Ron Paul excluded from NH debate/forum!

YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul

December 28, 2007 10:39 pm EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.

“Given Ron Paul’s support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fundraising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul has consistently polled higher in New Hampshire than some of the other candidates who have been invited.”

Snyder continued, “Paul supporters should know that we are continuing to make inquiries with Fox News as to why they have apparently excluded Dr. Paul from this event.”


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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    another ron paul thread. is everyone rallying around this guy so when the next president is elected you can wash your hands of it and say seeeee I wanted ron from day one.


    but this is a good thread. excluding him is wrong
  • I wish them luck with their latest attempt at censorship.

    I wonder what they are so scared of?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • I wish them luck with their latest attempt at censorship.

    I wonder what they are so scared of?



    Fox News can’t handle people with different view points to well. Especially, people who can handle them selves and stay on target with their message in a hostile environment.


    If you caught his interview on Fox and Friends you would have seen Dr Ron Paul shred the pansies a new one. After that interview Fox News placed Dr Ron Paul on ignore.

    BTW I not a big fan of Dr Ron Paul but at least I know where he stands on the issues. Not something that can be said about most candidates Republicans and Democrats.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i will say again that the GOP is hamstringing themselves by not including this guy. he is the closest thing to a true conservative that they have going for them this election cycle. except for alan keyes lol..
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  • EbizzieEbizzie Posts: 240
    I promise you that the GOP isn't arguing against this one bit. Paul makes the other candidates discuss the issues, something that they obviously want to avoid.
    "Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    exactly. have you noticed the differences in questioning between the GOP and democratic debates? the GOP candidates seem to dance around the questions, while the dems force themselves to try to answer them.

    paul needs to be at this thing.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    i will say again that the GOP is hamstringing themselves by not including this guy. he is the closest thing to a true conservative that they have going for them this election cycle. except for alan keyes lol..

    it's not the GOP; Paul's website says it's FOX that's not doing the inviting.

    "ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.

    “Given Ron Paul’s support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fundraising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul has consistently polled higher in New Hampshire than some of the other candidates who have been invited.”

    Snyder continued, “Paul supporters should know that we are continuing to make inquiries with Fox News as to why they have apparently excluded Dr. Paul from this event.”
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  • t206t206 Posts: 63
    I wonder what they are so scared of?

    They are scared of Ron Paul...according to Ron Paul :)

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2007/12/paul_fox_news_i.html


    Paul: Fox News is 'scared of me'
    By James Pindell December 29, 2007 01:40 PM
    PLAISTOW, N.H. -- Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network "is scared" of him.

    "They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said in an interview at a diner here. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

    Paul's staff said they are beginning to plan a rally that will take place at the same time the 90-minute debate will air on television. It will be taped at Saint Anselm College in Goffstown.

    "They will not win this skirmish," he promised.

    The Fox debate occurs less than 24 hours after two back to back Republican and Democratic debates on the same campus sponsored by ABC News, WMUR-TV and the social networking website Facebook.

    Paul, the Republican Texas Congressman, was wrapping up his final day of campaigning in New Hampshire until the Iowa Caucuses on Thursday.

    He spent much of the day campaigning at diners in Manchester and Plaistow and downtown walks in Derry and Exeter.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    t206 wrote:
    They are scared of Ron Paul...according to Ron Paul :)

    They certainly appear to be scared of the message, if not the messenger.
    "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

    There really is no disputing this.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    i will say again that the GOP is hamstringing themselves by not including this guy. he is the closest thing to a true conservative that they have going for them this election cycle.

    that is true...

    i find it funny that so many "republicans" dont even understand their own principles... bill clinton was far more of a conservative then Bush... but they dont want to hear that, they just hate him because he can still get hummers form girls in their early 20's :p
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
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    this is one reason why living in a free democratic society is a good thing. I just sent a nice long email to fox. and most all other media outlets are equally as guilty for "playing favorites"
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    A little toon on ALL the Republican candidates called "The Nights Before Caucus II

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  • http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2007/12/paul_fox_news_i.html

    "PLAISTOW, N.H. -- Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network "is scared" of him.

    "They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said in an interview at a diner here. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

    Paul's staff said they are beginning to plan a rally that will take place at the same time the 90-minute debate will air on television. It will be taped at Saint Anselm College in Goffstown.

    "They will not win this skirmish," he promised.

    The Fox debate occurs less than 24 hours after two back to back Republican and Democratic debates on the same campus sponsored by ABC News, WMUR-TV and the social networking website Facebook.

    Paul, the Republican Texas Congressman, was wrapping up his final day of campaigning in New Hampshire until the Iowa Caucuses on Thursday.

