The Mayan Calander
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So recently I have been studying the Mayan Calander. Prior to this, I was an evolutionist, and agnostic (if I was to pick to very general terms to classify myself.) While I am far from being any kind of an expert on this, I started learning about it with an open mind and a skeptic's eye. Always looking for the fact to blow this theory out of the water. So far, after 2 books and 8 hours of lectures I have yet to find it. The proof is in the math, the proof is in history and science.
The calendar focuses on the flow of creative energy/consciousness that is passing through the universe and equally effecting all things. Whereas our Gregorian calander focuses on the physical movement of our planet around the sun. Keeping us focused on the physical realities in our world and "unconscious" of the spiritual energy flowing all around us.
The Mayan calendar allows for the possibility of everything.... evolution, creation, the christian God, Judaism, buddhism, Islam, the second coming... It's all there. It would take me so long to explain why I believe in this cycle. The guy whose lectures I have listened to has a website that explains it far better than I ever could.
All I know is that in a very short period of time, I personally went from being a non-believer with a bleak outlook on the future. Someone stressed out about our global geopolitical system, economy... To someone who has a faith in a higher power. A belief that there is something more out there. A belief that my life may have a purpose greater than I can comprehend at this time. Again I am still learning. I have read partially the books and now I am making an attempt to understand them.
The reason this thread belongs in the Moving Train and not the AET is because I'm hoping that it will spark a discussion having to do with history/politics. Keep in mind that the cycle we are all living in right now according to the Mayan Calander is the Galactic cycle. The goal for this cycle is an ethical consciousness. In the spirit of that I would like reasoned debate.
If your interested, look it up or watch his videos on Google video. I am curious how many people on here are aware of this. And if anyone has any "blow it out of the water" information. So heres some info from the website.
http://www.mayanmajix.com/
What makes this information vital is many fold. First in general we have a road map of time and history. A road map is not a crystal ball, you don’t know just what will happen when you get to a destination. But knowing where you are going and seeing the landmarks along the way, is very reassuring. If you’ve been to a place before you can prepare for the circumstances you will find there. If you were going to Paris for example, you’d need French francs and some French phrases. This Creation pattern has repeated 7 times before and so we have, or at least consciousness has, been through all of this before.
The actual pattern of Creation described by the Mayan calendar looks like a pyramid with 9 levels. Immensely long periods of time with shorter and shorter periods stacked on top. Or even more accurately, as a set of nestled vessels, each of them 20 times smaller than the last.
Each of these 9 Creation cycles is 20 times shorter than the previous cycle. Each of these cycles is further divided into 13 equal sections of time and each of these sections has a purpose onto Creation. There are 7 sections of day and 6 sections of night to each level. The Sumerian, and Mesopotamians wrote this same pattern in clay tablets as their understanding of Creation. The Ancient Vedic texts, that are the basis of Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism and Taoism have the same understanding of 9 levels with 13 sections each. Our own Bible, states that there were 7 days to Creation in the book of Genesis.
Section one: is a period of “Light” or an opportunity for the growth of consciousness. It is the inception, a planting of seed, a new beginning or impetus to change or flow in a new direction. New perceptions become available.
Section two: is a period of “Night” or the opportunity to apply the enlightenment just received from Creation’s flow. This would be the germination of the seed planted in the dark soil or the developments of new points of view.
Section three: is another period of “Light” when duality is put on display. In nature, a seed sprouts up out of the ground and displays two leaves. The essential duality is always a new viewpoint that is overriding the ”old” consciousness.
As it has come down in human history, this has always been a time of civil turmoil.
Section four: is a period of “Dark” when polarized factions come to blows over their differences. Indeed these periods in human history are peaks of violence.
Section five: is another period of “Light.” In nature this is the development of a root system and the second set of leaves that will be a permanent part of the plant.
It is the establishment of the new consciousness as viable. In human history during this section lies or failed systems are disclosed so that progress is not blocked.
Section six: is another period of “Dark” The seedling set of leaves are dropped from the plant as another set of leaves spring from the top. These are at 90 degrees from the last set. In human history failed systems have been jettisoned, usually by force, during this section.
Section seven: another period of “Light” In a plants life, the tap root grows deep to firmly attach the plant while the stock thickens and branches form.
It is a period of expansion of the foundations laid. In human history the “New” point of view and way of doing things takes dominance. For instance the empire of Greece was built during this section.
Section eight: is a period of “Dark” once again or the application of new procedures. During this time a plant is multiplying its leaves and root system like mad. In human history it has usually been a period of rebuilding and a time of healing.
Section nine: here is a period of “Light.” In fact the brightest period of “light in the entire cycle. In a plants life this is when new chemicals are produced that carry the message to form buds. In human history, it was this section when Art was invented, the message of Jesus moved over the earth, Mr. Einstein discovered the theory of relativity and America with the victory of WWI rose to world power.
Section ten: another period of “Dark,” in fact, the darkest period of each cycle. In a plant’s life this is the growth of the bud. In your life it was puberty.
In human history this has been a time of great physical hardship or major conflicts. The Illonian Ice Age, Neanderthals going extinct, Rome falling and WWII are glaring examples.
Section eleven: again we are in a period of “Enlightenment.” This is the time of flowers for the plant. For you it was adolescence. In human history this was the creation of 1st tools, the 1st attempts at agriculture and constructed shelter, the renaissance and most recently, the flower children movement of the sixties.
Section twelve: one last period of “Dark” in the cycle happens now. In the plant’s life the flowers wilt and die setting the stage for fruit development or of seedpods that will dry. This is what happened to the Maya civilization right on queue. Throughout human history there have been conflicts and revolts during this period, most recent of these having been the Viet Nam war.
Section thirteen: a period of “Light” once again, a time of readiness for something new and different. A time of ascension, going from one level to the next higher level. The plant spreads the seeds or drops the fruit to begin again a thousand times over. In human history it was during these repeating sections that consciousness developed Homo Sapiens, agriculture and domesticated herds, signed treaties to establish the sovereignty of nations and their people and put up the Internet creating a planetary consciousness in 1992.
