Dear Blue States: (in response to Commy) : )

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  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    wow...nice post...way to prove your white neoliberalness to everyone. I wonder what the demographics of your red counties would be? 98 percent white, 48 percents subservient female? Oh yeah white people don't get shot in the inner city idiot...the white police would actually give a fuck. Isn't it funny that you pick on cities that are economically devastated by policies that rich white men create to benefit rich white men. But go ahead...love your little capitalist system that somehow after 200 years in practice still can't provide the same standard of living, literacy rates, live births, and health care that much younger countries have using socialist methods. I guess it's because poor black people suck...at least if I believed your moronic list.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    I think these are being taken way too seriously.

    I just copied and pasted a funny email...not too sure how much I even agree with it.

    and this was just the response to that...and it was funny, some of it...but I think people are taking these a bit too seriously.
  • drivingrl
    drivingrl Posts: 1,448
    Cosmo wrote:
    Sorry... gotta call bullshit on that. A Blue State is a Blue state and a Red a Red... you can't cherry pick.

    Agreed. When we vote for president, states go to one candidate or the other. We can't divvy up the votes in the election, unfortunately.
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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Great post. It's true. If you look at a map, almost 95% of the country is red. That said, the more populated cities tend to go blue. We'll give you those cities.... they can be replaced.

    Moreover, once you blue staters take em, we establish a capitalist mantra throughout the remainder of the country. We'll just steal all the business laid out in your blue country back as they move to our red country due to your high taxes on small business and big business.

    You'll basically turn into what you've always wanted to be.... Canada. Good luck with that. :)
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    what's scary is... why would anyone want to devote this much time to either letter?
    Think about it. It would take an assload of hate to draft such a letter

    You make a good point. To be fair to this OP, he was responding to the real OP (another thread). So, in a way it was a response.

    But, your point is kinda accurate. This doesn't solve anything.... just polarizes. If it's in fun, that's one thing. But, I have a strange feeling the real OP, didn't write his in fun. He was serious.... which again is scary.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    therover wrote:
    How's this:


    We still have the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Carolina and Florida beaches.

    We get all the oil refineries so be prepared to pay out the ass for gas! (Ha,Ha)

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    therover wrote:
    We get all the oil refineries so be prepared to pay out the ass for gas! (Ha,Ha)

    New Jersey has the second largest oil refinery in the country, so we'll be alright.

    Also here is an interesting tidbit of information. It is a break down of Federal Spending in Each State Per Dollar of Federal Taxes. In other words for each dollar collected from residents of said state, this is the amount that thew federal government spends on said state. I have also taken the liberty of noting which state is a Red or Blue state.

    New Mexico $2.03 1 RED
    Mississippi $2.02 2 RED
    Alaska $1.84 3 RED
    Louisiana $1.78 4 RED
    West Virginia $1.76 5 RED
    North Dakota $1.68 6 RED
    Alabama $1.66 7 RED
    South Dakota $1.53 8 RED
    Kentucky $1.51 9 RED
    Virginia $1.51 10 RED
    Montana $1.47 11 RED
    Hawaii $1.44 12 BLUE
    Maine $1.41 13 BLUE
    Arkansas $1.41 14 RED
    Oklahoma $1.36 15 RED
    South Carolina $1.35 16 RED
    Missouri $1.32 17 RED
    Maryland $1.30 18 BLUE
    Tennessee $1.27 19 RED
    Idaho $1.21 20 RED
    Arizona $1.19 21 RED
    Kansas $1.12 22 RED
    Wyoming $1.11 23 RED
    Iowa $1.10 24 RED
    Nebraska $1.10 25 RED
    Vermont $1.08 26 BLUE
    North Carolina $1.08 27 RED
    Pennsylvania $1.07 28 BLUE
    Utah $1.07 29 RED
    Indiana $1.05 30 RED
    Ohio $1.05 31 RED
    Georgia $1.01 32 RED
    Rhode Island $1.00 33 BLUE
    Florida $0.97 34 RED
    Texas $0.94 35 RED
    Oregon $0.93 36 BLUE
    Michigan $0.92 37 BLUE
    Washington $0.88 38 BLUE
    Wisconsin $0.86 39 BLUE
    Massachusetts $0.82 40 BLUE
    Colorado $0.81 41 RED
    New York $0.79 42 BLUE
    California $0.78 43 BLUE
    Delaware $0.77 44 BLUE
    Illinois $0.75 45 BLUE
    Minnesota $0.72 46 BLUE
    New Hampshire $0.71 47 BLUE
    Connecticut $0.69 48 BLUE
    Nevada $0.65 49 RED
    New Jersey $0.61 50 BLUE

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Here is some more info. Here is a list of federal tax revenue by state.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

    Out of the top 10 states 7 are BLUE states while 4 are RED states. If you compare the 2 charts I have provide, from the post and the previous, you will see that our federal coufers are heavily supplied by the BLUE states while the RED states reap the most reward from our taxes.

