Obama is turning into John Kerry

saveuplife

Obama has everything in his favor to unseat the party in control right now:

-the economic growth
-unemployment
-the war
-inflation

yet, he keeps screwing up ("lipstick" comment today, "my muslim faith" comment earlier in the week). He's reminding more and more of John Kerry. He needs to stick to issues. That's where he can (could have) win (won). He's not going to win on race. He's not going to win on record. He can only win on issues. Yet, he's now using idiotic metaphors which could easily be taken the wrong way by independents. He's imploding under Republican attacks.... just like John Kerry. He just seems weak lately.

RainDog

saveuplife wrote:

Obama has everything in his favor to unseat the party in control right now:

-the economic growth
-unemployment
-the war
-inflation

yet, he keeps screwing up ("lipstick" comment today, "my muslim faith" comment earlier in the week). He's reminding more and more of John Kerry. He needs to stick to issues. That's where he can (could have) win (won). He's not going to win on race. He's not going to win on record. He can only win on issues. Yet, he's now using idiotic metaphors which could easily be taken the wrong way by independents. He's imploding under Republican attacks.... just like John Kerry. He just seems weak lately.

Thanks for the concern. To me, it seems like the Republicans are whining about anything and everything that comes their way, all along holding a knife behind their backs. Obama has a catch 22 - respond to the senseless attacks, and he "justifies" them. Don't respond, and they continue without scrutiny a la the Swift Boat Vets for Truth.

If Obama loses, it'll be because Republicans vote in lockstep no matter what. That and, lets not kid ourselves here, because he's black.

fuck

RainDog wrote:

Thanks for the concern. To me, it seems like the Republicans are whining about anything and everything that comes their way, all along holding a knife behind their backs. Obama has a catch 22 - respond to the senseless attacks, and he "justifies" them. Don't respond, and they continue without scrutiny a la the Swift Boat Vets for Truth.

If Obama loses, it'll be because Republicans vote in lockstep no matter what. That and, lets not kid ourselves here, because he's black.

Look, I agree that the republicans whine and bullshit all the time, but can we quit acting like Obama is trapped in these crazy catch 22 scenarios, when they are really nothing like that?

digster

I think we're having this same conversation in the other thread, but you're right, to a degree. Obama has the same problem Kerry has, because Obama wins on the issues. McCain cannot and I think he has realized this, as Bush did in 2004. So it becomes character attacks, running on a biography as opposed to positions, and manipulating the media (which are extremely gullible). And I guess it's Obama's fault; he unveiled a detailed policy on education, but that won't get the ratings in the media the way some manufactured controversy about Obama calling Palin a pig will (cause you know, it's only the future of our children). I don't know if it's that Obama's screwing up other than the Republicans being very very good at avoiding issues so they can win elections.

RainDog

_outlaw wrote:

Look, I agree that the republicans whine and bullshit all the time, but can we quit acting like Obama is trapped in these crazy catch 22 scenarios, when they are really nothing like that?

Then what are they like? Republicans control the message no matter how Obama responds.

chromiam

Obama's problem is that he doesn't have a teleprompter in front of him ALL the time.

saveuplife

RainDog wrote:

If Obama loses, it'll be because Republicans vote in lockstep no matter what. That and, lets not kid ourselves here, because he's black.

Democrats voted him in (even though he was black). They knew there was a risk that he wouldn't get votes because of his color. That's a political reality, unfortunately.

That said, I personally, don't think he'd be in the position he's in today if it weren't for his color.

Lastly, and most importantly.... if Obama loses it's because he was greedy. Yep, greedy. He should've gone with Clinton. He didn't. He wanted all the power. That set-up the Palin pick, which changed everything.

QuestionAuthority

chromiam wrote:

Obama's problem is that he doesn't have a teleprompter in front of him ALL the time.

Sorry.. I think that is Palin's problem.

blackredyellow

RainDog wrote:

Then what are they like? Republicans control the message no matter how Obama responds.

So this morning on MSNBC, the aired a decent part of Obama's campaign speech live (which of course Fox didn't). Obama defended himself pretty well I though, then gave a good education speech comparing his plans and past actions to McCain's lack of plans and actions.

So MSNBC cutaway to a break, then after the break instead of even mentioning anything about education or comments on Obama's plan good or bad, they go into a 10 minute segement on the "lipstick controversy".

Who cares about issues, right?

Vince

saveuplife wrote:

Obama has everything in his favor to unseat the party in control right now:

-the economic growth
-unemployment
-the war
-inflation

yet, he keeps screwing up ("lipstick" comment today, "my muslim faith" comment earlier in the week). He's reminding more and more of John Kerry. He needs to stick to issues. That's where he can (could have) win (won). He's not going to win on race. He's not going to win on record. He can only win on issues. Yet, he's now using idiotic metaphors which could easily be taken the wrong way by independents. He's imploding under Republican attacks.... just like John Kerry. He just seems weak lately.

How did he screw up? He said nothing wrong. Jesus fucking christ!!

What is wrong is that the Republicans are resorting to distortion and swiftboat politics. The difference between Kerry and Obama is that Obama is not going to sit there and let the Republicans get away with it. The only people who lose in this squabble is the American people.

What is idiotic are the people who fall for this and the people who sit by and let the Republicans get away with their slime ball tactics.