This pattern of Creation, an action plan, can be seen happening everywhere in the universe from sub-atomic particles to galaxies over and over. “As above, So below.”
Notice that we go from a “Light” section directly to another new “Light section.
The deck is stacked. Creation is on our side and always has been.
This pattern does have an acceleration built into it. Each cycle of Creation contains the same amount of advancement and change but each cycle runs 20 times faster. The same amount of change that happened in 1.26 billion years of the Cellular cycle now occurs in 360 days as can be seen on the chart below and in the news on TV.
Cycle name**Began*****************Length of Days/Nights****End Results
Cellular
16 .4 Billion Years Ago
1.26 Billion Years
1st Live Cells
Mammalian
840 Million Years Ago
63.1 Million Years
1st Live Births
Family
41 Million Years Ago
3.1 Million Years
Family Relationships
Tribal
2 Million Year Ago
180,000 Years
Homo Sapiens/Tools
Cultural
102,000 Years Ago
7900 Years
Agriculture/Religion
National
5,116 Years Ago
396 Years
Soveriegn Nations/Laws
Planetary
1755 AD
19.7 Years
Internet & Global Economy
Galactic
Jan 4th 1999
360 Days
Ethical Considerations
Universal
Feb 10 2011
20 Days
Consciousness/Co-Creation
The above chart is generated from the Mayan Tun (tune) calendar that runs in 360 day long cycles not 365.25 day long cycles of the Gregorian calendar. This is a very important point that will be covered later.
This chart does in no way conflict with either the Creationist or the Evolutionist points of view. This schedule marries the two beliefs. No matter how uncomfortable that concept may be at the outset, the facts that Creation has evolved are indisputable because that evolution and schedule continues today. In fact the evolution of all consciousness has accelerated to such a degree that we can watch it unfold step by step as in time-lapse photography in the current headlines.
In Dr. Carl J. Calleman’s book, “Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time, The Mayan Calendar,” he carefully lays out all of the scientifically accurate facts used to prove this thesis. The article here is not meant to fill everything in, just give an over all view. It is hoped that each person will investigate these facts for themselves and not take any of this on “Faith”. Belief in this thesis is actually counter-productive for two basic reasons; those without adequate knowledge can not effectively pass the information to others and a formula that I have developed which states;
“Peace of Mind” comes when a person is “Centered.” Centered-ness comes from Certainty. “Certainty comes from the recognition of patterns. So the stability of your “Peace of Mind” is directly related to your degree of certainty.
Blind faith, in my opinion, is not certainty but an obstruction of any facts that might undercut the faith. Thus creating a limit to one’s true Peace of Mind.
This in turn is the generator of all types of defensive measures including wars, to protect one’s personal faith in how things are or ought to be. We’ve gone down that road far enough don’t you think?
I would like to show the evolution of Religious thought as a further demonstration of this schedule. This is something that all religious scholars can agree on no matter what denomination or personal agenda.
As previously stated the “Light” sections or “Days” of the Creation cycles, are periods of enlightenment when new perceptions are gained by consciousness. So it is with the evolution of our concept of God and our relationship to him. “Day” by “Day” we have increased our understanding and altered our approach toward God.
The first “Day” of the National cycle was from 3115 BC to 2721 BC. It was at this time that the Sumerian’s worshiped An or Anu.
Anu was seen as an omnipotent Creator God who had to share his space with a host of household, workplace, weather and nature gods of all kinds.
The second “Day” of the National cycle was from 2326 BC to 1938 BC. During this section Abraham moved to Cana in 2300 BC.
The third “Day” of the National cycle was from 1538 BC to 1144 BC.
This was the time of Moses and the beginning of Monotheism. (The Truth coming into sharper focus.)
The fourth “Day” of the National cycle was from 749 BC to 355 BC.
Isaiah was from the year 748 BC, Buddha, 552 BC, Confucius, 551 BC, Zoroaster, 550 BC, Pythagoras, 550 BC, Deutero- Isaiah 550 BC .
The fifth “Day” of the National cycle was from 40 AD to 434 AD. During this period Paul took the message of Jesus to the world and Christianity was born. Buddhism started in China 60 AD and the Talmudic and Judaism religions began at this time.
Not to mention Quetzalcoatl, the Maya Creator god who appeared to them in Teotihuacan, as a Christ like personage with a very similar message, in 40AD
The Fifth “Night” 434 AD to 829 AD was when Islam was inspired in 632AD
The Sixth “Day” of the National cycle was from 829 AD to 1223 AD. At this time there was a general expansion of Christianity to Northern and Eastern Europe.
The Crusades and development of the Papacy happened here as well as the second Quetzalcoatl in the Maya/Toltec city of Chichen Itza walked the earth.
The sixth “Night” the second wave of Islam 1223 AD to 1617 AD
The seventh “Day” was from 1617 AD to 2011 AD. During this period, Christianity expanded once again, starting with the Pilgrims in 1620 AD.
We could go through the discovery of scientific principles or communication methods or development of political ideals or the creation of America and we will see that the developments in each field conform to the same schedule. In fact everything we know of what has happened when follows this schedule.
There is no mistake; this is no 16.4 billion yearlong coincidence.
edit:spelling
The calendar focuses on the flow of creative energy/consciousness that is passing through the universe and equally effecting all things. Whereas our Gregorian calander focuses on the physical movement of our planet around the sun. Keeping us focused on the physical realities in our world and "unconscious" of the spiritual energy flowing all around us.
The Mayan calendar allows for the possibility of everything.... evolution, creation, the christian God, Judaism, buddhism, Islam, the second coming... It's all there. It would take me so long to explain why I believe in this cycle. The guy whose lectures I have listened to has a website that explains it far better than I ever could.