    Now I'm not advocating that there should be some sort of BLUE state sucession because both BLUE and RED states would be adversely affected by this but let's just get the facts straight, that without the income generated by the BLUE states the RED states would be pretty fucked.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    Here is some more info. Here is a list of federal tax revenue by state.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

    Out of the top 10 states 7 are BLUE states while 4 are RED states. If you compare the 2 charts I have provide, from the post and the previous, you will see that our federal coufers are heavily supplied by the BLUE states while the RED states reap the most reward from our taxes.

    Now I'm not advocating that there should be some sort of BLUE state sucession because both BLUE and RED states would be adversely affected by this but let's just get the facts straight, that without the income generated by the BLUE states the RED states would be pretty fucked.

    This isn't true because you aren't adjusting for population. You need to look at the numbers in per-capita terms, not in levels.
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    mammasan wrote:

    Out of the top 10 states 7 are BLUE states while 4 are RED states.


    That's some fuzzy math. :D
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    This isn't true because you aren't adjusting for population. You need to look at the numbers in per-capita terms, not in levels.

    The last column in the chart shows revenue per capita. Look at that and you will see that the BLUE states still head up the list.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Wilds wrote:
    That's some fuzzy math. :D

    I know I realized it a bit to late.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Piper At The Gates
    Piper At The Gates Posts: 460
    My, my the Republicans do get awfully bitter when losing. Sad to see it slipping away, isn't it. The Supreme Court can't even help you this time. Maybe you should resort to terrorism, you've tried every other lowdown trick. Oh and by the way, you get one thing much worse than all the drug addicts, murderers, gangs, and assorted demons that you can name - Sarah Palin.
  • No_ones_rival
    No_ones_rival Posts: 385
    Piper At The Gates wrote:
    My, my the Republicans do get awfully bitter when losing. Sad to see it slipping away, isn't it. The Supreme Court can't even help you this time. Maybe you should resort to terrorism, you've tried every other lowdown trick. Oh and by the way, you get one thing much worse than all the drug addicts, murderers, gangs, and assorted demons that you can name - Sarah Palin.


    as far as resorting to terrorism, don't egg them on... one could argue they've been doing it for years.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    This isn't true because you aren't adjusting for population. You need to look at the numbers in per-capita terms, not in levels.


    Here I have reorganized the list by revenue per capita.

    1 Delaware $19,493.95
    2 Connecticut $15,485.74
    3 Minnesota $15,141.03
    4 New Jersey $14,008.70
    5 New York $12,678.84
    6 Massachusetts $11,594.60
    7 Rhode Island $11,312.59
    8 Nebraska $10,731.19
    9 Illinois $10,539.40
    10 Arkansas $9,644.48
    11 Maryland $9,558.88
    12 Texas $9,428.85
    13 Colorado $9,339.52
    14 Ohio $9,224.17
    15 Pennsylvania $9,038.06
    16 Wyoming $9,036.74
    17 Washington $8,881.57
    18 California $8,590.18
    19 North Carolina $8,376.94
    20 Missouri $8,262.11
    21 Oklahoma $8,106.72
    22 Virginia $8,038.01
    23 Kansas $8,037.20
    24 Georgia $7,880.56
    25 Louisiana $7,844.16
    26 Wisconsin $7,815.27
    27 Tennessee $7,755.22
    28 Nevada $7,647.60
    29 Florida $7,477.65
    30 New Hampshire $7,070.98
    31 Michigan $6,942.53
    32 Indiana $6,724.37
    33 Alaska $6,272.62
    34 Oregon $6,262.01
    35 Iowa $6,170.10
    36 Vermont $6,126.50
    37 Idaho $6,018.95
    38 South Dakota $5,985.27
    39 Hawaii $5,973.64
    40 North Dakota $5,720.89
    41 Utah $5,694.43
    42 Arizona $5,598.14
    43 Kentucky $5,458.14
    44 Alabama $5,218.21
    45 Maine $4,774.66
    46 Montana $4,721.65
    47 South Carolina $4,650.82
    48 New Mexico $4,236.81
    49 Mississippi $3,723.71
    50 West Virginia $3,599.24
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    The last column in the chart shows revenue per capita. Look at that and you will see that the BLUE states still head up the list.


    Yea, you are right. I think the key chart is the one by the tax foundation.

    It's interesting, I wrote my dissertation on something similar. These numbers change over time. My concept was that a BLUE (Red) federal govt increases intergovernmental transfers to BLUE (Red) states when they are in power. It was proven an accurate assessment. This kinda says the same thing. Bush was the President, Repubs had control of House and Senate in 2005 (I think?), there's a slight bias to states that are red. It should also be noted that far more states are red than blue on average... so uit's tough to compare.

    The thing is, to draw a real conclusion one would need to account for certain other elements. For instance, number of military bases in a state. States with a large amount of military bases receive more funding by the federal govt on average. That's most likely why New Mexico is #1 for instance.

