Minutemen Seek Recruits. Government Helps.
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PHOENIX, AZ fox news reports that the city of prescott is helping the minutemen recruit new members do to the number of illegals standing on the streets for day labour.
in other news: the military requires troops returning from iraq to do a 3 month tour patrolling the border.
in other news: the military requires troops returning from iraq to do a 3 month tour patrolling the border.
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Ok, not to be ignorant, but what's a minutemen?
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About the Minuteman Project
The Minuteman Project is not a call to arms, but a call to voices seeking a peaceful and respectable resolve to the chaotic neglect by members of our local, state and federal governments charged with applying U.S. immigration law.
It is a call to bring national awareness to the decades-long careless disregard of effective U.S. immigration law enforcement. It is a reminder to Americans that our nation was founded as a nation governed by the "rule of law," not by the whims of mobs of ILLEGAL aliens who endlessly stream across U.S. borders.
Accordingly, the men and women volunteering for this mission are those who are willing to sacrifice their time, and the comforts of a cozy home, to muster for something much more important than acquiring more "toys" to play with while their nation is devoured and plundered by the menace of tens of millions of invading illegal aliens.
Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."
The result: political, economic and social mayhem.
Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America.
http://www.minutemanproject.com/default.asp?contentID=2
that was absolutely beautiful jlew. thank you for that.
just call and i'll be there in a minute.
(sorry; i couldn't resist. jlew said it best.)
WOW!! Thanks for that jlew. It's really interesting. So the idea is not to harm people but to encourage them not to cross the border into American territory right?
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Well I didn't get that impression from the information you supplied, but then I've only got the information that you supplied and the original post to go by because it's all news to me.
If the organization is as it purports to be then I think it's a good idea as long as no one gets hurt. And that's either the minutemen or the illegals.
It's a shame that governments aren't coming up with better solutions to illegal immigration though.
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the minutemen are NOT armed. that's another group we don't talk about. i saw an interview with some of them and they said they'd gladly pick veggies for $3.00/hr. it's better than $0/hr. their families are starving on the little help the government gives.
So as you know, I've been very busy, haven't had much time to read all the information that jlew supplied, but the gist of this is that these people are volunteers then? Is that right?
Gee now that I think about it it's really a complicated little arrangement. Like how do the know people are illegal? Do they have the powers to request papers? Do they have the powers to arrest?
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Then, what's stopping them from getting these jobs picking vegetables? I don't think you need a college degree, solid work experience or trustworthy references to pick onions from dawn til dusk. Tell those people to take those jobs and put the illegals out of work instead of continually bitching about it.
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Unarmed as in they carry guns on their belts:
http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/images/minuteman.jpg
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/05_Global/05_Global_pics/050407.Minuteman.jpg
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Sorry Cosmo, I can't really see much in those pics. The first one looks, from his T-shirt to be a bit dodgy but who could really tell? It's just a T-shirt after all. The gun, I guess must be over on the shady side of the pic.
And the second one, is that really a gun? Looks more like a mobile phone or walky talky.
Still not really any closer to knowing much about them.
Anyway, thanks for posting them.
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UPDATE: Two audio reports from Campo, CA on 2005-07-31:
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/6263.php
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/6264.php
Two migrant people were shot under mysterious circumstances last week in the border region where the Minutemen have been patrolling. One was shot in Mexico and one was shot inside the US. While "Mexican authorities" have claimed that "bandits" were behind it, the victims were quick to point out that nothing was stolen from them. This strange circumstance is added to by the fact that these "bandits" used laser scopes to target their victims.
Numerous calls have been made to the sheriff in Campo, CA, but still no investigation is taking place. In addition, James Chase admits to transporting undocumented people, which is a crime, but he is also not having charges pressed against him, unlike the volunteers in Ariznoa who were sent to jail for taking migrants in critical condition to a hospital. Many are saying, "Chase and Co. MUST be investigated". Gente Unida held a press conference on Friday, July 29th to address this issue.
To contact the sheriff, Phone: (619) 478-5378 Fax: (619) 478-9076 or go to: http://www.sdsheriff.net/rural/substations_campo.html
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http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/110168.shtml
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Keywords: Local, Human Rights, Immigration,
Univision video in 2 parts on the Minutemen "incident" at Columbia University.
If the links don't work, try entering "univision" and "minutemen" in the search box
at youtube.com.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N41eXtVK7hA&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwqPRmlb3Xg&NR
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Going Lawless
Border Guardians leader calls for violence
By Susy Buchanan and David Holthouse
April 19, 2006 -- A prominent anti-immigration leader has secretly urged the nation’s largest neo-Nazi group to launch a campaign of violence and harassment against undocumented workers in the United States.