All I know is that in a very short period of time, I personally went from being a non-believer with a bleak outlook on the future. Someone stressed out about our global geopolitical system, economy... To someone who has a faith in a higher power. A belief that there is something more out there. A belief that my life may have a purpose greater than I can comprehend at this time. Again I am still learning. I have read partially the books and now I am making an attempt to understand them.
The reason this thread belongs in the Moving Train and not the AET is because I'm hoping that it will spark a discussion having to do with history/politics. Keep in mind that the cycle we are all living in right now according to the Mayan Calander is the Galactic cycle. The goal for this cycle is an ethical consciousness. In the spirit of that I would like reasoned debate.
If your interested, look it up or watch his videos on Google video. I am curious how many people on here are aware of this. And if anyone has any "blow it out of the water" information. So heres some info from the website.
http://www.mayanmajix.com/
What makes this information vital is many fold. First in general we have a road map of time and history. A road map is not a crystal ball, you don’t know just what will happen when you get to a destination. But knowing where you are going and seeing the landmarks along the way, is very reassuring. If you’ve been to a place before you can prepare for the circumstances you will find there. If you were going to Paris for example, you’d need French francs and some French phrases. This Creation pattern has repeated 7 times before and so we have, or at least consciousness has, been through all of this before.
The actual pattern of Creation described by the Mayan calendar looks like a pyramid with 9 levels. Immensely long periods of time with shorter and shorter periods stacked on top. Or even more accurately, as a set of nestled vessels, each of them 20 times smaller than the last.
Each of these 9 Creation cycles is 20 times shorter than the previous cycle. Each of these cycles is further divided into 13 equal sections of time and each of these sections has a purpose onto Creation. There are 7 sections of day and 6 sections of night to each level. The Sumerian, and Mesopotamians wrote this same pattern in clay tablets as their understanding of Creation. The Ancient Vedic texts, that are the basis of Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism and Taoism have the same understanding of 9 levels with 13 sections each. Our own Bible, states that there were 7 days to Creation in the book of Genesis.
Section one: is a period of “Light” or an opportunity for the growth of consciousness. It is the inception, a planting of seed, a new beginning or impetus to change or flow in a new direction. New perceptions become available.
Section two: is a period of “Night” or the opportunity to apply the enlightenment just received from Creation’s flow. This would be the germination of the seed planted in the dark soil or the developments of new points of view.
Section three: is another period of “Light” when duality is put on display. In nature, a seed sprouts up out of the ground and displays two leaves. The essential duality is always a new viewpoint that is overriding the ”old” consciousness.
As it has come down in human history, this has always been a time of civil turmoil.
Section four: is a period of “Dark” when polarized factions come to blows over their differences. Indeed these periods in human history are peaks of violence.
Section five: is another period of “Light.” In nature this is the development of a root system and the second set of leaves that will be a permanent part of the plant.
It is the establishment of the new consciousness as viable. In human history during this section lies or failed systems are disclosed so that progress is not blocked.
Section six: is another period of “Dark” The seedling set of leaves are dropped from the plant as another set of leaves spring from the top. These are at 90 degrees from the last set. In human history failed systems have been jettisoned, usually by force, during this section.
Section seven: another period of “Light” In a plants life, the tap root grows deep to firmly attach the plant while the stock thickens and branches form.
It is a period of expansion of the foundations laid. In human history the “New” point of view and way of doing things takes dominance. For instance the empire of Greece was built during this section.
Section eight: is a period of “Dark” once again or the application of new procedures. During this time a plant is multiplying its leaves and root system like mad. In human history it has usually been a period of rebuilding and a time of healing.
Section nine: here is a period of “Light.” In fact the brightest period of “light in the entire cycle. In a plants life this is when new chemicals are produced that carry the message to form buds. In human history, it was this section when Art was invented, the message of Jesus moved over the earth, Mr. Einstein discovered the theory of relativity and America with the victory of WWI rose to world power.
Section ten: another period of “Dark,” in fact, the darkest period of each cycle. In a plant’s life this is the growth of the bud. In your life it was puberty.
In human history this has been a time of great physical hardship or major conflicts. The Illonian Ice Age, Neanderthals going extinct, Rome falling and WWII are glaring examples.
Section eleven: again we are in a period of “Enlightenment.” This is the time of flowers for the plant. For you it was adolescence. In human history this was the creation of 1st tools, the 1st attempts at agriculture and constructed shelter, the renaissance and most recently, the flower children movement of the sixties.
Section twelve: one last period of “Dark” in the cycle happens now. In the plant’s life the flowers wilt and die setting the stage for fruit development or of seedpods that will dry. This is what happened to the Maya civilization right on queue. Throughout human history there have been conflicts and revolts during this period, most recent of these having been the Viet Nam war.
Section thirteen: a period of “Light” once again, a time of readiness for something new and different. A time of ascension, going from one level to the next higher level. The plant spreads the seeds or drops the fruit to begin again a thousand times over. In human history it was during these repeating sections that consciousness developed Homo Sapiens, agriculture and domesticated herds, signed treaties to establish the sovereignty of nations and their people and put up the Internet creating a planetary consciousness in 1992.
This pattern of Creation, an action plan, can be seen happening everywhere in the universe from sub-atomic particles to galaxies over and over. “As above, So below.”
Notice that we go from a “Light” section directly to another new “Light section.
The deck is stacked. Creation is on our side and always has been.
This pattern does have an acceleration built into it. Each cycle of Creation contains the same amount of advancement and change but each cycle runs 20 times faster. The same amount of change that happened in 1.26 billion years of the Cellular cycle now occurs in 360 days as can be seen on the chart below and in the news on TV.
