Good to see a socialist nation's view on free speech

Drew263
Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/121 ... re+Muslims


Banning words? Yeah, that SCREAMS freedom.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Drew263 wrote:
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/12172/Brown:+Don't+say+terrorists+are+Muslims


    Banning words? Yeah, that SCREAMS freedom.
    ...
    I would file this under the heading; "So What?"
    ...
    I'm not concerned what terms British Parliment decides to use. The impact on my life... Diddly Squat.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    link doesn't work....

    What does socialism have to do with free speech?
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    blackredyellow wrote:
    link doesn't work....

    If you copy and paste it, it does.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    blackredyellow wrote:
    link doesn't work....

    What does socialism have to do with free speech?
    ...
    basic premise:
    "Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in *connection with the *terrorism crisis."
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  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I would file this under the heading; "So What?"
    ...
    I'm not concerned what terms British Parliment decides to use. The impact on my life... Diddly Squat.

    Here's the point..we're not far behind.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    So the head of the government told members of the government not to use "Muslim" and "War on Terror." I have to say I agree with the second one. But that's beside the point. How is this a violation of free speech? I assume British citizens can still say whatever they want - and members of the British government when not acting in an official manner. I imagine Bush banned "fucking moon-worshiping savages" from official government use. Have our free speech rights been violated? Well, at least in that respect?
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    RainDog wrote:
    So the head of the government told members of the government not to use "Muslim" and "War on Terror." I have to say I agree with the second one. But that's beside the point. How is this a violation of free speech? I assume British citizens can still say whatever they want - and members of the British government when not acting in an official manner. I imagine Bush banned "fucking moon-worshiping savages" from official government use. Have our free speech rights been violated? Well, at least in that respect?

    I agree with you. Now I'm off to enjoy my French fries. Freedom fries, yes, freedom fries that's what I meant!
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  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    blackredyellow wrote:
    link doesn't work....

    What does socialism have to do with free speech?

    It does work.

    These types of govt's are prone to this type of action. Banning words which doesn't exactly lend itself to open thought and discussion. So, where does it go from here?

    When will the US start following this trend? I believe I saw recently where the city of NY banned the N-word. I could be wrong, but hypothetically speaking..that is the start. Sure, the N-word is disgusting, but what thought control policies will be implemented next?

    Banning words, Fairness Doctrine..all this shit is an attack on individual freedoms. I can't help but to wonder why liberals don't fight these things more..til I remember two things.

    1. Liberals aren't actually for free thought and discussion.
    2. Things being banned or suppressed are beneficial to liberals.
  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    RainDog wrote:
    So the head of the government told members of the government not to use "Muslim" and "War on Terror." I have to say I agree with the second one. But that's beside the point. How is this a violation of free speech? I assume British citizens can still say whatever they want - and members of the British government when not acting in an official manner. I imagine Bush banned "fucking moon-worshiping savages" from official government use. Have our free speech rights been violated? Well, at least in that respect?

    So we're ok with banning words that our public officials can use now? Wow...

    This world is going to shit.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Drew263 wrote:
    So we're ok with banning words that our public officials can use now? Wow...

    This world is going to shit.

    It's part of an attempt to improve community relations. If Brown thinks this will make a difference, why not?
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Drew263 wrote:
    It does work.

    These types of govt's are prone to this type of action. Banning words which doesn't exactly lend itself to open thought and discussion. So, where does it go from here?

    When will the US start following this trend? I believe I saw recently where the city of NY banned the N-word. I could be wrong, but hypothetically speaking..that is the start. Sure, the N-word is disgusting, but what thought control policies will be implemented next?

    Banning words, Fairness Doctrine..all this shit is an attack on individual freedoms. I can't help but to wonder why liberals don't fight these things more..til I remember two things.

    1. Liberals aren't actually for free thought and discussion.
    2. Things being banned or suppressed are beneficial to liberals.

    HEHEHE. It's the fault of liberals. Gotcha. Didnt your buddy Bush go out of his way to do this same thing when he kept preaching that Islam is a religion of peace?
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Drew263 wrote:

    1. Liberals aren't actually for free thought and discussion.
    2. Things being banned or suppressed are beneficial to liberals.

    Please give some examples to backup this dribble.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Did I miss something when I was asleep? Did Britain become a socialist nation overnight as Drew claims? Jesus, I need to pay more attention.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    uhhh ... wtf does this have to do with socialism?? ... great to see that right wing types have something to rail upon with all this bad press from this bush fella ...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    polaris wrote:
    uhhh ... wtf does this have to do with socialism?? ... great to see that right wing types have something to rail upon with all this bad press from this bush fella ...

    I don't get it either but times are real dry for the Bushies so we'll just have to play along.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Drew263 wrote:
    So we're ok with banning words that our public officials can use now? Wow...

    This world is going to shit.
    Yes, I'm O.K. with requiring our public officials to follow mandated decorums when operating in an official capacity. And you're O.K. with that too, whether you admit it or not.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Drew263 wrote:
    Banning words, Fairness Doctrine..all this shit is an attack on individual freedoms. I can't help but to wonder why liberals don't fight these things more..til I remember two things.

    1. Liberals aren't actually for free thought and discussion.
    2. Things being banned or suppressed are beneficial to liberals.
    And I tell ya, the cacophonies of conservatives fighting to repeal Bush's "free speech zones" was deafening. Oh, that's right. Slap the word "security" on something and all bets are off.

    But there was that conservative outrage over Ashcroft wanting to cover nude statues. Oh, that's right. That one involved sex, so Ashcroft was really just trying to protect the children. No harm there.

    Well, at least they were pissed at Rumsfeld when he said that we all need to start watching what we say, so as not to embolden the enemy. No? Oh, that's right - the security thing again.

    Damn. This free speech thing is hard. Good thing conservatives got it all protected. Protected. That's what you call something that's locked away from unsavory eyes, right?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I don't get it either but times are real dry for the Bushies so we'll just have to play along.

    oh ... ok ... :p

    sorry ... continue on then ...
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Drew263 wrote:
    Here's the point..we're not far behind.
    Well, we may not be far behind on the free speech issue but we're definitely far behind on socialism...
  • Blanche
    Blanche Posts: 247
    It's not a matter of banning words. I think Brown is trying to prevent stereotyping.

    The ETA, the FLNC, the IRA, Carlos the Jackal... not Muslim.

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