Thank You Pakistan
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I think we should all thank Pakistan for their continuing support. If it wasnt for their intelligence, who know what would have happened yesterday. Thats right folks, a Muslim country is actually being pro-active against terrorism.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I think that was the CIA's doing, and its the US State Department that gave him immunity...
links?
Nor can we praise them, which is what you're basically doing.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Criticise when you do wrong but dont praise when they do good. Another 9/11 was stopped thanks to Pakistan, if that doesnt deserve praise, then whats the point?
Huh? I never said that second thing!!
Thats 3 posts peole have quoted me and its not what I said !! Database problems by any chance??
Dr. Strangelove, BBC reported in 2001
by Greg Palast
http://www.dissidentvoice.org
February 12, 2004
On November 7, 2001, BBC Television's Newsnight and the Guardian of London reported that the Bush administration thwarted investigations of Dr. A.Q. Khan, known as the "father" of Pakistan's atomic bomb. This week, Khan confessed to selling atomic secrets to Libya, North Korea, and Iran.
The Bush Administration has expressed shock at disclosures that Pakistan, our ally in the war on terror, has been running a nuclear secrets bazaar. In fact, according to the British news teams' sources within US intelligence agencies, shortly after President Bush's inauguration, his National Security Agency (NSA) effectively stymied the probe of Khan Research Laboratories, the Pakistani agency in charge of the bomb project. CIA and other agents told BBC they could not investigate the spread of “Islamic Bombs” through Pakistan because funding appeared to originate in Saudi Arabia.
Greg Palast and David Pallister received a California State University Project Censored Award for this expose based on the story broadcast by Palast on BBC television's top current affairs program.
According to both sources and documents obtained by the BBC, the Bush Administration “spike” of the investigation of Dr. Khan’s Lab followed from a wider policy of protecting key Saudi Arabians including the Bin Laden family.
Noam Chomsky, who read the story on page one of the Times of India, has wondered, “Why wasn’t this all over US papers?”
To learn why, read the following excerpt from the 2003 edition of Palast’s book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy:
The "Back-Off" Directive and the Islamic Bomb
A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off " from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die.
And there was a lot to investigate-or in the case of the CIA and FBI under Bush-a lot to ignore. Through well-known international arms dealers (I'm sorry, but in this business, sinners are better sources than saints) our team was tipped off to a meeting of Saudi billionaires at the Hotel Royale Monceau in Paris in May 1996 with the financial representative of Osama bin Laden's network. The Saudis, including a key Saudi prince joined by Muslim and non-Muslim gun traffickers, met to determine who would pay how much to Osama. This was not so much an act of support but of protection-a pay off to keep the mad bomber away from Saudi Arabia.
The crucial question here is that, if I could learn about this meeting, how did the CIA miss it? In fact, since the first edition of this book, other sources have disclosed that the meeting was monitored by French intelligence. Since U.S. intelligence was thus likely informed, the question becomes, Why didn't our government immediately move against the Saudis?
I probed our CIA contact for specifics of investigations that were hampered by orders to back off of the Saudis. He told us that the Khan Laboratories investigation had been effectively put on hold.
You may never have heard of Khan Laboratories, but if this planet blows to pieces this year, it will likely be thanks to Khan Labs' creating nuclear warheads for Pakistan's military. Because investigators had been tracking the funding for this so-called "Islamic Bomb" back to Saudi Arabia, under Bush security restrictions, the inquiry was stymied. (The restrictions were lifted, the agent told me without a hint of dark humor, on September 11.)
Dr. A. Q. Khan is the Dr. Strangelove of Pakistan, the "father" of their bomb and, says a former associate, a crusader for its testing . . . on humans. On April 25, 1998, Khan met at the Kushab Research Center with General Jehangir Karamat, then army chief of staff, to plan a possible preemptive nuclear strike on New Delhi, India. The Saudis lit a fuse under this demented scheme by telling Pakistan intelligence that Israel had shipped India warplanes in preparation for a conventional attack on Pakistan. We only know these details because a young researcher who claims he was at the meeting wrote a horrified letter threatening to make the plan to bomb India public, a threat which appears to have halted the scheme.
