Does the NRA support assisted suicide?

bingerbinger Posts: 179
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/30/guns.suicides.ap/index.html

ATLANTA, Georgia, (AP) -- The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves from intruders in their homes. But research shows that surprisingly often, gun owners use the weapons on themselves.


The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves.

1 of 2 Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

There was nothing unique about that year -- gun-related suicides have outnumbered firearm homicides and accidents for 20 of the last 25 years. In 2005, homicides accounted for 40 percent of gun deaths. Accidents accounted for 3 percent. The remaining 2 percent included legal killings, such as when police do the shooting, and cases that involve undetermined intent.

Public-health researchers have concluded that in homes where guns are present, the likelihood that someone in the home will die from suicide or homicide is much greater.

Studies have also shown that homes in which a suicide occurred were three to five times more likely to have a gun present than households that did not experience a suicide, even after accounting for other risk factors.

In a 5-4 decision, the high court on Thursday struck down a handgun ban enacted in the District of Columbia in 1976 and rejected requirements that firearms have trigger locks or be kept disassembled. The ruling left intact the district's licensing restrictions for gun owners.

One public-health study found that suicide and homicide rates in the district dropped after the ban was adopted. The district has allowed shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks.

The American Public Health Association, the American Association of Suicidology and two other groups filed a legal brief supporting the district's ban. The brief challenged arguments that if a gun is not available, suicidal people will just kill themselves using other means.


More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent, the brief said, citing studies.

"Other methods are not as lethal," said Jon Vernick, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.

The high court's majority opinion made no mention of suicide. But in a dissenting opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer used the word 14 times in voicing concern about the impact of striking down the handgun ban.

"If a resident has a handgun in the home that he can use for self-defense, then he has a handgun in the home that he can use to commit suicide or engage in acts of domestic violence," Breyer wrote.

Researchers in other fields have raised questions about the public-health findings on guns.

Gary Kleck, a researcher at Florida State University's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, estimates there are more than 1 million incidents each year in which firearms are used to prevent an actual or threatened criminal attack.

Public-health experts have said the telephone survey methodology Kleck used likely resulted in an overestimate. iReport.com: Watch William Bernstein share his views on gun ownership

Both sides agree there has been a significant decline in the last decade in public-health research into gun violence.

The CDC traditionally was a primary funder of research on guns and gun-related injuries, allocating more than $2.1 million a year to such projects in the mid-1990s.

But the agency cut back research on the subject after Congress in 1996 ordered that none of the CDC's appropriations be used to promote gun control.


Vernick said the Supreme Court decision underscores the need for further study into what will happen to suicide and homicide rates in the district when the handgun ban is lifted.

Today, the CDC budgets less than $900,000 for firearm-related projects, and most of it is spent to track statistics. The agency no longer funds gun-related policy analysis.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    If someone wants to kill themselves they are going to do it anyway, possession of a gun isn't the sell in that case.
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    So.. tall buildings and bridges also assist in suicide.
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    I thought I had found something to ponder. Bridges and buildings get people where they want to go and a place to work. Guns are designed to do one thing, put a metal slug into whatever it's pointed at.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Swimming pools and motorcycles assist in suicides as well. So do schick razors, and rope from outdoor equipment stores. Same with prescription drugs. Stupid thread.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    binger wrote:
    I thought I had found something to ponder. Bridges and buildings get people where they want to go and a place to work. Guns are designed to do one thing, put a metal slug into whatever it's pointed at.
    Yes, guns are for lethal purposes, but I can assure you, the NRA does not support suicide. That's not their point.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    I thought Libtards supported assisted suicide?
  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    69charger wrote:
    I thought Libtards supported assisted suicide?

    HAHAHAHA........Libtards....
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    ...

    my bad...
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    69charger wrote:
    I thought Libtards supported assisted suicide?


    I would think gunpussys would be happy to help people kill themselves...
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    inmytree wrote:
    I would think gunpussys would be happy to help people kill themselves...

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -- Sigmund Freud
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    If someone wants to take their life not having a firearm handy isn't going to stop them. Besides it's that person's right to end their life if they so choose, it may be a bit selfish but that's besides the point.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    69charger wrote:
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -- Sigmund Freud

    quoting a guy who wanted to screw his mother...why am I not surprised...
  • I don't know the NRA's stance on the subject, I doubt they have one since they are pretty much a 1 issue group.

    My personal opinion is that suicide rates should have nothing to do with the legality of guns. Guns are just tools, there are many ways to commit suicide and someone who truly wants to die will find a way, a way that may be more painful or more likely to not work and cause permanent damage.

    My mom was one of those "gun related suicide" statistics in 1990 and I still own guns.
  • jeffbr wrote:
    Swimming pools and motorcycles assist in suicides as well. So do schick razors, and rope from outdoor equipment stores. Same with prescription drugs. Stupid thread.
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    I don't know the NRA's stance on the subject, I doubt they have one since they are pretty much a 1 issue group.

    My personal opinion is that suicide rates should have nothing to do with the legality of guns. Guns are just tools, there are many ways to commit suicide and someone who truly wants to die will find a way, a way that may be more painful or more likely to not work and cause permanent damage.

    My mom was one of those "gun related suicide" statistics in 1990 and I still own guns.


    It is true that if someone wants to die they will find a way, but I don’t think it is as simple as that. I think the fact that suicide by gun is a lot more instantaneous than a lot of other methods makes it different. I remember seeing an interview with a guy who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. He said as he was falling he remembered thinking that he wanted to live. Now if you want to jump off a building you have to get to the top of the building, crawl out to the edge and look down before you jump. If you want to run your car with the garage door closed it will take awhile before you pass out. If you take a bunch of pills odds are there is some time before you pass out. If you slit your wrists you probably also have a bit of time before you bleed out. In all of those cases there is an opportunity to change your mind and try to save yourself. But if you use a gun once you pull the trigger there is really no going back.

    Sure if someone for sure wants to kill themselves it won't matter, but if someone just kind of wants to kill themselves I think it makes a difference.
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