Who will Bush pardon?

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edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
Who do you think he'll pardon? When does Bush make up his list?
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I don't know when he makes the list, but maybe Scooter Libby? Cheney (now that he's been indicted), Rove. Those would be a few that come to mind.
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  • Bush is going to pardon every asshole in the Republican party who has got a legal problem- which is most of them. Yeah, Libby and Cheney. "Fredo" Gonzales, You'll see Ted Stevens, maybe Duke Cunningham, and somehow he will manage to get himself pardoned from all of the incredibly illegal implications that hang around his neck.
    They're all guilty. War crimes. War profiteering. Treason. Murder. Tax evasion.
    Corruption. Stonewalling Congressional subpoenas. And a thousand other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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  • writersuwritersu Posts: 1,867
    Obama........

    just in case.............
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    5 years ago, I was hoping that by 2008 we'd be asking "Who will pardon Bush?" and the answer would be "no one in their right mind".

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  • Scooter, Ted Stevens
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Ramos and Compean deserve to be pardoned.
  • I'm sure the list is already completed. They know who they will pardon. They just won't do it until the final day of his administration, so the controversy will rage after he's left office. Same way Clinton pardoned a fugitive, whose wife was a major donor. I agree about Scooter. i think that's how they bought his silence. Told him that his appeal would be "in the system" long enough, that he'd never serve a day in jail.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Maybe nobody, in a last desparate effort to give his legacy a bit of a boost.
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  • Uncle Leo wrote:
    Maybe nobody, in a last desparate effort to give his legacy a bit of a boost.

    Sorry Uncle. This guy is a snake. His friends come before any thoughts of law or country. He'll be giggling his way out the front door of the place thinking he has done a pretty fine job. He is oblivious to the smoldering ruins he is leaving in the wake of his disgrace. He doesn't get it.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I don't think Scooter since Bush already commuted his sentence, but Ted Stevens is definitely a possibility.
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  • I'm hoping he'll pardon me. It's getting annoying having to worry about my background check all the time!
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Maybe he can pardon everyone's debt :)
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  • pateljampateljam Posts: 340
    unsung wrote:
    Ramos and Compean deserve to be pardoned.

    Yeah thats the only two that should be pardoned by Bush... but I doubt bush has the balls to pardon them...
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  • I don't think he will pardon anybody.
  • LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    I'll bet he pardons a gaggle of turkeys!!!
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  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't think Scooter since Bush already commuted his sentence, but Ted Stevens is definitely a possibility.

    Still President only commuted for political reasons. He must pardon Scooter.. that is part of the process of pardoning himself.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Is it possible for Bush to pardon the U.S. accepting Madona back from the U.K.? That would be awesome.
  • unsung wrote:
    Ramos and Compean deserve to be pardoned.

    what's the deal with those guys. I've heard their names, and parts of the story before, but never the full story. Fill me in
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    Is it possible for Bush to pardon the U.S. accepting Madona back from the U.K.? That would be awesome.

    No that is an unforgivable crime.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    what's the deal with those guys. I've heard their names, and parts of the story before, but never the full story. Fill me in


    It is a very complicated story but the main part is they shot a drug smuggler illegally crossing the US/Mexico border. I suggest reading into it for a in depth explanation that I don't want to take the time typing out.

    The smuggler was supposedly an informant as well.

    on edit: They are Border Patrol agents.
  • writersuwritersu Posts: 1,867
    OK, I like President Bush; admire his convictions in the face of danger....


    but wouldn't it be an ass kicker if he pardoned Osama bin Laden?
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  • TDMize15TDMize15 Posts: 166
    Maybe he will pardon himself for all future convictions that he will face.

    And the same for Cheney, Rove, Libby and Stevens.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    well ... bush's pardons round 1 ... really, what does it say about the criminal justice system if these guys get pardoned for no good reason?

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    http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/542943

    WASHINGTON – U.S. President George W. Bush's latest list of pardons does not include some high-profile criminals who still hope the president will grant them clemency in his final weeks in office.

    On Monday, Bush granted pardons to 14 individuals and commuted the prison sentences of two others whose misdeeds included dealing drugs, evading taxes, killing bald eagles or mishandling hazardous waste.