After writing down his objections, the whistle-blower, Iftikhar Khan-Chaudhry, ran for his life to London, then the USA, seeking asylum. Khan-Chaudhry, when questioned, seemed to know too little to be the top nuclear physicist he claimed, and far too much about A. Q. Khan's bomb factory to be the tile company accountant Pakistan claims. Pakistan police, failing to arrest him, jailed, beat and raped his wife, suggesting they wanted him to keep secret something more interesting than bookkeeping methods.
Whether his story was real or bogus, I can't possibly tell. The point is that intelligence agencies under Clinton, based on many other leads as well, were following up on the Saudi connection until the Bush team interfered.
The Right Wing has gone hog-ass wild over the New York Times’ “shocking” report that the Bush Administration is actually tracking terrorists’ money transfers. Oh my!
The fruitcakes are in flames! “Stand them in front of a firing squad or put them in prison for the rest of their lives,” says one pinhead on Fox TV.
For what? The stunning news that the government is hunting the source of al-Qaeda’s cash? “Osama! You must stop using your ATM card! Condi Rice is reading our bank statements!“
Somehow, I suspect bin Laden already assumes his checkbook is getting perused.
It is worth noting that the fanatic screeching for a “firing squad” is a guy who claims to be a former CIA agent. No one can confirm his claim of course, but this character, Wayne Simmons, has made his career blabbering away juicy intelligence secrets to sell himself as an “expert,” stuff far racier than the Times’ weak report. Well, hypocrisy never stood in the way of the Foxes in the news house.
You want to talk “treason”? OK, let’s talk treason. How about Dick Cheney telling his creepy little hitman ‘Scooter’ Libby to reveal information that led to the naming of a CIA agent? Mr. Simmons, do you have room in your firing squad schedule for the Vice-President?
And no one on Fox complained when the Times, under the by-line of Judith Miller, revealed the secret “intelligence” information that Saddam was building a bomb.
Yes, let’s talk treason. How about this: Before the 9/11 attack, George Bush’s intelligence chieftains BLOCKED the CIA’s investigation of the funding of al-Qaeda and terror.
The “Back-Off” Directive
On November 9, 2001, BBC Television Centre in London received a call from a phone booth just outside Washington. The call to our Newsnight team was part of a complex pre-arranged dance coordinated with the National Security News Service, a conduit for unhappy spooks at the CIA and FBI to unburden themselves of disturbing information and documents.
The top-level U.S. intelligence agent on the line had much to be unhappy and disturbed about: what he called a “back-off” directive.
This call to BBC came two months after the attack on the Pentagon and World Trade Towers. His fellow agents, he said, were now released to hunt bad guys. That was good news. The bad news was that, before September 11, in those weeks just after George W. Bush took office, CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) personnel were told to “back off” certain targets of investigations begun by Bill Clinton.
The agent said, “There were particular investigations that were effectively killed.”
Which ones? His reply was none too comforting: Khan Labs.
On February 11, 2004, President Bush, at an emergency press briefing, expressed his shock — shock! — at having learned that Dr. A. Q. Khan of Pakistan was running a flea market in fissionable material. But, we knew that from the agent’s call — nearly three years earlier. As the intelligence insider told us, the Khan investigation died because the CIA was not allowed to follow down the money trail … to Saudi Arabia.
Apparently, the Saudis, after Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait in 1991, switched their funding for an “Islamic bomb” from Iraq to Pakistan. Dr. Khan used the Saudi loot to build and test his bomb — then sell off the blueprints and bomb-fixings to North Korea and Libya. This was, one might say, a somewhat dangerous situation. But Bush’s spymasters made it a policy to “See No Saudi Evil” — so the investigation died.
What You “Ought Not to Know.”
Closing the agencies eyes to the Khan bomb was not the only spike. That same week in November 2001, unhappy FBI agents “accidentally” left an astonishing dozen-page fax on the desks of our NSNS colleagues. It was marked, “199-I — WF” and “SECRET.”
