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who killed the electric car?

simpson,ay?simpson,ay? Posts: 45
edited June 2006 in A Moving Train
i saw a preview for this movie called "who killed the electric car?" imdb has several celebrities in the movie, including martin sheen, tom hanks, and mel gibson. anyway it looks pretty interesting, but i was wondering if anybody knows what did happen with the electric car. it seemed like a huge deal a few years ago, and now you don't hear a thing about it, or even the possibility of owning one. i dont have the patience to wait for the movie, and it seems like such a pressing issue today. any info would be appreciated.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    hydrogen is the future of cars.
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    MrBrian wrote:
    hydrogen is the future of cars.

    i think you'll find its pasta sauce :D
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    darkcrow wrote:
    i think you'll find its pasta sauce :D

    haha! I bet the italians will be running those ferrari cars on some of that one day.

    how cool would that be,
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    who made steve guttenberg a star? :D

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  • Pearl Jam and toastPearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    MrBrian wrote:
    hydrogen is the future of cars.
    maybe..

    you know they have an extremely efficient and well-running engine that runs on water right?

    Crafted by a guy who originally designed it to power blow torches (which worked incredibly). I saw a video of it.. the metal cut beautifully (he said it worked way better than anything else they had) and the only thing put off was water dripping down the sheetmetal.

    The military already has experimental hummers running with these engines and companies are biting eachothers' heads off to get the rights to it.

    unfortunatley we probably won't see any of these until our oil wells are sucked bone dry.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    maybe..

    you know they have an extremely efficient and well-running engine that runs on water right?

    Crafted by a guy who originally designed it to power blow torches (which worked incredibly). I saw a video of it.. the metal cut beautifully (he said it worked way better than anything else they had) and the only thing put off was water dripping down the sheetmetal.

    The military already has experimental hummers running with these engines and companies are biting eachothers' heads off to get the rights to it.

    unfortunatley we probably won't see any of these until our oil wells are sucked bone dry.

    Yeah, BMW are leading the way with it.

    http://www.bmwtransact.com/hydrogen/cars_h2r.htm

    BMW: The Driving Force for Hydrogen

    Hydrogen: it's the lightest element in the universe. It's also the most common, available in an infinite supply. When combined with oxygen, hydrogen burns in a virtually clean manner, creating water vapor as exhaust. That’s why BMW believes hydrogen is the fuel of the future

    BMW wants the best of both worlds with its hydrogen-burning cars of the future.
    The German automaker wants a pollution-free vehicle. Officials also want a vehicle that feels like a normal car — not an electric car — when it's driven.

    Such a car could be here by the end of the decade if BMW has its way.

    "Germany will definitely have them before the United States," said Gordon Keil, products communication specialist for BMW of North America, the automaker's marketing arm in the United States. "But we'll be close behind."

    What's spurring development in Germany is the high cost of gasoline in Europe, he said.

    BMW hopes to have hydrogen-fired internal combustion engines in use in about seven years, he said.
  • StupidHumanBeingsStupidHumanBeings Posts: 85
    Electric cars died because of technology and economies of scale. Both electric cars and hybrids burn through their batteries in 3 years time. The cars only ran for 100 or so miles between recharges. Unless you are rich no one wants to pay $499 per month on a electric car (GM's lease only price) when you can get a kinda nice BMW.

    Most people also seemed convinced that electric cars used no fossil fules. Power for the electric cars came from the power utilities that burn fossil fules. And since no American actualy needs to be informed of anything. Almost everyone overlooked that fact and that 80%+ of power generated at power plants is lost through resistance in transmission and distribution.

    Hybrids are the way to go but Toyota & Honda still need to work out the economics to make it more attractive for people only interested in saving money on gas and not the environment.
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  • Pearl Jam and toastPearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    StupidHumanBeings wrote:
    Electric cars died because of technology and economies of scale. Both electric cars and hybrids burn through their batteries in 3 years time. The cars only ran for 100 or so miles between recharges. Unless you are rich no one wants to pay $499 per month on a electric car (GM's lease only price) when you can get a kinda nice BMW.

    Most people also seemed convinced that electric cars used no fossil fules. Power for the electric cars came from the power utilities that burn fossil fules. And since no American actualy needs to be informed of anything. Almost everyone overlooked that fact and that 80%+ of power generated at power plants is lost through resistance in transmission and distribution.

    Hybrids are the way to go but Toyota & Honda still need to work out the economics to make it more attractive for people only interested in saving money on gas and not the environment.
    *nods*

    Still, i think the new technology has to be embraced widely for it to improve as rapidly as people would like.
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  • StupidHumanBeingsStupidHumanBeings Posts: 85
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    *nods*

    Still, i think the new technology has to be embraced widely for it to improve as rapidly as people would like.

    I think so too. I tried to trade my car in for a Prius earilier this year but Toyota (and Honda) still have a $3500 over-sticker premium on hybrids. I still want one but I think I'm gonna hold off a year or so.


    Show me the money!!!! See people Japanese companies are money grubbing greedy bastartds too. Don't blame them (or US companies). Only a complete idiot would run a company at a loss.
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  • likepilateihaveadoglikepilateihaveadog Posts: 1,083
    right electric cars sound good...but you need to produce batteries (heavy metals...bad news), ship them...
    we'd then have to create that much more electricity - through coal burning, more nuclear plants.

    you're still stuck in the energy cycle somehow.
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    we should all be forced to ride unicycles
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    Gern Blansten said:
    we should all be forced to ride unicycles
    That’ll be the repub campaign platform. “They’ll make you ride unicycles to work!”
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    yep...and Desantis will pass a law banning unicycles in FL
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    Gern Blansten said:
    yep...and Desantis will pass a law banning unicycles in FL
    Don’t laugh.

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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    yep...and Desantis will pass a law banning unicycles in FL
    Don’t laugh.

    https://www.boston.com/travel/national-news/2023/02/15/avert-seuter-unicyclist-maine-florida-east-coast-greenway/
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