    The most recent batch, however, did not include any well-known convicts like junk bond dealer Michael Milken, who is seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges, or two politicians convicted of public corruption – former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards – who want Bush to shorten their prison terms.

    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., noted that the list also did not include former Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who were convicted of shooting a drug smuggler and trying to cover it up. Ramos and Compean are each serving sentences of more than 10 years for shooting Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks while he was fleeing from an abandoned marijuana load in 2005.

    "President Bush still has time to do the right thing and commute wrongly imprisoned Border Agents Ramos and Compean,'' Rohrabacher said. "The fact that the president has neglected to free these men from their imprisonment while freeing drug dealers, embezzlers and other criminals is insulting to the American people who have been begging and pleading for the president to release the agents."

    Also unclear is whether Bush has any plans to give legal protection to government employees – in case they are ever charged – in connection with their role in harsh interrogators of terrorist suspects after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Pre-emptive pardons would be highly controversial, but lawyers argue they would protect those who were following orders or otherwise trying to protect the nation.

    Bush has been stingy about issuing pardons. Including these actions, he has granted a total of 171 pardons and eight commutations. That's less than half as many as either President Clinton or President Reagan issued during their two terms in office.

    On the latest pardon list were:

    –Leslie Owen Collier of Charleston, Mo., who pleaded guilty in 1995 to unlawfully killing three bald eagles in southeast Missouri. He improperly used pesticide in hamburger meat to kill coyotes, but ended up killing many other animals, including the bald eagles. Collier, who was convicted for unauthorized use of a pesticide and violating the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, was sentenced Feb. 2, 1996, in the Eastern District of Missouri.

    –Milton Kirk Cordes of Rapid City, S.D. Cordes was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, which prohibits importation into the country of wildlife taken in violation of conservation laws.

    –Richard Culpepper of Mahomet, Ill., who was convicted of making false statements to the federal government.

    –Brenda Jean Dolenz-Helmer of Fort Worth, Texas, convicted of concealing knowledge of a crime. Dolenz-Helmer, the daughter of a Dallas doctor accused of medical insurance fraud, was convicted in connection with the doctor's case. She was sentenced Dec. 31, 1998, in the Northern District of Texas to four year's probation with the special condition of 600 hours of community service and a $10,000 fine.

    –Andrew Foster Harley of Falls Church, Va. Harley was convicted of wrongful use and distribution of marijuana and cocaine during a general court martial at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo.

    –Obie Gene Helton of Rossville, Ga., whose offence was unauthorized acquisition of food stamps.

    –Carey C. Hice Sr. of Travellers Rest, S.C., who was convicted of income tax evasion.

    –Geneva Yvonne Hogg of Jacksonville, Fla., convicted of bank embezzlement.

    –William Hoyle McCright Jr. of Midland, Texas, who was convicted of bank fraud.

    –Paul Julian McCurdy of Sulphur, Okla., who was sentenced for misapplication of bank funds.

    –Robert Earl Mohon Jr. of Grant, Ala., who was convicted of conspiracy to distribute marijuana.

    –Ronald Alan Mohrhoff of Los Angeles, who was convicted for unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony.

    –Daniel Figh Pue III of Conroe, Texas, convicted of illegal treatment, storage and disposal of hazardous waste without a permit.

    –Orion Lynn Vick of White Hall, Ark., who was convicted of aiding and abetting the theft of government property.

    Bush also commuted the prison sentences of John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., and James Russell Harris of Detroit. Both were convicted of cocaine offences.

    Julie Stewart, president and founder of Families Against Mandatory Minimums, an advocacy group in Washington, applauded Bush's decision to commute the sentence of Forte and Harris, who are serving long mandatory sentences for non-violent drug offences. Forte has served seven years and Harris has been imprisoned for 15 years.

    "We hope this is a sign of more pardons and commutations to come," Stewart said. "There are currently many low-level, first-time, non-violent drug offenders who are serving sentences that do not fit their crimes and who would be incredibly grateful if the president gave them a second chance and a fresh start.''
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