Cycle name**Began*****************Length of Days/Nights****End Results
Cellular
16 .4 Billion Years Ago
1.26 Billion Years
1st Live Cells
Mammalian
840 Million Years Ago
63.1 Million Years
1st Live Births
Family
41 Million Years Ago
3.1 Million Years
Family Relationships
Tribal
2 Million Year Ago
180,000 Years
Homo Sapiens/Tools
Cultural
102,000 Years Ago
7900 Years
Agriculture/Religion
National
5,116 Years Ago
396 Years
Soveriegn Nations/Laws
Planetary
1755 AD
19.7 Years
Internet & Global Economy
Galactic
Jan 4th 1999
360 Days
Ethical Considerations
Universal
Feb 10 2011
20 Days
Consciousness/Co-Creation
The above chart is generated from the Mayan Tun (tune) calendar that runs in 360 day long cycles not 365.25 day long cycles of the Gregorian calendar. This is a very important point that will be covered later.
This chart does in no way conflict with either the Creationist or the Evolutionist points of view. This schedule marries the two beliefs. No matter how uncomfortable that concept may be at the outset, the facts that Creation has evolved are indisputable because that evolution and schedule continues today. In fact the evolution of all consciousness has accelerated to such a degree that we can watch it unfold step by step as in time-lapse photography in the current headlines.
In Dr. Carl J. Calleman’s book, “Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time, The Mayan Calendar,” he carefully lays out all of the scientifically accurate facts used to prove this thesis. The article here is not meant to fill everything in, just give an over all view. It is hoped that each person will investigate these facts for themselves and not take any of this on “Faith”. Belief in this thesis is actually counter-productive for two basic reasons; those without adequate knowledge can not effectively pass the information to others and a formula that I have developed which states;
“Peace of Mind” comes when a person is “Centered.” Centered-ness comes from Certainty. “Certainty comes from the recognition of patterns. So the stability of your “Peace of Mind” is directly related to your degree of certainty.
Blind faith, in my opinion, is not certainty but an obstruction of any facts that might undercut the faith. Thus creating a limit to one’s true Peace of Mind.
This in turn is the generator of all types of defensive measures including wars, to protect one’s personal faith in how things are or ought to be. We’ve gone down that road far enough don’t you think?
I would like to show the evolution of Religious thought as a further demonstration of this schedule. This is something that all religious scholars can agree on no matter what denomination or personal agenda.
As previously stated the “Light” sections or “Days” of the Creation cycles, are periods of enlightenment when new perceptions are gained by consciousness. So it is with the evolution of our concept of God and our relationship to him. “Day” by “Day” we have increased our understanding and altered our approach toward God.
The first “Day” of the National cycle was from 3115 BC to 2721 BC. It was at this time that the Sumerian’s worshiped An or Anu.
Anu was seen as an omnipotent Creator God who had to share his space with a host of household, workplace, weather and nature gods of all kinds.
The second “Day” of the National cycle was from 2326 BC to 1938 BC. During this section Abraham moved to Cana in 2300 BC.
The third “Day” of the National cycle was from 1538 BC to 1144 BC.
This was the time of Moses and the beginning of Monotheism. (The Truth coming into sharper focus.)
The fourth “Day” of the National cycle was from 749 BC to 355 BC.
Isaiah was from the year 748 BC, Buddha, 552 BC, Confucius, 551 BC, Zoroaster, 550 BC, Pythagoras, 550 BC, Deutero- Isaiah 550 BC .
The fifth “Day” of the National cycle was from 40 AD to 434 AD. During this period Paul took the message of Jesus to the world and Christianity was born. Buddhism started in China 60 AD and the Talmudic and Judaism religions began at this time.
Not to mention Quetzalcoatl, the Maya Creator god who appeared to them in Teotihuacan, as a Christ like personage with a very similar message, in 40AD
The Fifth “Night” 434 AD to 829 AD was when Islam was inspired in 632AD
The Sixth “Day” of the National cycle was from 829 AD to 1223 AD. At this time there was a general expansion of Christianity to Northern and Eastern Europe.
The Crusades and development of the Papacy happened here as well as the second Quetzalcoatl in the Maya/Toltec city of Chichen Itza walked the earth.
The sixth “Night” the second wave of Islam 1223 AD to 1617 AD
The seventh “Day” was from 1617 AD to 2011 AD. During this period, Christianity expanded once again, starting with the Pilgrims in 1620 AD.
We could go through the discovery of scientific principles or communication methods or development of political ideals or the creation of America and we will see that the developments in each field conform to the same schedule. In fact everything we know of what has happened when follows this schedule.
There is no mistake; this is no 16.4 billion yearlong coincidence.
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I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
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Kulkulcan played a major role in the worldview of ancient civilizations of Mexico and came in many guises including God of the wind. He supposedly incarnated in human form at times and because of his nature as the principle of light, it has been suggested that his earthly incarnations were manifestations of the same energy as that of Christ.
From my own research
According to the Mayan Calender, we enter into the "5th day" of the galactic cycle on November 23rd 2006. The energy force on that day is
7 Ahau 13 Ceh 12.19.13.15.0 (Mayan long count)
the next day is:
8 Imix 14 Ceh 12.19.13.15.1
the 3rd day is: November 25th 2006
9 Ik 15 Ceh 12.19.13.15.2
The first number corresponds with the 1-13 numbers that repeat.
Ceh is the Mayan month (a 20 day cycle numbered from 0-19 repeating).
From the bible, didn't christ rise again on the 3rd day?
Just something I found interesting.
Yeah I've read about this for a while. Some really cool stuff. I heard about it through Terence Mckenna ( http://www.surrealstudio.com/mckenna.html/ ). I also have the Jenkins book.
There is a video made by NOVA or TLC or one of those, they show 3D computer animimation fly throughs of what the cities in mexico (etc.) looked liked. Amazing civilization!
Well anyway, in the video they also show an 3D animation of the calender.....helps you to visualize the wheels in ya head.
There was some artical I saw reciently talking about how the sun did or is in the process of itself going into a new cycle.
