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saveuplife

...Uh oh, now Lindsey Lohan is talking smack on Palin. I'm sure McCain wasn't able to sleep after hearing this...

http://www.showbizspy.com/showbiz/09142008/Lindsay-Lohan-Lashes-Out-at-Sarah-Palin

blackredyellow

You are obsessed with celebrity political comments, aren't you?

saveuplife

blackredyellow wrote:

You are obsessed with celebrity political comments, aren't you?

I think they are hysterical. That's all.

know1

Lindsay sure has shown herself to be someone whose opinions should be trusted.....NOT!

mammasan

Just like any one of us she is entitled to her opinion, not that I'm going to even listen or take them seriously. So let her speak her mind because the problem is not really her speaking her mind, but the media attempting to give her comments more importance than they actually deserve.

saveuplife

mammasan wrote:

Just like any one of us she is entitled to her opinion, not that I'm going to even listen or take them seriously. So let her speak her mind because the problem is not really her speaking her mind, but the media attempting to give her comments more importance than they actually deserve.

Agreed. She's 100% allowed to speak her mind. I don't think anyone would disagree with you there.

That said, I think it would be smart for some celebrities to keep their mouths shut because by voicing their opinions they may actually hurt the cause that they are trying to help.

Brain of J.Lo

saveuplife wrote:

That said, I think it would be smart for some celebrities to keep their mouths shut because by voicing their opinions they may actually hurt the cause that they are trying to help.

I just don't think that's true. It may not be particularly helpful, but I think it's pretty innocuous. It's a non-issue.

I think it provides fodder for people who are already against the candidate a certain celebrity supports. But, I really don't think people are going to say "oh shit, I'm not voting for the same person Lindsay Lohan supports. She sucks!"

But if you enjoy laughing about it, have fun.

Pacomc79

I guess the irony is that there really isn't a ton of difference between a politician and a celebrity.

They are both largely popular because they are able to get large masses of people to "vote" for them be it with thier dollars or their support. The bulk of thier success comes from thier "name" which is driven by hype machines in the media or by writing books or by having a good publicist or by having a few GREAT speech writers write speeches that they read off the teleprompter.

Image is far more important to the average person than is content.


People are already divided into teams and there are cliques inside those teams in the end this is no different or more worthwhile than electing a high school class president.

No matter who it is or what they do, the movers and shakers are going to have to find a way to adapt and live within the system. That's part of the reason for "black" markets in the first place.

An incredibly interesting documentary would be secretly filming politicians daily lives.... That's a movie I'd love to watch.

cincybearcat

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I just don't think that's true. It may not be particularly helpful, but I think it's pretty innocuous. It's a non-issue.

I disagree...anytime someone who obviously lives a very special life and is out of touch with the realities of life in middle america speaks, it pisses people off and energizes them to vote the other way. They don't want to be associated with that nonsense.

mammasan

saveuplife wrote:

Agreed. She's 100% allowed to speak her mind. I don't think anyone would disagree with you there.

That said, I think it would be smart for some celebrities to keep their mouths shut because by voicing their opinions they may actually hurt the cause that they are trying to help.

At this point I don't think it matters what celebrities say. The mainstream media, with some exceptions, have pretty much crowned Palin as Prom Queen. They have made our decision for us. I'm sure there are celebrities out there that support the McCain/Palin ticket and speak their mind, but the media will not focus on them. The media will only focus on the liberal celebrities. I truly believe that this election has been decided for us. As an example Palin and Rudy made, what I and many others thought where inappropriate remarks about community organizers. I know what they where trying to do but the manner in which they did it was all off. They get a free pass. The media doesn't even touch it. Obama makes a comment that can be misconstrued as a sexist insult but the media jumps all over him. Even after he explains himself the media is still on him. This election was decided already and to all you Obama supporters the sooner you accept this the easier it will be on you come November.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

I disagree...anytime someone who obviously lives a very special life and is out of touch with the realities of life in middle america speaks, it pisses people off and energizes them to vote the other way. They don't want to be associated with that nonsense.

The very candidates running are out of touch with middle America and middle America doesn't seem to mind.

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

The very candidates running are out of touch with middle America and middle America doesn't seem to mind.

Sure they do...haven't you seen the hoopla over Sarah Palin?

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

Sure they do...haven't you seen the hoopla over Sarah Palin?

Come she is a media darling. She has become the conservative version of Jackie Kennedy. Middle American has fallen in love with Sarah Palin with mainstream media working as her PR firm.

SoonForgotten2

cincybearcat wrote:

anytime someone who obviously lives a very special life and is out of touch with the realities of life in middle america speaks, it pisses people off and energizes them to vote the other way. They don't want to be associated with that nonsense.

This is funnier than anything Lindsay Lohan has ever said. I really, really hope you were being ironic on purpose.

cincybearcat

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

This is funnier than anything Lindsay Lohan has ever said. I really, really hope you were being ironic on purpose.

Continue to think that way, the people running the Dem presidential bids the last couple of times sure have...look how well they did.

