Remember, don't live with blinders on..

Ahnimus

surferdude wrote:

Gore's gluttonous use of green energy prevents others from doing the same. Gore is part of the problem. The carbon neutral strategy is part of the problem. Both are purely ventures designed to lead us away from real solutions and just provide a new source of income for some while providing nothing tangible in return. The only return to people in general is that now gluttonous users of energy can assuage their guilt and continue to indulge in a lifestyle that is harmful to us all.

It may very well be that Gore's solutions aren't optimal. However, none of these think tanks are providing alternative solutions. A success tip I picked up from Covey, was to never create problems, but to provide solutions. In other words if you discover a problem, develope a solution, or prove with data that Global Warming does not exist.

But Gore is not being hypocritical. If he was selling bottled water and water filters and encouraging people to drink water while buying his own water. Would that make him a hypocrite? No. If he had a glass of wine over dinner, would that make him a hypocrite? No.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

How can people overpopulate? What does this mean? Does it mean we were underpopulated previously? Population is a fact, facts are neither over or under. A population is either sustainable or not. Sustainability is not in a reciprical relationship with population.

We've never had fewer people as a percentage suffering from malnutrition or dieing of disease at young ages. People seem to be doing okay. We are working on long term solutions to what we see as coming problems. We adapt to change at a ferocious rate.

I'm sure you've heard about the birds and the bees and what happens to make babies.

When farm waste contaminates drinking waters and people get sick that's a problem. When animlas have to be raised in cramped conditions that defy the laws of nature...that's a problem.

When the creatures of the lakes and oceans are considered toxic and 90% of the big fish in the oceans are no longer alive here because we ate and/or killed them all... that's a problem.

I think some reading on your behalf might be required for a better understanding of man's impact on the planet. It's pretty obvious and it's exponential.

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm sure you've heard about the birds and the bees and what happens to make babies.

When farm waste contaminates drinking waters and people get sick that's a problem. When animlas have to be raised in cramped conditions that defy the laws of nature...that's a problem.

When the creatures of the seas and oceans are considered toxic and 90% of the big fish in the oceans are no longer alive here because we ate and/or killed them all... that's a problem.

I think some reading on your behalf might be required for a better understanding of man's impact on the planet. It's pretty obvious and it's exponential.

Maybe remedial reading comprehension classes are required on your end. At no point have I ever stated people aren't impacting their environment.

I'd say if animals (a part of nature) can be raised presumeably by people (a part of nature) in ways that are outside the laws of nature then we do not know what the laws of nature are. And at that point we should shut up about these laws as we don't know what we are talking about.

Every species lives off the dead in one form or another. Some people find fault when humans do this. I'm not interested in trying to make us the one species that doesn't. I'm much more interested in finding ways to sustain our population even if it's a growing population.

And as far as reading up on man's impact on the environment I work in a field that is dedicated to being part of the solution. Looking for ways to be more efficient and use less resources in producing an alternative to the automobile. So far I've (and full kudos to the people I work with and the company I work for) provided some very tangible and well documented results. But I'm sorry, what's your line of work? And how is it helping the environmental challenges we are facing?

Ahnimus

American - of or pertaining to the United States of America or its inhabitants: an American citizen.

Nope not me, never will be.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

Maybe remedial reading comprehension classes are required on your end. At no point have I ever stated people aren't impacting their environment.

I'd say if animals (a part of nature) can be raised presumeably by people (a part of nature) in ways that are outside the laws of nature then we do not know what the laws of nature are. And at that point we should shut up about these laws as we don't know what we are talking about at that point.

Every species lives off the dead in one form or another. Some people find fault when humans do this. I'm not interested in trying to make us the one species that doesn't. I'm much more interested in finding ways to sustain our population even if it's a growing population.

And as far as reading up on man's impact on the environment I work in a field that is deicated to being part of the solution. Looking for ways to be more efficient and use less resources in producing an alternative to the automobile. So far I've (and full kudos to the people I work with and the company I work for) provided some very and well documented results. But I'm sorry, what's your line of work? And how is it helping the environmental challenges we are facing?

You seem very angry and uptight about something. I hope you can figure out what is causing it and de-stress.

I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of living in cramped quarters and what that does to longevity, disease, stress hormones, hostility and the quality of life.

When certain things like this are no longer in balance, problems arise both internally and externally. We haven't "out evolved" this reality yet.

Depends what one considers normal I suppose.

Declining/decimated fish stocks. Deforestation. Depletion of soil mineral quality from extensive over farming. Overcrowding in cities. Suburbia.

Is there any traffic where you live?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

American - of or pertaining to the United States of America or its inhabitants: an American citizen.

Nope not me, never will be.

lol...

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You seem very angry and uptight about something.

I'm a very upbeat guy. Again, I think you should think about that remedial reading comprehension class. Again, you've seemed to have read want you want to be there rather than what is. But I'll leave that decision up to you.

I occassionally get frustrated for a moment or two by people who know next to nothing, who feel that blathering on about what they don't know is being actively part of the solution. I occassionally find it tiresome to be questioned about my understanding or commitment to the environment when I have very well documented and implemented solutions for helping with the environmental challenges we face. But ignorance is to be expected on a chat site so I've learned to minimize it's adverse affect on me.

Usually any stress accumulated during the day is completely undone during by bike ride home. There's something about riding down streets along the waterway, nodding a hello to the Great Blue Herons, Ducks and Bald Eagles I see along the way. But I'm sure an enviro-friendly guy like you know all about this type of thing.

But you did forget to mention your line of work? And how it's helping with the environmental challenges we face?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

I'm a very upbeat guy. Again, I think you should think about that remedial reading comprehension class. Again, you've seemed to have read want you want to be there rather than what is. But I'll leave that decision up to you.

I occassionally get frustrated for a moment or two by people who know next to nothing, who feel that blathering on about what they don't know is being actively part of the solution. I occassionally find it tiresome to be questioned about my understanding or commitment to the environment when I have very well documented and implemented solutions for helping with the environmental challenges we face. But ignorance is to be expected on a chat site so I've learned to minimize it's adverse affect on me.

Usually any stress accumulated during the day is completely undone during by bike ride home. There's something about riding down streets along the waterway, nodding a hello to the Great Blue Herons, Ducks and Bald Eagles I see along the way. But I'm sure an enviro-friendly guy like you know all about this type of thing.

But you did forget to mention your line of work? And how it's helping with the environmental challenges we face?

You know what? I just dismissed you altogether as a cool person worth communicating with. It has nothing to do specifically with me (or you) and shows your lack of character to not be able to talk about the topic instead of just comparing dick size.

ciao....perhaps try again some other time when you're not so distasteful to be around.

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You know what? I just dismissed you altogether as a cool person worth communicating with. It has nothing to do specifically with me (or you) and shows your lack of character to not be able to talk about the topic instead of just comparing dick size.

ciao....perhaps try again some other time when you're not so distasteful to be around.

I guess that's what I get for providing you the opportunity to enlighten us with how your line of work is actively helping with the environmental challenges we face, or how your company is providing products that are a part of the solution. Regardless, have a great weekend.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

I guess that's what I get for providing you the opportunity to enlighten us with how your line of work is actively helping with the environmental challenges we face, or how your company is providing products that are a part of the solution. Regardless, have a great weekend.

Thank you for this most gracious opportunity you have provided me. I feel blessed. I don't know what I'd do otherwise to communicate and express myself on an internet forum.

Again...I don't really feel like pulling out my cock right now...maybe if you had tits I'd entertain it a few more rounds.

lol...thanks anyways. I'm sure the intentions were good.