Laine Lawless, who started a group called Border Guardians last year, sent an April 3 e-mail to Mark Martin, "SS commander" of the Western Ohio unit of the National Socialist Movement, which has 59 chapters in 30 states. It was titled, "How to GET RID OF THEM!"
The e-mail from Lawless, who was also an original member of Chris Simcox’s vigilante militia before it morphed into the Minuteman Project in early 2005, detailed 11 suggestions for ways to harass and terrorize undocumented immigrants, including robbery and "beating up illegals" as they leave their workplace.
"Maybe some of your warriors for the race would be the kind of people willing to implement some of these ideas," Lawless wrote. "I’m not ready to come out on this. ... Please don’t use my name. THANKS."
At the request of Lawless, who declined to respond to questions from the Intelligence Report, Martin posted her suggestions to a number of neo-Nazi bulletin boards. Those suggestions included:
"Steal the money from any illegal walking into a bank or check cashing place."
"Make every illegal alien feel the heat of being a person without status. ... I hear the rednecks in the South are beating up illegals as the textile mills have closed. Use your imagination."
"Discourage Spanish-speaking children from going to school. Be creative."
"Create an anonymous propaganda campaign warning that any further illegal immigrants will be shot, maimed or seriously messed-up upon crossing the border. This should be fairly easy to do, considering the hysteria of the Spanish language press, and how they view the Minutemen as ‘racists & vigilantes.’"
The Report contacted Lawless for comment, sending her copies of her own e-mails that included their original headers, as she requested. But after receiving the copies, Lawless refused to talk.
Lawless, the former high priestess of Sisterhood of the Moon, a lesbian pagan organization, has been heavily involved in anti-immigration extremism since 2004, when she joined Simcox's Civil Homeland Defense outfit, as it was then called. That same year, she invited militia members to her private ranch in Cochise County, Ariz. "I coordinate with Chris [Simcox], so anyone who wants to come is welcome," she wrote in a post to an online user group, "Border War" which was reposted on sites such as "A Well Regulated Militia."
Lawless was featured in numerous media reports on the first Minuteman Project campaign in April 2005, and has patrolled side-by-side with Minuteman vice-president Carmen Mercer. Lawless also traveled to Texas to join the Texas Minutemen in October, when she was quoted in The Austin Chronicle saying she gets an "intellectual and political orgasm" from spying on pro-immigration groups. In that interview, she accused one pro-immigration activist of inserting chants of "White Power!" into an audiotape of Minuteman rallies to discredit the movement.
This March 29 and 30, Lawless was quoted on CNN attacking a humanitarian group that leaves food and water for people crossing the Sonora Desert to illegally enter the United States.
In April, just six days after Lawless e-mailed her suggestions to neo-Nazi Mark Martin, Border Guardians made national news when Lawless and other members burned a Mexican flag in front of the Mexican Consulate in Tucson, where Lawless’ group is based. Before the flag was set aflame, Lawless held a press conference.
"As always, Border Guardians remains committed to only lawful actions to combat illegal immigration," she said. "We are committed to practice only peaceful, lawful action in defense of our country."
Her e-mail the prior week to the National Socialist Movement, however, clearly revealed a darker agenda. "There are several tactics, some legal and some not-so," she wrote. "Sabotage the things they like: entertainment, food, beer... . BRAVO to the person who cut down the Spanish language radio station towers just North of Phoenix! Now that sends a message!"
That April 3 E-mail was not the only contact between Lawless and the NSM. In that e-mail, she writes of leaving a voicemail message on the NSM’s hotline. And, in an earlier e-mail to NSM commander Martin dated March 6, she congratulated the NSM on provoking a riot in Toledo, Ohio, in October 2005. "I still think those riots were wonderful!" Lawless wrote.
The contact between Lawless and the NSM is not the first evidence to emerge of overlapping Minuteman and neo-Nazi membership. A few members of the National Alliance and Aryan Nations signed up with the original Minuteman Project in April 2005, and at least two frequent contributors to the white supremacist website Stormfront volunteered for Minuteman co-founder Jim Gilchrist’s failed Congressional campaign.
Like Lawless, Martin would not comment for this story. But he did offer this tagline when he forwarded Lawless’ suggested tactics to other neo-Nazis: "The information contained in this email is Racially and Religiously privileged and confidential. It is intended for specific Aryan recipients only."
Anthony Griggs contributed to this report.
Intelligence Report
Summer 2006
Read the e-mail
The text of the e-mail from Border Guardians leader Laine Lawless to "SS commander" Mark Martin is available in a downloadable
PDF.