Apparently McCain likes lipstick on a pig too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w

Thecure

RainDog wrote:

Thanks for the concern. To me, it seems like the Republicans are whining about anything and everything that comes their way, all along holding a knife behind their backs. Obama has a catch 22 - respond to the senseless attacks, and he "justifies" them. Don't respond, and they continue without scrutiny a la the Swift Boat Vets for Truth.

If Obama loses, it'll be because Republicans vote in lockstep no matter what. That and, lets not kid ourselves here, because he's black.

if Obama loses one reason is that he is running a pretty bad federal election. why is he even talking abotu palin she is not the one at the top of teh ballad. McCain is. you let your VP talk abotu Palin you don't waste yoru time abotu this. Obama campaign so far up to this point has been great but it seems that he is a deer in headlights right now.

saveuplife

Vince wrote:

How did he screw up? He said nothing wrong. Jesus fucking christ!!

He said something that the media will toy with to get ratings. That's how he f'd up. He should know that the media wants ratings and will do anything to get them. He should also know that the average independent voter may think it's an unfair attack on Palin as they glance at it briefly on aol.com or something site that.

YieldInHiding

Thecure wrote:

if Obama loses one reason is that he is running a pretty bad federal election. why is he even talking abotu palin she is not the one at the top of teh ballad. McCain is. you let your VP talk abotu Palin you don't waste yoru time abotu this. Obama campaign so far up to this point has been great but it seems that he is a deer in headlights right now.

When did he say anything bad about her personally? Link?

freindlyfired

No demands were made to Kerry in 04 by progressive democrats and no demands are being made to Obama now by progressives so I wouldnt expect anything else but flipping on issues, reconsiderations of promises and sliding to the right.

Duk's
Gore
Kerry

When winning is all that matters the Democrats are damn good at losing.

Thecure

YieldInHiding wrote:

When did he say anything bad about her personally? Link?

never said that he did say anything bad about palin. did i say that any where? just said that he is talking alot abotu palin which i don't think he should be doing as she is not the top of teh ticket. you get others to attack her and you go back to talking about the issues. that is what he did in the primaries and i think that is the reason that he won.

freindlyfired

Other than change what is Obama promising with regards to the three most important issues facing america:
Being able to afford to live...
War...
Money/big business in politics...

digster

Being able to afford to live...http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ and http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
War...http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Money/big business in politics...http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

YieldInHiding

Thecure wrote:

never said that he did say anything bad about palin. did i say that any where? just said that he is talking alot abotu palin which i don't think he should be doing as she is not the top of teh ticket. you get others to attack her and you go back to talking about the issues. that is what he did in the primaries and i think that is the reason that he won.

Okay, where did he say ANYTHING about her other than right after the nomination? All I've heard is his critique of McCain's policies. Show me where Obama has said anything about Palin. If it's "alot" as you say, it should be easy for you.

RainDog

saveuplife wrote:

Democrats voted him in (even though he was black). They knew there was a risk that he wouldn't get votes because of his color. That's a political reality, unfortunately.

That said, I personally, don't think he'd be in the position he's in today if it weren't for his color.

You're right, he'd probably be further ahead.

saveuplife wrote:

Lastly, and most importantly.... if Obama loses it's because he was greedy. Yep, greedy. He should've gone with Clinton. He didn't. He wanted all the power. That set-up the Palin pick, which changed everything.

Again, I respectfully disagree. If Obama had gone with Clinton, he'd have loaded every little piece of baggage that the Clintons carried onto his campaign, it'd be all about the Clintons all the time, and he could hardly argue for change with a former First Lady - and a very divisive one - on the ticket. With Biden, he may be old hat, but he doesn't stir up the red-eyed, blood filled, right-wing rage like the Clintons.

RainDog

Thecure wrote:

if Obama loses one reason is that he is running a pretty bad federal election. why is he even talking abotu palin she is not the one at the top of teh ballad. McCain is. you let your VP talk abotu Palin you don't waste yoru time abotu this. Obama campaign so far up to this point has been great but it seems that he is a deer in headlights right now.

Yeah, that's what the T.V. told me to think, too. In reality it's not all about Palin.

Unfortunately it is all about Palin right now because the media won't shut up about her. Obama has largely left her alone, but when everything you say is construed as some sort of assault on Palin, and when every one of your spokesmen are asked about Palin, and when it's all Palin all the time, then it certainly seems like all Obama talks about is Palin.

inmytree

saveuplife wrote:

Obama has everything in his favor to unseat the party in control right now:

-the economic growth
-unemployment
-the war
-inflation

yet, he keeps screwing up ("lipstick" comment today, "my muslim faith" comment earlier in the week). He's reminding more and more of John Kerry. He needs to stick to issues. That's where he can (could have) win (won). He's not going to win on race. He's not going to win on record. He can only win on issues. Yet, he's now using idiotic metaphors which could easily be taken the wrong way by independents. He's imploding under Republican attacks.... just like John Kerry. He just seems weak lately.

pretty soon he'll be a lipstick wearing Muslim who won't wear a flag pin and throws away tiny American flags....

I guess some folks:
aren't the brightest bulb in the bunch...
or a few sandwiches short of a picnic...
or dumber than a box of rocks...
or like a cat eatin' lemons - a sourpuss...
or like school in the summertime - no class...







...they worry more about "idiotic metaphors" vs. looking at the issues....