    Also, one would need to account for the number of congressmen relative to population. That's most likely why you see a bias to red states. When you have more of a share of a voice, it's easier to get money.

    Lastly, I do not believe the tax foundation adjusted for population, which completely skews these results.
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    Here I have reorganized the list by revenue per capita.

    1 Delaware $19,493.95
    2 Connecticut $15,485.74
    3 Minnesota $15,141.03
    4 New Jersey $14,008.70
    5 New York $12,678.84
    6 Massachusetts $11,594.60
    7 Rhode Island $11,312.59
    8 Nebraska $10,731.19
    9 Illinois $10,539.40
    10 Arkansas $9,644.48
    11 Maryland $9,558.88
    12 Texas $9,428.85
    13 Colorado $9,339.52
    14 Ohio $9,224.17
    15 Pennsylvania $9,038.06
    16 Wyoming $9,036.74
    17 Washington $8,881.57
    18 California $8,590.18
    19 North Carolina $8,376.94
    20 Missouri $8,262.11
    21 Oklahoma $8,106.72
    22 Virginia $8,038.01
    23 Kansas $8,037.20
    24 Georgia $7,880.56
    25 Louisiana $7,844.16
    26 Wisconsin $7,815.27
    27 Tennessee $7,755.22
    28 Nevada $7,647.60
    29 Florida $7,477.65
    30 New Hampshire $7,070.98
    31 Michigan $6,942.53
    32 Indiana $6,724.37
    33 Alaska $6,272.62
    34 Oregon $6,262.01
    35 Iowa $6,170.10
    36 Vermont $6,126.50
    37 Idaho $6,018.95
    38 South Dakota $5,985.27
    39 Hawaii $5,973.64
    40 North Dakota $5,720.89
    41 Utah $5,694.43
    42 Arizona $5,598.14
    43 Kentucky $5,458.14
    44 Alabama $5,218.21
    45 Maine $4,774.66
    46 Montana $4,721.65
    47 South Carolina $4,650.82
    48 New Mexico $4,236.81
    49 Mississippi $3,723.71
    50 West Virginia $3,599.24


    Delaware is most likely #1 because of their tax system. They have no sales tax. So, taxes in other areas are higher. Tax systems in the state most likely make a difference.

    States like New Mexico and West Virginia are low because of their large concentration of military bases/employees.

    As you can see, it's tough to draw a real conclusion from this type of data unless one really thinks about how to properly account for state by state variation.

    That said, they are very very interesting.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Here is a listing of states by economy. Not overall size but by the best economy.

    1 96.1 Massachusetts
    2 86.4 New Jersey
    3 85.0 Maryland
    4 84.6 Washington
    5 82.9 California
    6 81.8 Connecticut
    7 79.6 Delaware
    8 79.5 Virginia
    9 78.3 Colorado
    10 77.4 New York
    11 75.3 Minnesota
    12 73.2 Utah
    13 71.1 New Hampshire
    14 68.6 Texas
    15 68.6 Rhode Island
    16 68.4 Illinois
    17 66.8 Oregon
    18 64.8 Georgia
    19 64.7 Michigan
    20 64.5 Vermont
    21 63.6 Pennsylvania
    22 63.2 Arizona
    23 63.2 Florida
    24 62.8 Idaho
    25 62.4 Alaska
    26 60.2 North Carolina
    27 59.2 Nevada
    28 59.0 Nebraska
    29 57.8 Ohio
    30 55.9 Wisconsin
    31 55.8 Indiana
    32 55.6 Maine
    33 53.7 New Mexico
    34 53.6 Kansas
    35 53.5 Missouri
    36 53.3 Tennessee
    37 51.9 North Dakota
    38 51.8 Iowa 4
    39 51.5 South Carolina
    40 51.4 Oklahoma
    41 50.9 Hawaii
    42 49.5 Montana
    43 47.9 Wyoming
    44 45.9 Louisiana
    45 45.3 Kentucky
    46 45.1 Alabama
    47 44.7 Arkansas
    48 43.8 South Dakota
    49 36.5 Mississippi
    50 35.6 West Virginia
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    Delaware is most likely #1 because of their tax system. They have no sales tax. So, taxes in other areas are higher. Tax systems in the state most likely make a difference.

    States like New Mexico and West Virginia are low because of their large concentration of military bases/employees.

    As you can see, it's tough to draw a real conclusion from this type of data unless one really thinks about how to properly account for state by state variation.

    That said, they are very very interesting.

    Obviously these numbers, from both charts, are not precise indicators. There are a lot of variables that have to taken into consideration. I was just trying to point out that the RED states would not be able to function as they currently do without the BLUE states and the same holds true the other way around.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    Obviously these numbers, from both charts, are not precise indicators. There are a lot of variables that have to taken into consideration. I was just trying to point out that the RED states would not be able to function as they currently do without the BLUE states and the same holds true the other way around.


    Absolutely. Like you said, they would not be able to function as they currently do. Anyway, it's interesting stuff.

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