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hold on... didn't the flower children movement and the vietnam war happen during the same period???
and furthermore, whatever website you got this shit from - its use of language makes my arms hurts from all the gesturing i am compelled to use to keep myself from yelling.
i really really want to believe in stuff like this. but i find more enlightenment in a cup of coffee.
Hey thanks for the reasoned debate. The beatnick generation started in the early 50's which was the real precursor to the hippie generation. Consciousness flows in both directions so when we all "evolve" into the next level of consciousness, it is like an ebb and flow pattern until we reach the end of this cycle (according to the Mayans). I hardly think that comparing the hippies and Vietnam and how they really line up with events on this particular calendar without studying it first gives you the authority to claim someone elses point of view as shit.
What we are all striving toward at this time is an ethical consciousness. That to me is not such a bad thing. Believe what you want to. That's okay.
Heres a link to a website from the University of Delaware regarding the month and day system of the Mayan calendar. http://www.ece.udel.edu/~mills/maya.html
The website I got the first stuff off of, http://www.mayanmajix.com , I would have liked to talk to the guy in person, Ian Lungold, to hear him speak about this. Since he's dead now, I guess I will just look at what he had to say when we was alive and then I'm on my own to do more research. But I don't think it is shit. It is just another way of looking at things. But I did buy the Carl Calleman book and am working my way through it.
We are all focused on a 365-day calander that follows the path of our earth around the sun. It keeps us very focused on the physical, and unaware of what may or may not be going on around us that is of a more spiritual nature.
The Mayans had 2 calendars that they worked off of mainly;
The Haab calendar - or the Mayan solar calendar, which was 360 days, and 5 extra "unlucky" days at the end (18 months of 20 days each)
The Tzolkin calendar - the lunar cycle calendar of the Mayans, which was 260 (20 cycles of 1-13 repeating that measured the waxing and waning (light and dark/day and night) cycles of the moon, which was said to be full on the 13th day and visable for the next 3 days.
There were many calendars throughout history that use a 360 day cycle. Ancient Babylon, Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian...
We didn't get our Gregorian Calendar until Pope Gregory in the 1500's and many people were killed to lay down that law. Civilizations were conquered, their ancient relics having to do with timekeeping and history were destroyed, a flag was planted and the new calendar day was announced.
What I am talking about is a system of counting days that appears to be true over time and history. I'm interested enough in it to try and learn more.
Another site I found today, someone has taken passages from the Bible and applied this 360 day solar cycle to them. It works. I think that science may be the proof of creation and the Mayans, and other civilizations understood the science behind the flow of creation better than anyone up to present day. They knew things were happening 5000 years ago. Couldn't they have been inspired by something or someone? Or did God only come to Moses on the mount? Isn't it possible that he has made his presence known to others at different time periods? Inspiration is divine, isn't it. Whether internal or external forces are driving it, when you are inspired to act on something, that is divine.
from http://www.direct.ca/trinity/360vs365.html
Interestingly enough earth may be headed for a 360-day year again!
Daniel 7:25 speaks about the last part of the tribulation with the Antichrist in power as lasting three-and-one-half years. The book of Revelation 11:2 and 13:5 describes the same period of time as being 42 months. Revelation 11:3 and 12:6 tells us that it is 1,260 days.
1,260 days divided by 42 months = 30 days per month.
42 months of 30 days per month = 3 1/2 years exactly of 360 days per year
To achieve a 30 day month the earth's orbit around the sun must be speed up so a year would = 360 days
Jesus speaking on the tribulation:
"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elects (chosen ones) sake those days will be shortened.
(Matthew 24:22)
"But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."
(Matthew 24:37)
Our Calendar of 365.2422 days per year x 3.5 years = 1278.3477 days
Revelations Calendar of 360 days per year x 3.5 years = 1260
This time period of 3.5 years would be shortened by 18.3477 days
From the Bible
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also saying, " Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousand of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all of their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
(Jude 1:14-15)
We found the dead sea scrolls which helped us to decipher a code.
The codex to the Mayan language was found on a stone tablet in the yucatan penninsula I think in the 50's in Coba, Mexico. (Also during a fifth-day period of enlightenment in the Mayan calender).
Another thing I thought was interesting when studying the days of the Mayan long count is take for example:
October 11th 2011 9 Akbal (night) 11 Yax (green?) 12.19.18.14.3
The last day of the final cycle of the Mayan Calendar.
October 12th 2011 10 Kan (corn) 12 Yax (green?)12.19.18.14.4
The first day after the period of enlightenment is complete. They Mayans believed that the Gods made them out of corn. I think somewhere in the bible it talks about 144,000 ascending to heaven.
The Mayan calendar completely counts down on
December 21st 2012 4Ahau (lord) 3Kankin(? meaning) 13.0.0.0.0
Anyway, that's all I have for today.
I love hearing about the Mayan culture and you made a point at the end of your post regarding the end of the calender...what do you speculate that means....?
Have you heard of a monument in Peru depciting the coming and passing of ages...I forget who the author was but they spoke how the monument was related to the Mayan calender in some way that he interpreted.....
I don't think I have any knowledge to say what that means. That's not really my place. I'm only interested in it but any speculation on it I believe should be personal.
What the Mayans beleived as far as I know to this point is that it signified the start of a new cycle. People who survived through the cycle would become elders. All debts were erased, everyting started over. What that means, I have no idea. But I'm not a doomsayer. I'm only looking at information out there is a different way. Kind of like a heart tracing. If you go into the ER and get put on a monitor, we are able to see your heart's electrical currency from 3 different views. A better picture than 1 view, but not complete. When you have a 12-lead EKG, it is like looking at your heart from 12 different angles. A better picture (I am a nurse, therefore - the EKG analogy). That is kind of how I try to approach things in life. The more viewpoints you hear about, the clearer of a picture of any situation you get. We all have choices in life to beleive what we want. When we become rigid in our viewpoints we start shutting out opposing viewponts. At that point out picture becomes distorted to see only what we allow in.
