Dear Blue States: (in response to Commy) : )

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    This isn't true because you aren't adjusting for population. You need to look at the numbers in per-capita terms, not in levels.

    The last column in the chart shows revenue per capita. Look at that and you will see that the BLUE states still head up the list.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Wilds wrote:
    That's some fuzzy math. :D

    I know I realized it a bit to late.
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  • My, my the Republicans do get awfully bitter when losing. Sad to see it slipping away, isn't it. The Supreme Court can't even help you this time. Maybe you should resort to terrorism, you've tried every other lowdown trick. Oh and by the way, you get one thing much worse than all the drug addicts, murderers, gangs, and assorted demons that you can name - Sarah Palin.
  • My, my the Republicans do get awfully bitter when losing. Sad to see it slipping away, isn't it. The Supreme Court can't even help you this time. Maybe you should resort to terrorism, you've tried every other lowdown trick. Oh and by the way, you get one thing much worse than all the drug addicts, murderers, gangs, and assorted demons that you can name - Sarah Palin.


    as far as resorting to terrorism, don't egg them on... one could argue they've been doing it for years.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    This isn't true because you aren't adjusting for population. You need to look at the numbers in per-capita terms, not in levels.


    Here I have reorganized the list by revenue per capita.

    1 Delaware $19,493.95
    2 Connecticut $15,485.74
    3 Minnesota $15,141.03
    4 New Jersey $14,008.70
    5 New York $12,678.84
    6 Massachusetts $11,594.60
    7 Rhode Island $11,312.59
    8 Nebraska $10,731.19
    9 Illinois $10,539.40
    10 Arkansas $9,644.48
    11 Maryland $9,558.88
    12 Texas $9,428.85
    13 Colorado $9,339.52
    14 Ohio $9,224.17
    15 Pennsylvania $9,038.06
    16 Wyoming $9,036.74
    17 Washington $8,881.57
    18 California $8,590.18
    19 North Carolina $8,376.94
    20 Missouri $8,262.11
    21 Oklahoma $8,106.72
    22 Virginia $8,038.01
    23 Kansas $8,037.20
    24 Georgia $7,880.56
    25 Louisiana $7,844.16
    26 Wisconsin $7,815.27
    27 Tennessee $7,755.22
    28 Nevada $7,647.60
    29 Florida $7,477.65
    30 New Hampshire $7,070.98
    31 Michigan $6,942.53
    32 Indiana $6,724.37
    33 Alaska $6,272.62
    34 Oregon $6,262.01
    35 Iowa $6,170.10
    36 Vermont $6,126.50
    37 Idaho $6,018.95
    38 South Dakota $5,985.27
    39 Hawaii $5,973.64
    40 North Dakota $5,720.89
    41 Utah $5,694.43
    42 Arizona $5,598.14
    43 Kentucky $5,458.14
    44 Alabama $5,218.21
    45 Maine $4,774.66
    46 Montana $4,721.65
    47 South Carolina $4,650.82
    48 New Mexico $4,236.81
    49 Mississippi $3,723.71
    50 West Virginia $3,599.24
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    The last column in the chart shows revenue per capita. Look at that and you will see that the BLUE states still head up the list.


    Yea, you are right. I think the key chart is the one by the tax foundation.

    It's interesting, I wrote my dissertation on something similar. These numbers change over time. My concept was that a BLUE (Red) federal govt increases intergovernmental transfers to BLUE (Red) states when they are in power. It was proven an accurate assessment. This kinda says the same thing. Bush was the President, Repubs had control of House and Senate in 2005 (I think?), there's a slight bias to states that are red. It should also be noted that far more states are red than blue on average... so uit's tough to compare.

    The thing is, to draw a real conclusion one would need to account for certain other elements. For instance, number of military bases in a state. States with a large amount of military bases receive more funding by the federal govt on average. That's most likely why New Mexico is #1 for instance.

    Also, one would need to account for the number of congressmen relative to population. That's most likely why you see a bias to red states. When you have more of a share of a voice, it's easier to get money.

    Lastly, I do not believe the tax foundation adjusted for population, which completely skews these results.
  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    Here I have reorganized the list by revenue per capita.

    1 Delaware $19,493.95
    2 Connecticut $15,485.74
    3 Minnesota $15,141.03
    4 New Jersey $14,008.70
    5 New York $12,678.84
    6 Massachusetts $11,594.60
    7 Rhode Island $11,312.59
    8 Nebraska $10,731.19
    9 Illinois $10,539.40
    10 Arkansas $9,644.48
    11 Maryland $9,558.88
    12 Texas $9,428.85
    13 Colorado $9,339.52
    14 Ohio $9,224.17
    15 Pennsylvania $9,038.06
    16 Wyoming $9,036.74
    17 Washington $8,881.57
    18 California $8,590.18
    19 North Carolina $8,376.94
    20 Missouri $8,262.11
    21 Oklahoma $8,106.72
    22 Virginia $8,038.01
    23 Kansas $8,037.20
    24 Georgia $7,880.56
    25 Louisiana $7,844.16
    26 Wisconsin $7,815.27
    27 Tennessee $7,755.22
    28 Nevada $7,647.60
    29 Florida $7,477.65
    30 New Hampshire $7,070.98
    31 Michigan $6,942.53
    32 Indiana $6,724.37
    33 Alaska $6,272.62
    34 Oregon $6,262.01
    35 Iowa $6,170.10
    36 Vermont $6,126.50
    37 Idaho $6,018.95
    38 South Dakota $5,985.27
    39 Hawaii $5,973.64
    40 North Dakota $5,720.89
    41 Utah $5,694.43
    42 Arizona $5,598.14
    43 Kentucky $5,458.14
    44 Alabama $5,218.21
    45 Maine $4,774.66
    46 Montana $4,721.65
    47 South Carolina $4,650.82
    48 New Mexico $4,236.81
    49 Mississippi $3,723.71
    50 West Virginia $3,599.24