    He spent much of the day campaigning at diners in Manchester and Plaistow and downtown walks in Derry and Exeter."
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    this is one reason why living in a free democratic society is a good thing. I just sent a nice long email to fox. and most all other media outlets are equally as guilty for "playing favorites"

    This is the list i spammed, starting with all the Senior and JR. VPs in marketing, PR and investor relations, and the rest are all emails for Fox show inboxes ... :D
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  • YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    Seems the Democrats are getting the same treatment as Kucinach etc are not invited to the ABC debates...

    http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=FOX%2c+ABC+to+reduce+debate+fields&articleId=025f02bc-d9bb-48fb-9c77-53e7746cbbae

    Manchester – This weekend’s presidential debates and forum will not include some nationally-known candidates, and the chairmen of the state Republican and Democratic parties are not happy.

    Fergus Cullen and Raymond Buckley say the decisions by ABC News, WMUR and, in Cullen’s case, FOX News, are inconsistent with the New Hampshire primary’s tradition of providing a level playing field for all candidates.

    ABC News and WMUR-TV (Channel 9) confirmed today that they have established performance-based criteria for Saturday night's pair of presidential debates. Those rules could leave several relatively well-known candidates on the outside looking in, including Democrats Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd.

    And Cullen confirmed that FOX News has invited only five presidential candidates to a GOP forum scheduled for Sunday night, leaving out Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter. Cullen said the state GOP is in “ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate” and remains a forum co-sponsor, at least for now.

    According to WMUR news director Andrew Vrees and a posting on the ABC News web site, in order to participate in the Saturday night back-to-back GOP and Democratic events at Saint Anselm College, candidates must meet at least one of three criteria:

    -- Place in the top four in the Iowa caucuses, which will be held on Thursday.

    -- Poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four reputable random sample New Hampshire telephone surveys sponsored by an established news organization and conducted and released by 9 a.m. on Friday, Jan. 4.

    -- Poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four reputable random sample national telephone surveys sponsored by an established news organization and conducted and released on or before 9 a.m. on Jan. 4.

    “WMUR and ABC discussed for a lengthy period of time what the criteria would be and we agreed to the final criteria,” Vrees said. He said that he and station manager Jeff Bartlett were involved in the discussions.

    “I think the goal of the debate is to be as inclusive as possible and to give voters the critical information they need to distinguish among the candidates at a critical point in the campaign,” Vrees said.

    Vrees said that WMUR “has been incredibly inclusive when it comes to the candidates throughout the year.”

    Cullen said that FOX News has invited John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee to the Sunday forum.

    “No one else was invited,” Cullen said.

    In a statement, Cullen was critical of all sponsors of the debates and the forum.

    “Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first-in-the-nation primary,” he said. “The level playing field requires that all serious candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate -- not just a selected few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.”

    He said that the state GOP “calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.”

    Cullen said the party “has notified FOX News of our position and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.”

    Democratic Chair Raymond Buckley focused his comments on WMUR.

    “New Hampshire has a long and proud tradition of serving as a level playing field,” he said. “New Hampshire is the one state where each candidate can be given an equal opportunity to be heard by the voters.

    “I would strongly encourage any New Hampshire media outlet holding candidate debates or forums to not eliminate a sitting U.S. senator or member of Congress,” Buckley said.

    GOP candidate Paul has said that FOX News is “scared of me” and has called the network “propagandists for this (Iraq) war, and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative.”

    Paul spokesman Kate Rick said the Paul campaign “has called FOX a half-dozen times and have received no response.

    “We have been here in New Hampshire a fair amount. We have raised $19 million this quarter and we’re polling at 8 percent here, which is ahead of Mr. Thompson,” Rick said. ““We are at a loss as to what criteria we are not meeting.”
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    WOW! The land of the free i guess means only the coroporation. can someone remind me why we attack Cuba for not having open elections and we do this.
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  • He'll be excluded from some state ballots too, I bet. Watch and see. The same stuff happens to Nader every election.
  • Saturnal wrote:
    He'll be excluded from some state ballots too, I bet. Watch and see. The same stuff happens to Nader every election.

    Not Ron Paul.
    He has YET to fail with getting the proper number of "Delegates" or signatures for state ballot requirements.

    All signs point to Yes for Ron Paul coming to a ballot near you!

    :D:D:D

    And CNBC is broadcasting a Poll that shows Paul in tie for statistical 3rd (stated tie for 4th) in Iowa!

    Actual Poll shows:
    Romney 27%
    Huckabee 23%
    McCain 13%
    Thompson 9%
    Paul 9%

    NO GIULIANI!