I'm not saying it's what I think...but I am saying that I think this happens.

I, personally hat eit when Lindsey Lohan talks abotu anything really.

Brain of J.Lo

cincybearcat wrote:

I disagree...anytime someone who obviously lives a very special life and is out of touch with the realities of life in middle america speaks, it pisses people off and energizes them to vote the other way. They don't want to be associated with that nonsense.

I spent all but the last 20 months of my life in middle america, and I disagree. The cultural divide between "middle america" and the coasts, at least where the obsession/admiration with celebrities is concerned, is not that great. It's certainly not as great as the media would like to imply that it is.

saveuplife

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

I just don't think that's true. It may not be particularly helpful, but I think it's pretty innocuous. It's a non-issue.

I understand why you think that. But, I disagree. I do not think that anyone will vote one way strictly because Lindsey Lohan says she's doing something. However, I do think that celebs consistently standing on their soap boxes telling Middle America their opinions, will bother a large amount in Middle America. And thereby energizes the Republican base. ON the margin, I do certainly believe that it makes Republicans more likely to vote. I don't think liberals will ever truly understand this.

It's actually very interesting. My wife and I were talking about politics on our ride home from a party last night. We went to a party and somehow politics became a topic of discussion. A few of the Democrats started telling everyone how they are voting for Obama ect. Then they went around the room asking who everyone was voting for and why. A large amount of people refused to answer. My wife and I did as well. Anyway, on the way home my wife said that Dems tend to be much more outspoken. Her opinion was that the Democratic platform is much more easy to defend in a one minute speech. She then went on to say that the Republican platform is somewhat complicated and hard to explain quickly. Not only that. Conservatives tend to be "conservative" in bringing things up. The bottom line is that conservatives were probably very very turned off by what those few Obama supporters were doing at that party. They don't want to get into a lenghty debate on politics at a party... it's awkward (that's the conservative approach). That said, a couple of chance encounters like that, may make someone turned off enough to get up off the couch on election day. The key is, I don't think anyone changes their minds by stuff like this. I think people get up and vote. That's the difference. The getting up and voting.

catch22

saveuplife wrote:

...Uh oh, now Lindsey Lohan is talking smack on Palin. I'm sure McCain wasn't able to sleep after hearing this...

http://www.showbizspy.com/showbiz/09142008/Lindsay-Lohan-Lashes-Out-at-Sarah-Palin

when even lindsay lohan can see through you, you are in trouble.

catch22

cincybearcat wrote:

I disagree...anytime someone who obviously lives a very special life and is out of touch with the realities of life in middle america speaks, it pisses people off and energizes them to vote the other way. They don't want to be associated with that nonsense.

you mean like all the billionaire executives supporting the republicans or john-i-have-so-many-houses-i-can't-keep-track-of-them-all- mccain?

blackredyellow

saveuplife wrote:

Anyway, on the way home my wife said that Dems tend to be much more outspoken. Her opinion was that the Democratic platform is much more easy to defend in a one minute speech. She then went on to say that the Republican platform is somewhat complicated and hard to explain quickly.

I'll disagree with this generalization. This time around it may be the case, but that is probably because after the last 8 years, the republican party really doesn't seem to have any issues working in their favor. This time around they are pretty much down to "reform", and stealing the "change" slogan.

But in general, since the mid 90's the republican party (with the help of people like Karl Rove) has done an incredible job of turning every issue into three world slogans or soundbytes, mostly framing issues into patriotic terms.

catch22

saveuplife wrote:

I understand why you think that. But, I disagree. I do not think that anyone will vote one way strictly because Lindsey Lohan says she's doing something. However, I do think that celebs consistently standing on their soap boxes telling Middle America their opinions, will bother a large amount in Middle America. And thereby energizes the Republican base. ON the margin, I do certainly believe that it makes Republicans more likely to vote. I don't think liberals will ever truly understand this.

It's actually very interesting. My wife and I were talking about politics on our ride home from a party last night. We went to a party and somehow politics became a topic of discussion. A few of the Democrats started telling everyone how they are voting for Obama ect. Then they went around the room asking who everyone was voting for and why. A large amount of people refused to answer. My wife and I did as well. Anyway, on the way home my wife said that Dems tend to be much more outspoken. Her opinion was that the Democratic platform is much more easy to defend in a one minute speech. She then went on to say that the Republican platform is somewhat complicated and hard to explain quickly. Not only that. Conservatives tend to be "conservative" in bringing things up. The bottom line is that conservatives were probably very very turned off by what those few Obama supporters were doing at that party. They don't want to get into a lenghty debate on politics at a party... it's awkward (that's the conservative approach). That said, a couple of chance encounters like that, may make someone turned off enough to get up off the couch on election day. The key is, I don't think anyone changes their minds by stuff like this. I think people get up and vote. That's the difference. The getting up and voting.

you're right, it's much better to ignore things that make us uncomfortable and push them into a closet... like homosexuals or the failure of this administration's foreign policy.