    Delaware is most likely #1 because of their tax system. They have no sales tax. So, taxes in other areas are higher. Tax systems in the state most likely make a difference.

    States like New Mexico and West Virginia are low because of their large concentration of military bases/employees.

    As you can see, it's tough to draw a real conclusion from this type of data unless one really thinks about how to properly account for state by state variation.

    That said, they are very very interesting.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Here is a listing of states by economy. Not overall size but by the best economy.

    1 96.1 Massachusetts
    2 86.4 New Jersey
    3 85.0 Maryland
    4 84.6 Washington
    5 82.9 California
    6 81.8 Connecticut
    7 79.6 Delaware
    8 79.5 Virginia
    9 78.3 Colorado
    10 77.4 New York
    11 75.3 Minnesota
    12 73.2 Utah
    13 71.1 New Hampshire
    14 68.6 Texas
    15 68.6 Rhode Island
    16 68.4 Illinois
    17 66.8 Oregon
    18 64.8 Georgia
    19 64.7 Michigan
    20 64.5 Vermont
    21 63.6 Pennsylvania
    22 63.2 Arizona
    23 63.2 Florida
    24 62.8 Idaho
    25 62.4 Alaska
    26 60.2 North Carolina
    27 59.2 Nevada
    28 59.0 Nebraska
    29 57.8 Ohio
    30 55.9 Wisconsin
    31 55.8 Indiana
    32 55.6 Maine
    33 53.7 New Mexico
    34 53.6 Kansas
    35 53.5 Missouri
    36 53.3 Tennessee
    37 51.9 North Dakota
    38 51.8 Iowa 4
    39 51.5 South Carolina
    40 51.4 Oklahoma
    41 50.9 Hawaii
    42 49.5 Montana
    43 47.9 Wyoming
    44 45.9 Louisiana
    45 45.3 Kentucky
    46 45.1 Alabama
    47 44.7 Arkansas
    48 43.8 South Dakota
    49 36.5 Mississippi
    50 35.6 West Virginia
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    Delaware is most likely #1 because of their tax system. They have no sales tax. So, taxes in other areas are higher. Tax systems in the state most likely make a difference.

    States like New Mexico and West Virginia are low because of their large concentration of military bases/employees.

    As you can see, it's tough to draw a real conclusion from this type of data unless one really thinks about how to properly account for state by state variation.

    That said, they are very very interesting.

    Obviously these numbers, from both charts, are not precise indicators. There are a lot of variables that have to taken into consideration. I was just trying to point out that the RED states would not be able to function as they currently do without the BLUE states and the same holds true the other way around.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    mammasan wrote:
    Obviously these numbers, from both charts, are not precise indicators. There are a lot of variables that have to taken into consideration. I was just trying to point out that the RED states would not be able to function as they currently do without the BLUE states and the same holds true the other way around.


    Absolutely. Like you said, they would not be able to function as they currently do. Anyway, it's interesting stuff.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    Absolutely. Like you said, they would not be able to function as they currently do. Anyway, it's interesting stuff.

    It definitely is interesting statistics to look at. I would love to see the same break down but from a few decades ago before a huge portion of our manufacturing jobs went over seas.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    s_rockvam wrote:
    as far as resorting to terrorism, don't egg them on... one could argue they've been doing it for years.
    it's less an argument, and more a fact.
  • Commy wrote:
    I think these are being taken way too seriously.

    I just copied and pasted a funny email...not too sure how much I even agree with it.

    and this was just the response to that...and it was funny, some of it...but I think people are taking these a bit too seriously.

    Yes, people are taking this way too seriously. As the OP, I was just having some fun. I didn't even write it, just copied and pasted it. Yes, I guess I should have linked to it, but oh well...it's all just for fun. I assumed that would come across with the smiley face.
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  • hailhailkc wrote:
    Yes, people are taking this way too seriously. As the OP, I was just having some fun. I didn't even write it, just copied and pasted it. Yes, I guess I should have linked to it, but oh well...it's all just for fun. I assumed that would come across with the smiley face.

    No! Shut up! My state has a bigger dick than your state!



    EDIT: Alright, it's just because my state has more dicks. If we measured length per capita...
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    I live in a blue city (Carbondale) in a red county (Jackson) in a blue state (Illinois). I'm confused.
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