    Margin Of Distortion (uh, error) = 5.75%

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  • Oh Yeah.
    CALL BILL ORIELY and TELL HIM TO STUFF IT!

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    With about 85% http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=68161 of this forum's participants in favor of a phone blitz on Fox News, the BLITZ IS ON! The only thing that will preclude the blitz is if Fox News announces that Ron Paul will be included in the 1/6/08 forum.

    Here's how the blitz will work: Calls should be made between 8:00 am - 8:00 pm EST on 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4. If you get a busy signal, try another number from the list below. Let them know how you feel about Fox excluding Ron Paul from the 1/6 candidate forum. Be polite, professional, but assertive. (My thanks to liberty_Forever for the contact info!). The more calls made, the more successful the blitz will be. Our goal is that the people on the list below won't be able to pick up their phone without a Ron Paul supporter being on the other end.

    Fox's main number 888-369-4762.

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Oh Yeah.
    CALL BILL ORIELY and TELL HIM TO STUFF IT!

    Fox Call Blitz - Ronpaulforums.com
    With about 85% http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=68161 of this forum's participants in favor of a phone blitz on Fox News, the BLITZ IS ON! The only thing that will preclude the blitz is if Fox News announces that Ron Paul will be included in the 1/6/08 forum.

    Here's how the blitz will work: Calls should be made between 8:00 am - 8:00 pm EST on 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4. If you get a busy signal, try another number from the list below. Let them know how you feel about Fox excluding Ron Paul from the 1/6 candidate forum. Be polite, professional, but assertive. (My thanks to liberty_Forever for the contact info!). The more calls made, the more successful the blitz will be. Our goal is that the people on the list below won't be able to pick up their phone without a Ron Paul supporter being on the other end.

    Fox's main number 888-369-4762.

    * Kathy Ardleigh, Sen. Politics Producer
    o Phone: 212-301-3186

    * Thom Bird, Fox News Sen. Producer
    o Phone: 212-301-3250

    * Todd Ciganek, National News Editor
    o Phone: 212-301-3352 [This number connects to a fax machine]

    * Ian Rae, Exec. VP News
    o Phone: 212-301-8552

    * John Moody, Sen VP News
    o Phone: 212-301-8560

    * Brian Lewis, Executive Vice President of Corporate Communications
    o Phone: 212-301-3331

    * Irena Briganti, Vice President of Media Relations
    o Phone: 212-301-3608

    * Brian Knoblock, International Editor
    o Phone: 212-301-5486

    * Kim Schiller Hume, Wash DC Bureau Chief
    o Phone: 202-824-6389

    * Ken LaCorte, Los Angeles Bureau Chief
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    * Justin Schmidt, Chicago Bureau Chief
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    * Brit Hume, Managing Editor
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    * David Asman, Fox News Host
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    * Shepard Smith, Fox Report Host
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    * Bill O’Reilly, O’Reilly Factor Host
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    [ROFL! PLllllllleeeeeeeeeeeassssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tell him to STUFF IT!]

    * Jane Skinner, News Anchor
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    * John Moody, Sen VP News
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    * David Asman, Fox News Host
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    * Shepard Smith, Fox Report Host
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    Thanks for the info. I will begin calling now.
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  • mammasan wrote:
    Thanks for the info. I will begin calling now.


    From the ronpaulforums thread:

    niall wrote:
    Spoke with John Moody's assistant. I was very professional, and she was very sweet. She's keeping a "tally" and says John is well aware of the issue (and that I was not the first call on this matter). I'm not going to call her again, because I think that would be rude, but I recommend this number as a particularly good one for us to each call once.

    * John Moody, Sen VP News
    o Phone: 212-301-8560

    Keep hammering!
    WilliamC wrote: »
    Just had a 5 minute conversation with the man, he was polite but claimed that one person had sent over 150 emails to him. He claims fox based thier decision on national polls and admitted they don't take into account cell phones.

    KEEP IT POLITE PLEASE but this is working!

    WOOT!
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  • Ron Paul on MSNBC SHORTLY.

    WOuld have been on NOW.
    but got bumped by this BREAKING NEWS: PRISON BREAK.
    err, hospital break.
    :D
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118

    WOuld have been on NOW.
    but got bumped by this BREAKING NEWS: PRISON BREAK.
    err, hospital break.
    :D

    its all part of the media conspiracy. ;)
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    its all part of the media conspiracy. ;)

    They are in the "then they fight you" phase of the ghandi quote.

    They can't ignore him anymore, so they let him on, and pretend to give him fair coverage, then throw in the obligatory "you are OBVIOUSLY a LONGSHOT candidate" which is meant to tell the sheeple "do not vote for this man. you will throw away your vote. do not look behind the curtain of liberty. no no!"
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