The code “199-I” means “national security matter” in FBI-speak. It was about what the FBI deemed “a suspected terrorist organization.” What made the document special — and earned the anger of the two agents who “lost” it for us — is that it indicates that the “suspected terrorist” activities were not investigated until September 13, 2001, despite a desire by agents to investigate these characters years earlier.
Who was exempt from investigation? That was on page 2 of the 199-I document. The FBI was hunting in Falls Church, Virginia, for “ABL,” Abdullah bin Laden, nephew of Osama. They were also seeking another relative, Omar bin Laden (or “Binladden” in the alternative translation of the Arabic name). But by September 13, when the restrictions on agents were removed, the bin Ladens were gone.
Why did buildings have to fall before the FBI could question the bin Ladens? Because, frustrated agents noted, the “suspected terrorist organization” was funded directly by the Saudi Royal family.
The suspect group, the World Association of Muslim Youth, operated soccer clubs — and a whole lot more. For example, there was its shuttle operation for jihadi warriors to Bosnia and, foreign intelligence agencies told us at BBC, alleged involvement of WAMY members in bombings.
In the face of these accusations, the Saudi supreme dictator, King Abdullah, praised WAMY, saying, “There is no extremism in the defending of the faith.” That’s his opinion.
Abdullah bin Laden brought WAMY to the USA where, in a summer camp in Florida, little kids were given instruction in baseball and in the glories of hostage-taking (no kidding).
But the FBI’s investigation of the bin Ladens and their group was out of the question so long as the Bush Administration kept intelligence agencies from following the funds transfers of the House of Saud.
That November night in 2001, when we were about to televise the 199-I memo, my BBC producer, Meirion Jones, sought out the FBI’s comment, assuming we’d get the usual, “It’s baloney, a fake, you misunderstand, it ain’t true.”
But we didn’t get the usual response.
Rather, FBI headquarters in Washington told us: “There are lots of things the intelligence community knows and other people ought not to know.”
“Ought not to know”?!?
We ran the story of the Bush Administration’s impeding investigations of the funding of terror. BBC ran it at the top of the nightly news in Britain and worldwide. It hit the front pages of newspapers around the globe — except in the USA. In America, the New York Times and our other news outlets were still accepting the Bush Administration’s diktat that intelligence “information” — that is, news of disastrous intelligence failures — was something the Times’ readers, “ought not to know.”
So I’m tempted to say that, Yes, the New York Times has committed treason — not by reporting on what Bush’s spies are doing, but on failing to report on what Bush’s spies did not do: a deadly failure to follow the money before September 11 because the House of Bush chose to protect the House of Saud.
Joe Trento's Column
2/5/2004
In Pakistan, A.Q. Khan, the "father" of the Pakistani nuclear program, has "admitted" that he — and only he — is responsible for single handedly spreading nuclear weapons know-how to North Korea, Iran and Libya. In the carefully orchestrated confession, Khan makes certain that no Pakistani officials or generals are tied into the "private black market network."
In a cover-up only Richard Nixon could dream up, Pakistan is protecting a lot of friends. Among them is a CIA that has been aware of Pakistan's nuclear program and its proliferation since the 1970s. In fact, the CIA Director who knows most about all this is none other than George H. W. Bush.
It was Bush's close relationship with the late Saudi intelligence chief Kamal Adham and the CIA's use of an outlaw Pakistani bank for intelligence operations that caused Bush, the CIA, and later the White House to look the other way as Saudi Arabia funded A.Q. Khan efforts to build the first Islamic bomb. The CIA helped cover up the most dangerous arms proliferation in history. The irony here is that the father of a president pledged against the "Axis of Evil" was the handmaiden to the Islamic nuclear bomb.
So let's get down to the truth: There is no private black market network being run by A.Q. Khan. What existed was a pan-Islamic effort to trade nuclear technology with North Korea in exchange for missile technology. National Security News Service sources say this exchange was approved on national leadership levels in both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Because many Islamic states were convinced Israel had helped India's nuclear program, Muslim leaders argued through the Saudis that this imbalance needed to be addressed. While officially protesting the Pakistani bomb program, the United States kept quiet because it was funding covert anti-Soviet operations in Afghanistan through the same bank the Saudis were using to support the Pakistani nuclear program.