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The first one is unclear... but, it looks like a holstered gun on his belt. The second one is definately an holstered semi-automatic pistol (possibly a 9mm).
These are a little bit clearer.
http://arizona.indymedia.org/uploads/gun.gif
http://marccooper.typepad.com/photos/minuteman_project/aammp_136.jpg
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Remember... these guys are in Arizona... where i think it's illegal NOT to carry a gun.
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Ok, well thanks for that Cosmo. I'll have to take your word for it because I really don't see that many guns in day to day life here. So there's a bunch of fellas here you've posted that are carrying guns. And I so do not wish to antagonise you or anyone here, but what is the point? This seems to be a very big issue that I've stumbled across. So these guys that you have posted are supposed to be in this Minuteman thingy and they carry guns? And this is bad because? NOT that I'm a fan of guns. But carrying one means nothing. USING it on the other hand is an entirely different thing. And I'm sorry but I have no idea what the law is in Arizona with regard to guns, so can't confirm or deny that. So anyway, tell me what you think about it all. If you don't mind. I'm still mystified.
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I'm as big a border security guy as they come, but I'm a little squeamish about a bunch of gun-packing schmoes wandering the borders looking for Mexicans.
Border security needs to be left to properly trained professionals. We don't let civilians wander the streets of the cities fighting crime (unless they are Batman). Why would we allow them to wander the borders fighting illegal immigration?
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There are cops where you are... right? Check out the holstered pistols on their belts.
And yeah... these pictures are from the Minuteman thing in the Arizona desert... they weren't snapped at the local swap meet.
The point... the point is to counter the statement that they are 'unarmed individuals'. I am simply providing a counter point, validated with photos.
As for carrying a gun... If I'm going to go out into the middle of the goddamn desert to confront unknown individuals... I'm taking a gun with me. The only difference is... I'm not going out to the middle of the fucking desert to confront unknown individuals.
If these guys want to play Mr. Border Patroller... then, they can get their asses deputiuzed and trainned and fall under the command and control of the U.S. Border Control agency. I don't think a bunch of yahoos wandering around in he desert with guns is a good thing.
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And not to worry... you are not antagonizing me. You asked... someone gave you and answer... I am questioning his response and providing a counter point. That's all.
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Yeah, I would have those concerns too slightofjeff, but if they are able to wander the borders "looking" for Mexicans, and they aren't being stopped then wouldn't that tend to indicate that there are no properly trained professionals patrolling the border? I mean, if this is a bad thing, and it's not sanctioned by the government, then why then has the government not stopped it?
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Yes, we have cops Cosmo. My point was that in the first shot you posted I couldn't see the gun, in the second shot you posted I didn't recognise what you are saying is a gun, as a gun. And in none of the pictures you posted have I any way of knowing that the guys with guns are actually in the Arizona desert and participating in this Minuteman activity that everyone seems to be saying is bad. I'm not saying they aren't and I'm not saying they are. I'm simply pointing out that so far I have seen several shots of men with guns or maybe with guns and this still doesn't prove conclusively that they are a) in the desert in Arizona or b) that they are using their guns to inflict violence on anyone. I don't think a bunch of yahoos wandering around the desert with guns is a good thing either. I certainly under no circumstances would condone them using violence as a deterant for people crossing the border illegally. So why is it that they aren't being deputized and trained as border patrollers? Why is it that they are continuing this activity? How are they able to continue this activity if it is apparent that it is dangerous to themselves and others? And as Arizona is adjacent to Mexico, does this mean that this a crossing point for large numbers of illegal immigrants and therefore too large a boundary for the existing sanctioned border patrollers to patrol effectively? And if so what is the government planning to do to rectify the situation? Just questions that came up Cosmo, again not antagonizing, just trying to understand.
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Thanks Leila, this lot doesn't sound like a particularly good bunch of people.
Extremists always disturb me.
So what this woman is saying seems in direct conflict to the mission statement for the Minutemen that was posted by jlew.
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the government WON'T protect the border because they are trying to get rid of it.http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13854.htm
so as a citizen it's your constitutional DUTY to protect your country!!!all CIVILIANS are also militia.so no one needs to ALLOW us to defend our borders.
also this topic blows holes through the whole terrorism lie.they want you to have a national I.D.,they want DNA samples and bio-metrics,micro-chips in your passport etc.,etc.,etc. yet there is a fucking red carpet on our borders with droves of illegals coming in everyday,yet the government is not concerned about it.we could have that whole fucking thing locked down if they really wanted to.
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