Humans can process images at 24 frames per second. Anything faster than that and we can no longer distinguish the difference between light and dark. (Think of a strobe light). If technology is evolving so fast, then what happens when we start to process things as a faster rate. I know that my 8 year old knows more about computers now than I did at 25.
The Mayans talk about the cycle as an evolution of conscoiusness. Not necessarily the physical world. That is fascinating to me. The thought of becoming more aware of what is going on around us. If there is truth to the Mayan cycle, then when it comes to the "dark" sections in the cycle. Knowing that they are not lasting 20 years anymore, but only 360 days at this time period might be helpful... I don't know.
The lecturer I listened to said that eventually our monetary system will break down and we will be back on a barter system of gratitude. The difference is that all our resources will still be there, but instead of paying for things with worthless money, we will be paying for things with kindness. The people that get stuck on the money train will not survive. He said we will be back in communities that will be working toward a common goal. He said the technologies developed in the fifth day will benefit mankind greatly and ethically. He stated that the earth will also be going through many changes too. And that will cause wars to end. (There will be no time to fight a war if we are all trying to deal with severe weather patterns). That is supposedly when we become ethical and then evolve into the next cycle in 2011 that will be supposedly 20x faster than the cycle we are in right now with each day and night period lasting 20 days.
Astronomically, I've heard there are some pretty interesting things going on in the galaxy. Some sort of alignment with the earth, sun and constillation Sagitarrius which might have a black hole at the center. There is supposedly some type of cross symbol alignment in the heavens on the winter solstice in 2012. I haven't looked any of these up yet. Only read about them and I like to check my facts first so take that with a grain of salt.
There are a lot of theories, but if it is our consciousness that is supposed to evolve, then would our bodies and minds go along with that if this is a spiritual calendar?
Many interesting things I want to learn about. I'm just a novice at this point.
What you have alluded to with the planets lining up on that specific day that signifies the end of the Mayan calander is very interesting and is the focus of the monument in Peru....for that matter I believe that is what the monument depicts...something to do with a cross.....
Ha Ha. I had no idea. Now it all makes sense.
Furthermore, the historic periods are so wide, something "good" or "bad" to highlight was bound to have happened within them.
Otherwise, perhaps a standard acceleration schedule can be found from an idea's inception, to it's widespread use. But be aware that this is retrospective fitting into the model.
In any case, I dont see how this indicates any "plan" of any sort, even if it were true.
And I really want to believe in stuff like this, and I am no stranger to thoughts in this direction. However, retro-fitted history like this is way too speculative for me to put any faith in.
Peace
Dan
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Exactly, and I'm no fan of Islam but this whole thing is ridiculously biased against Muslims. Islamic civilization is not all bad, and when you look at Christianity throughout the centuries, I can't imagine seeing it as the "light".
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According to the Maya, the World Tree is what creates and maintains the Four Directions of the world.
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The Four Directions are associated with different energies and colors that give them different qualities. The Four Directions are related to the center of the world, called Yaxkin by the Maya.
North - Xaman White - Zac
West - Chikin Black - Ek
South - Nohol Yellow - Kan
East - Lakin Red - Chac
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In the Native American American view, the four directions embody spiritual qualities that influence human life differently depending on the reigning time cycle. The spiritual winds generated by the Four Directions, dominating different time cycles are the essence of the Mayan view.
There are significant mental and spiritual differences between the directions of the East and the West. The line that separates the east and the west. Geographically speaking, the planetary medicine wheel?
A preliminary hypothesis puts it at East 12 degrees longitude, through central Europe and central Africa, the midline of the continental mass of the earth, stretching from the westernmost tip of Alaska to the Easternmost tip of Siberia. The "trunk" of the world tree. The north and south divider is the Equator. The center of the world tree is currently located in central Africa in the country now known as Gabon.
If we use the Mayan Calendar to study the directions in which the spiritual winds have been blowing as the energies of the thirteen Heavens of the Great cycle have shifted. We can then track historical events occuring at the baktun shifts of the great cycle in relation to a hypothetical midline of the planet running through longitude 12 east. It runs through Rome and Copenhagen.
If we summarize the various movements from and toward the planetary midline at the baktun shifts of the Great Cycle, the very pattern of historical winds emerges.
-Heavens with odd numbers intiate movements from the planetary midline toward the east and the west.
-Heavens with even numbers intiate movements from the east toward the midline.
-Violent migratory movements away from and toward the planetary midline at the very beginning of each of the later Heavens of the Great cycle.
-It seems as if one divine force rules over the 7 odd-numbered Heavens
-Different from the energy ruling over the even-numbered Heavens.
-History seems with every new Heaven to be blowing north.
-Assume that an invisible cross of consiousness-field boundaries is introduced by the earth. An expression of the World tree.
-During odd numbered Heavens movements north (and probably south) of the equator.
-Gods of the 1st, 7th, and 13th levels were dual male/female gods.
According to the Maya, the first father raised the world tree giving rise to the four directions, at the beginning of the first of the odd-numbered heavens in the Great Cycle.
They described the raising or the activation of the world tree by the father as the crucial initiatory event of creation. The Mayans beleives that this happened in 3115 BC at the "beginning of man's story" in the Mayan Cycle.
According to the Maya, the World tree was the source of all life, human beings included, and so it has turned this world into a living pulsating world where all parts are connected and interdependant.
Like I said I'm still learning about this. If there is anyone that is somewhat of an expert who has additional knowledge about this, I'd be interested in hearing it.
The book goes into great detail on the specifics in history, but I have given you the basics.
Here's an interesting thought though (PJ related). Albeit possibly paranoid due to all this Mayan stuff that has been invading my thoughts lately. Dropping Knowledge is in Berlin Germany which lies right on the 12th degree longitude. Where the participants are seated in that circle and what they have to say and how it manifests in the world according to the winds of change will be interesting to see. Just too bad I don't have a thesis or something to write.