What the first Bush administration missed (or ignored) was that the Saudi financing of Pakistan's program was really the financing of a pan-Islamic program. By sharing technology with countries like Iran, Libya and Malaysia, the Saudis were sending a message to the Islamic world that they were true Muslims. A.Q. Khan is a patriot of Pakistan — by taking the fall, the pan-Islamic bomb scheme simply melts into a seemingly-discredited anti-Islamic conspiracy theory. Almost. A lone government agency has been raising hell about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan's nuclear activities for years. The Defense Intelligence Agency has warned of Khan's network for a very long time.
Of particular concern to investigators are similarities between Pakistani and U.S. weapons designs. How did U.S. weapons plans make their way to Pakistan and A.Q. Khan? The answer to that question might be found in the Army Computer Laboratory in Maryland. It seems a regular exchange of information between China and the computer lab took place during the 1980s and early 1990s. An FBI probe into what went on at Aberdeen prompted the retirement of some top lab officials. The details of the probe were never made available to the public.
In a world so porous that even U.S. security can be breached, how contained is the pan-Islamic nuclear technology? Our heroes at DIA called Pakistan a "friendenemy." "Sometimes they are our friends and sometimes they are the enemy," a high-level DIA official told National Security News Service. While the Bush administration was telling us how hard they were working on the war on terror, officials with the DIA were convinced that nuclear technology was transferred to Pakistan's intelligence agency, or ISA. ISA has close ties to al-Qaeda. The nightmare scenario we all face now is whether A.Q. Khan turned over enough details to give al-Qaeda the bomb?
As the investigation into Khan proceeds, we're learning that many of the companies he did business with are government controlled. The idea that Khan was a lone ranger peddling nuclear materials gives cover to the CIA and U.S. policy makers who looked the other way. But if, as DIA believed, there was a massive and secret pan-Islamic bomb project right under the nose of the U.S. intelligence community and Khan was the front man, then we have a very big problem with our intelligence apparatus.
While the Bush administration relied on garbage intelligence for Iraq, its intelligence looked away when the biggest nuclear conspiracy in history took place. Maybe it's time to face up to the fact that ground zero for the axis of evil is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The least we can do is add them to our list of "friendenemies."
by Henk Ruyssenaars
FPF - The Netherlands - August 9 - 2005 - "We were not allowed by the american intelligence service CIA to arrest Pakistani top spy Dr. Abdul Khan, whom we knew had been stealing nuclear secrets from us for years."
This was confirmed by the former Prime minister of the Netherlands Ruud Lubbers today, in an investigating program - Argos - on Dutch national radio.* In reality blaming the CIA for Pakistani proliferation of stolen nuclear knowledge.
The program was made in cooperation with Japanese TV, remembering the unnecessary atomic
bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.*
This news is - to say the least - as usual very underreported by the international mainstream 'information' . Dutch minister of Justice P. H. Donner was asked about possible CIA action concerning Khan, and said in parliament last year that 'nothing of the kind has happened, the CIA had nothing to do with it'.
A discussion in the pro neocon Dutch parliament, run by speaker mr. Weisglass, again concerning Donner's lies and the CIA activities has been announced, of which nobody expects anything, except more lies.
According to the often very outspoken former prime minister and former United Nations Refugee High
Commissioner* Lubbers: "Under the influence of the so called Cold War, all 'western' intelligence services were ordered around by the CIA, and were told to back off so the CIA could follow Khan's spy activities''.
For all those years the CIA wanted Khan to go on with his spying, which ultimately was used to get US ally Pakistan atomic weapons too, Lubbers said.
"Just let him go, we'll follow him and that way get more information", the CIA told the Dutch secret service, which for ages apart from the CIA etc.also cooperates with the Israeli Mossad. Dutch national airport Schiphol serves as Israeli/Mossad base in Europe. Dutch Attorney General Vrakking testified on Jan. 29, 1999, that the El Al security detachment at Schiphol was a branch of Mossad.
