke to build factories and use the cheap labor to produce their products.-on a side note, over 100 would-be labor organizers in the corporation have been "dissapeared".

onelongsong

Commy wrote:

IF your 100 friends started the fight and were losing, the right course of action would be withdrawal.

i'm willing to fight the enemy here. are you?

Commy

onelongsong wrote:

i'm willing to fight the enemy here. are you?

By here you mean Iraq. The people of Iraq are taken the fallout from this 'fight'.

Al queda had no presence in IRaq...the empire wasnt' really sure where they were. So they attacked Iraq, knowing al queda would come, so they now have a battlefield on which to fight them. THE one glaring problem with this is that Iraq has become the battlefield...the cities the desert, the peopl of IRaq live in fear and brutality so the US can pick on one of the few groups left that have attempted to fight back against the bully.

romybian

onelongsong wrote:

WHAT? mexico is not a poor country. it is rich in gold and oil. the problem is their dictator. he owns everything while he shits on the people. the only way to develope mexico is to invade it; and redo their entire government. our attempts to "develope" it left us with a loan that will never be repaid and mexico got oil fields.
america needs to keep to american business.

that reminded me of a joke....
1 american> a martini
2 americans> a corporation
3 americans> an invasion

macgyver06

onelongsong wrote:

i'm willing to fight the enemy here. are you?

they arent the enemy unless they are fought on friendly or home ground.

WE ARE THE ENEMY IN THE MIDDLE EAST
AND WE ARENT GOING TO WIN ANYTHING AND ITS NOT PRESIDENT BUSH'S INTENTION TO WIN ANYTHING.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

romybian wrote:

that reminded me of a joke....
1 american> a martini
2 americans> a corporation
3 americans> an invasion

i dont get it.

oh wait now i do. THe numbers were confusing me. I thought you were making a list or saying Americans were greater than stuff.

melodious

macgyver06 wrote:

i know they dont support the troops man... its gross... but


illegal immigrants and the word lavish should never be in the same sentence.
its simply not true...they are not an issue..and are stealing from no one


ITS A LIE

i knew i liked your thinking style...

i do think it's a shame though how our brothers and sisters are being shunned for the service they gave with best of intent...

Collin

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and say they knew what they signed up for when they took the job.

They knew they'd have to travel miles in the heat.
They knew they were going to risk their lives.
They knew they wouldn't get paid enough wages.
They knew the dangers of their job.
They knew the conditions in which they have to live.
They knew they'd rarely see their families but face adversity and calamity all day every day.

melodious

Do you really think "they" knew what they were really getting into?

Collin

melodious wrote:

Do you really think "they" knew what they were really getting into?

Are you familiar with the term 'the devil's advocate'?

Are/were they informed? It's an interesting question. I should hope at least more than half of them were adequately informed about what they were getting into.

melodious

advocate? devil????

i am afraid, i am not familiar with the owner of advocate, what about you???

in the meantime, try shining some of this:

http://lightmovie.com/

great topic; i only put up a comment to get subscribed.
(hope you enjoy the side step)

Collin

melodious wrote:

advocate? devil????

i am afraid, i am not familiar with the owner of advocate, what about you???

in the meantime, try shining some of this:

http://lightmovie.com/

great topic; i only put up a comment to get subscribed.
(hope you enjoy the side step)

Thanks for the video (I don't have sound on my computer, though, so I might have missed the audio effect, if there was, in fact, an audio effect).

melodious

Well, then, we must both be in a minority, becasue I didn't get to hear the audio, myself..You are more than welcome...sending LIGHT, in the most divine sense...

thank you for this pleasant exchange....

Uncle Leo

onelongsong wrote:

i got that in an email and wanted to see peoples reaction. here's my opinion:
if you've got 100 friends in a fight and they're losing; do you stop the fight by:
1) slowly removing your friends from the fight; letting the others get beaten worse until you remove all your friends dead or alive.
or do you
2) call 100 more friends and stop the fight by victory and much more swiftly.

i'd call 100 more friends. the deaths of those in the fight are on the heads of those who won't send more help.
withdrawing is for birth control. not for wars. some wars have to be won or lost.

Why slowly remove them?

3) Remove them all immediately.

MrBrian

onelongsong wrote:

i'm willing to fight the enemy here. are you?

Who, the CIA? our own government? fight on brother!

g under p

onelongsong wrote:

WHAT? mexico is not a poor country. it is rich in gold and oil. the problem is their dictator. he owns everything while he shits on the people. the only way to develope mexico is to invade it; and redo their entire government. our attempts to "develope" it left us with a loan that will never be repaid and mexico got oil fields.
america needs to keep to american business.

They have the world's richest man who is from Mexico so things can't be that bad. They have America on it's side when we become a Union some years in the future.

Peace

angryyoungman

onelongsong wrote:

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans;
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

if they dont want to support them why dont they get them the fuck out of there. . .i dont understand it. . .i want to be the minority. . .i dont need your authority. . .down with the moral majority. . .cause i wanna be the minority. . .dont mind me, ive been drinking. . .but seriously lets bring our troops home, its just fucking ridiculous at this point