Thanks very much for this great great read.
I never have heard about the Mayan calendar (I mean I heard it but did not know anything about it), but while I was reading with an open mind I picked up on the idea.
and p.s. for long now I think that lots of very smart and wise knowledge of former cultures just vanished or got forbidden or just were never told,
so we stuck on our modern believes and take it for granted.
so again, a big thank you for your effort to teach us about the Mayan calendar... makes sense in ways to me and I want to know more now.
and another p.s.
and one thing especially kept my attention: in 2011 starts a new cycle, so maybe there is indeed some truth in the line of PJs evolution (2010 watch it all goes on fire)
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
As my other half also uses this avatar, you may sense a duality, but nonetheless, oneness. This is the essence of this process/journey that I've been traveling and an amazing one at that to come from a place of deep agnosticism/political discontent, to a place of spiritual contentment and oneness with the positive and negative in life. And wanted to bring this to this table of thinking, feeling, compassionate and passionate folk. Who many of you I know in spirit more than conversation. You people who, in moments of doubt, we all turn to and lean on each other for knowledge and wisdom. Some publically and some privately, but all with the intention of walking away feeling better than when we arrived.
Truely, there is no dark, but only variances of light/knowledge, some being dim and others shining brighter/clearer. And all knowledge has purpose. If all that has happened to you in the past has led you to the person that you are in the present. And if you are comfortable with that person you indetify as "self" then you have to take the positive and negative things that have happened in your life and accept them as just necessary events to "get you there". It allows for tremendance acceptance, and forgiveness. Letting go of what was never yours to hold.
Choosing which type of energy you want to attract into your life down your journey. That is the choice we all have in this same path in spite of our differences. A consciousness of words and thought that resonate out of each of us as energy and how that energy is affecting other people. Universal Laws of Attraction kind of thing. The responsability that in every moment we can choose to use words that could take someone's spirit away from them and in the same consciousness not allowing anothers words to affect your spirit. It's all about staying balanced and in your center. And meditation helps!
Happiness in the moment and in awe at the former "Coincidences" in our lives that now take a more meaningful representation. And with increased frequency the more your awareness changes. And WATER!!!! WOW!
I wanted to share this with all of you as a way of expressing my gratitude for all you have done in my life so far. As we travel down this journey seeping into and out of each other's consciousness with specific purpose, the goal of learning what you can teach or learn from in every moment. Makes life sweet! Pearl Jam, it's music and it's fans are never far away from my heart! Because truely, my thoughts and consciousness evolved so much over the last 13years and just the presence of this board had done so much to shape my personal self.
Love to all.
What books are these? Can you drop a few names?
Most definately. And with that first question. I am finding that the more questions I ask, the more I find answers.
"The Power of Intention" by Wayne Dyer
"The power of now" by Eckhart Tolle
"The Hidden Messages in Water" by Masaru Emoto
Lao Tzu (parallels with Jesus)
"the idiot's guide to Ethics"
Various Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell books
Platoism
"Tao of Jeet Kun Do" by Bruce Lee
"The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness" by Carl Calleman
"The Shaman's Secret - The lost resurection teachings of the Ancient Maya" by Douglas Gillette
"The Kolbrin"
The archetecture of Frank Gehry
"Bagavad Gita"
"Bible"
"Happiness by Dali Lama"
"The Law of Attraction" by by Esther and Jerry Hicks
Just picked up "The Return of Quetzalcoatl" by Daniel Pinchbeck but have yet to open it.
Poetry by Rumi, a sufi master.
That's about all I can think of for now, but an amazing process and so many parelles in all. Most of these I have not yet read in entirety, but flipping through various pages with intention and desire to learn for the positive, with a skeptic mind that was fractionally open. Wow! I have found that some wisdom is hard to swallow of course, but with anything, you take what feels pertinent and leave the rest. We all get there, our roads are all different and our viewpoint is what makes us all unique. Hope this helps.
That's quite a list. Cheers!
Edit: I didn't know Daniel Pinchbeck had a new one out. I read 'Breaking open the head'. Thought it was incredible.
The Tao of Physics - Fritjof Capra
A New Model of the Universe - P. D. Ouspensky
The Mysticism of Sound and Music - Hazrat Inayat Khan
The Upanishads - Eknath Easwaran edition
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And also Tuvian Throat Singing - not something I would ever dream of doing, but I think it may be the most beautiful sound I have ever heard. The process of creating harmonics with the voice. 2 notes from one mouth at the same time. I think my spirit changed forever in that moment as I couldn't see it as anything but divine inspiration! Thanks for the reminder!
The movie "What the bleep do you know?" Has a lot of concepts on this. I remember the first time I watched it and never got into it. Too hokey for me. And as bias and boundaries continue to break down, I have that Aha! moment.
I'll raise the list to include
"The Popol Vuh" the Mayan "bible"
and add anything about creating personal Mandala's. A great Catharsis.
Any music by a band called Pearl Jam! A great ocean of wisdom in my consciousness. And there is the water again! Love the process!
Keep em coming!
I have a few questions anyway:
1) where does the chinese understanding of the "chi" or "qi" energy force come into this? It doesn't mention much of that culture. I always thought they had a handle on understanding ancient energy forces too (in a different way probably).
2) Why is there an acceleration period on creation? I've always felt the world was turning faster and things moving too quickly just in my own life - is this part of it? Why is that?
3) This begs the question as to what happens after the Universal period from feb 20 2011. What's that about?
4) Were the mayans able to predict their own demise? Is that why they declined - because they knew it was going to happen?
5) How did the Mayans develop this calendar? Are there examples of similar calendars/outlooks in other cultures from this age?
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but also
and this is just my take, try to make it short..
people seem to take the end of the calendar as the end of our world, and it may be, but there is a bigger question.
when thinking of the first cell... think of yourself as a cell
the cell ended a period of what we can percieve as nothingness..
so what will end the period of conciousness..