“Schiphol has become a hub for secret weapons transfers,” charged Henk van der Belt, an investigator working with the Bijlmer survivors. [after the crash of an El Al airliner, see Url.]. “Dutch authorities have no jurisdiction over Israeli activities at the airport.” A TV Amsterdam (TVA) report identified Schiphol ''as one of several European airports that allows El Al to transfer cargo without supervision.'' [El Al/Mossad - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/yurk6 ]
European firms were eager to do business*
The result of the CIA's handling and supervising the situation was clear to anybody involved, and resulted in the following, as described by Christopher Clary last year: " Khan skillfully maneuvered around international export controls. He later said, "My long stay in Europe and intimate knowledge of various countries and their manufacturing firms was an asset. Within two years we had put up working prototypes of centrifuges and were going at full speed to build the facilities at Kahuta."
The European firms were eager to do business: "They literally begged us to buy their equipment," Khan recalled. It was an impressive feat, something which Khan was well aware of. He boasted, "A country which could not make sewing needles, good bicycles or even ordinary durable metalled roads was embarking on one of the latest and most difficult technologies. We devised a strategy whereby we would go all out to buy
everything that we needed in the open market to lay the foundation of a good infrastructure." [http://tinyurl.com/9kptv ]
Khan - with his South African wife Henny with a British passport - understood at the end 0f 1975 when working at the Dutch Ultra Centrifuge project in the laboratories of Urenco ,that he was watched, and took a very long weekend of which he didn't return.
Regrettably, the fact that the CIA forbade the Dutch secret service BVD (now AIVD) to arrest or stop Khan in any other way, made him within some years the "Father of the Pakistani Bomb'. Khan is blamed - by the US - for selling nuclear secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya, a proliferation the CIA in this case is responsible for.
Lubbers - in 1975 minister of Economy: "When asked the CIA told us it would be enough to stop Kahn working at or visiting the Urenco centrifuge factory." A court in Amsterdam condemned Khan in 1983 in his absence to four years in jail for his nuclear spying, but the verdict strangely enough later on was annulled 'because of a procedural error' was the only explanation given.
In 1986, when Ruud Lubbers was prime minister of the Netherlands, he again tried to get the American
government and the CIA to 'do something' about Khan's dangerous activities, but was told the Americans and the CIA 'did not want to interfere'.
By not interfering and 'just following' Dr. Khan, he was helped by the US/CIA/NSA to become the rich Pakistani
proliferation hero he is now: the 'Father of the Pakistani Bomb.'
Another bitter fact in those days to remember, when commemorating the hideous war crime which totally unnecessary destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the same inhuman possibility which 'thanks' to the CIA and Dr. Khan, has spread.
Khan keeps a small menagerie of pets. Each day at sunrise, he takes a sackful of peanuts when he walks
into the wooded Margala Hills across from his home and feeds the monkeys. Declared Khan, the day
after his country exploded another nuclear device, "I am the kindest man in Pakistan. I feed the ants in
the morning. I feed the monkeys."
And the mainstream media feed us their lies...
Henk Ruyssenaars
* Hiroshima and Nagasaki: Never again! - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/98n73
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* Eager to do business, but: the U.S. tore out 8000 pages : http://www.sundayherald.com/30195
Dr. Kahn - background - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/cr722
* Satellites, and why war is good for
some...http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2851
Former PM very critical of neocon's US - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/av6v4
UNHCR Lubbers - 'Honey trap' - sex framed? - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/3umb9
The Observer + Secret documents bugging UN - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/2jlzf
VPRO Argos program (sorry, in Dutch) - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/78r7y
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How CIA "protected" A.Q. Khan
Hasan Suroor
He was caught stealing designs from a Dutch uranium plant. Former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers in a radio programme says the CIA saved Khan from going to prison.
etc etc etc...
Now, is that enough for you? Or do you require me to further urinate over your camp fire???
...protected Khan for stealing secrets, but not for selling them. You made it sound as though the CIA protected his selling activities. But, that's an interesting link though.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
AQ Khan has been arrested by his own country.... his career is over, he is no longer a danger to anyone.