The Law of attraction is an amazing thing. These past two weeks i have been reading books on the Mayan calendar and the law of attraction. And here I sit down and what appears on the board is your thread. I am starting to get a little freaked out but that only means that I am starting to take it to hart. thank you for this thread. Any more info that you can find and share with us would be great.
The parallels in all my readings, led me to question religion and it's true intent. Perhaps keeping "secret" wisdom secret to keep the masses from thinking and feeling that we are more than our own body. In that they maintain control and power.
Like I said before, I have a very limited backround with Bible study, save that of my Grandmothers wisdom. Herself being a Jehovah's Witness excommunicated my entire life. I attended Catholic Church 5 times a week in highschool by choice. Long story short.... met a boy.... fell away for a while.... Stopped believing in religion... And started believing in the power to CHOOSE! I started feeling the concept of in every moment in my life, I' have chioce and in that, I am my own God. The Kolbrin employs the concept of a Greater God, the Creator, and Lesser Gods, men. There is much talk about the soul and the soul seed. I wonder how this parallels Mormonism because I know nothing about that.
And WAP! one night I'm sitting in front of my computer watching a video series on the Mayan Calendar for I don't know what reason... But in that moment, I felt a cascade of events that led me to my present... And hopeful about the future...
As I started Reading into these texts and realize that they all say the same flipping thing! And I dont want to leave the Koran out either. There is amazing wisdom in there too.
So in doing these globalized, synchronized meditations to bring oneself closer to the Earth and in the spirit of peace. (Beginners need to meditate on the 'outside' of the body). I feel that people all around are getting there. I feel a "oneness" that transcends the bias and boundaries that we all put up.
These meditations are centered on the Ahau days of the Mayan Calendar (That translating into "Lord" and being the end of a repeating 20 day mayan month). But these meditations are also across the globe and the US in different forums. I think if more people start thinking about this. And thought radiate our as energy affecting the things all around us (Butterfly effect guys). Then if we all start pushing out positive thoughts then we can change the world. These meditations are centered around pulses in the Venus cycle.
Apocalypse translates to change. Perhaps the apocalypse is the breakdown of religion and we all enter into a new world of acceptance and spirituality. No longer alone in our search for God, but a oneness with God, and other man. Ahhh World Peace. In this new Fifth Day period we are all in. The light is at it's brightest... The barriers have been removed. The information is out there just waiting to be tapped. The major consciousness that is changing in my sincere belief is that we are working towards peace. Gained during a meditation session including the author of the Mayan Calendar book, Carl Calleman, at the start of the fifth day cycle and coinciding with a venus pulse. The author said that the evolution of consciousness that is changing all around the planet now is the consciousness that wars cannot be won. Wars can still be fought, but they cannot be won. Great to ponder and to me it makes sense. I want to listen to the song "Living Planet" by Jay Mankita. Great song! Though not PJ.
Great Wisdom from my daughter as she jumped into the car the other day!
She says, "MOM! I want to go to Washington DC! Know why? This might sound kind of weird and gross, but Mom, Albert Einstein's brain is in Washington DC and Do you know what mom? He has the most wrinkley brain ever! The more you think, the more wrinkley your brain gets! I wonder if anyone can have a more wrinkley brain than him?"
Epiphanies on that one statement rush through my head. From the mind and heart of a 9 year old girl. I start thinking about Science and Biology, Cellular structure, Atomic electron structure and stability, the planetary rotations in relation to the electrons. I think back to my own college experience and that we already know what parts of the brain have effects on different areas of our body. I wonder if just thinking those thoughts that are focused in a certain area of the brain will help you develop that area. This is the concept that I later associated with the Power of Intention book by Wayne Dyer.
The mayan speed up is just talking about how time speeds up seemingly as technology advances. It is our choice how we use that technology because with it comes great misuse. That what once was taking 20 years to complete (Generation Gap) is now completed in a year. I can actually grasp the concept of instant manifestation of what we want in the technology we have and if it serves a purpose, what is it? If the system breaks down.... Monitary, political, social... We will still have the same resources that we had before... Just not the same delivery system. Maybe this instant internet communication this is prepping us all for something greater and maybe in looking at the footsteps of communication advances in relation to the mayan cycle, we are moving toward telepathy. That if the system should suddenly break down, we will have that knowledge to bring us through to the next level. And the Mayan Calendar, if true, gives us a time frame in which to look for changes. And a realization that if something bad is going to happen (The fifth night period, set to start in 2007 and also lasting 360 days)but if we know how to prepare for that, it makes it less stressful.
The Ethics train is on a crash course with the Power train and Ethics will overcome. There is more humanity in man than hate. And if I can get there. A Sinning, cursing, swearing, smoking, nurse, wife and mom on my own in my own search, I believe there is hope for all of us. That creation is always put forth with positive intention and from there we take it down negative roads. As I have been going through my days with a new awareness of the Spiritual Energy Flow that is the basis of the Mayan Calendar, I am constantly amazed, and in that reminded that there is a greater purpose in life.
That when our spirit calls on us to act (usually around age 30 according to a spiritual alchemy lecture I listened to) it is our choice in that moment to become successful and run with it, or push it away. Maybe that is where mental illness and injury comes from. That has to do with the Qi or Chi.
I did a paper in college about Chi Gong therapy. The thought that there is 7 different energy pathways or flows running through the body. They do not follow the circulatory patterns of blood or lymph. And when the energy patterns are disruppted, illness and injury result. That is the goal of the true faith healers. To realign the Chi. So they took accupuncture needles and tipped them into radioactive dye, like the kind they would use in a CT scan and placed them on the different accupuncture points on the body. Then they did a CT scan and it was showed that the dye followed definate pathways through the body but not along the blood/lymph paths. It has been over 10 years since I worte this paper, so I can't source it for you. But this place is full of wisdom and perhaps someone else can add some light to the issue.
Peace
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