Anyone here actually witness 9/11 / Pentagon attacks, or know someone who did?

hailhailkc
hailhailkc Posts: 582
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
Well, we have a lot of people here from New York, and one regular from Washington D.C. (Zstillings). Did anyone here actually witness the events of 9/11, or know someone they trust who did? I'd like to here your/their thoughts about the "white jet (F-15???)" / "missle hitting the Pentagon" theories...and any other conspiracy theories floating around out there.

This whole thing started with 9/11, so that's where we need to focus our efforts, imho.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Not me.. but...
    You ever go to the local airport and watch the jets land? We get used to the way they glide towards the runways, right? Their air speed is what? 120 MPH? When was the last time any of us saw a passenger plane come in at throttle speed... 350 MPH? I'm guessing... never. We're used to the slow desent and I can understand how witnesses can be confused.
    ...
    Here is a pretty good site regarding the attack on the Pentagon.
    http://www.pentagonresearch.com/index.html
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    I know a couple of people who did. Someone else here said that his/her sister saw it.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    Not me.. but...
    You ever go to the local airport and watch the jets land? We get used to the way they glide towards the runways, right? Their air speed is what? 120 MPH? When was the last time any of us saw a passenger plane come in at throttle speed... 350 MPH? I'm guessing... never. We're used to the slow desent and I can understand how witnesses can be confused.
    ...
    Here is a pretty good site regarding the attack on the Pentagon.
    http://www.pentagonresearch.com/index.html

    that site is one man's opinion on what happened that day at the pentagon.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that site is one man's opinion on what happened that day at the pentagon.
    ...
    True... one person's website... but...
    Which side do you fall on? Did you visit the site? He gives 6 options... did you see the forensic video? The photographs of the debris?
    Are you a conspiracy theorist believer or not?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    True... one person's website... but...
    Which side do you fall on? Did you visit the site? He gives 6 options... did you see the forensic video? The photographs of the debris?
    Are you a conspiracy theorist believer or not?


    absolutely not. while I believe the government has not released every detail asked of them, I in no way believe the US government had anything to do with 9/11
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    absolutely not. while I believe the government has not released every detail asked of them, I in no way believe the US government had anything to do with 9/11


    what's your opinion on why it took over 1 1/2 hours for any fighters to be scrambled? why did cheney wait so long to give the order?
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    what's your opinion on why it took over 1 1/2 hours for any fighters to be scrambled? why did cheney wait so long to give the order?


    I dont know, I wasnt there. we can monday morning quarterback what all of our leaders did that day. i'm sure everyone of them would do something different.

    so you honestly believe our government had something to do with the events on 9/11?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    absolutely not. while I believe the government has not released every detail asked of them, I in no way believe the US government had anything to do with 9/11
    ...
    Then what did (or didn't) you find in that website that nullifies it? It pretty much confirms that a Boeing 757-200 slammed into the Pentagon at a speed of approximately 345 MPH.
    It leaves open the questions and to the forces behind the attack and lets you decide. What do you have against that type of investigation? I don't understand.
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  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    zstillings wrote:
    I know a couple of people who did. Someone else here said that his/her sister saw it.

    Yes, that was me, my sister witnessed the plane hitting the pentagon. She was right there.

    It happened, it was a plane, I am 100% positive of that. I also knew others, friends and friends parents who witnessed the event, and tried to do anything they could to help.

    A friend of mine from grade schools' father was killed at the pentagon. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the conspiracy theories are just that, theories. People don't seem to be able to let it go, and I really wish they would, and allow those who parished in the plane and the pentagon itself rest in peace.

    I'd be happy to answer any questions you have, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to find the truth!

    Edited to Add: I saw the damage at the pentagon first hand, a few days later. It was much larger, and more extensive then I thought translated over the Television. Also, keep in mind that the pentagon is not a particularly tall building, and I believe that the plane came into the building in a bit of a nose dive (having driven past the pentagon for years and years, I do not think it would have been possible for the plane to hit head on, there are bridges, etc too close by).

    I have my opinions, I would be happy to ask my sister any questions you have, but have no doubt that it was in fact a plane that hit the pentagon.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    OneLove wrote:
    Yes, that was me, my sister witnessed the plane hitting the pentagon. She was right there.

    It happened, it was a plane, I am 100% positive of that. I also knew others, friends and friends parents who witnessed the event, and tried to do anything they could to help.

    A friend of mine from grade schools' father was killed at the pentagon. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the conspiracy theories are just that, theories. People don't seem to be able to let it go, and I really wish they would, and allow those who parished in the plane and the pentagon itself rest in peace.

    I'd be happy to answer any questions you have, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to find the truth!

    Edited to Add: I saw the damage at the pentagon first hand, a few days later. It was much larger, and more extensive then I thought translated over the Television. Also, keep in mind that the pentagon is not a particularly tall building, and I believe that the plane came into the building in a bit of a nose dive (having driven past the pentagon for years and years, I do not think it would have been possible for the plane to hit head on, there are bridges, etc too close by).

    I have my opinions, I would be happy to ask my sister any questions you have, but have no doubt that it was in fact a plane that hit the pentagon.


    I very sorry for the loss of your friend's dad. I also feel sorry that you have to sit and listen to all the conspiracy theories being thrown around. People's hatred for the current government are blind to hurt that people went through and would rather hurt the administration then mourn the dead.

    Thank you sharing your story
  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I very sorry for the loss of your friend's dad. I also feel sorry that you have to sit and listen to all the conspiracy theories being thrown around. People's hatred for the current government are blind to hurt that people went through and would rather hurt the administration then mourn the dead.

    Thank you sharing your story

    Thank you for your post. I appreciate your thoughts.

    I also appreciate someone asking the origonal question in this thread. I have no problem with people asking questions about our gov'ts actions both on and after 9/11.

    I remember my sister calling me after the plane hit, just before I heard about it on the news. The only thing she could think of was getting home safely to her son, my godson. There were people bloodied and bruised, or just plain scared, who couldn't find any other way to get home then to walk, people literally walking home on the major interstates near DC. SUV's suddenly found themselves acting as Ambulances, trying to move injured and abandoned folks to safety. There were so many people on that day, both in NY, DC, and PA who didn't get home to their loved ones.

    There are some people on this board who seem hell bent on believing the various conspiracy theories surrounding the Pentagon. I am sure none of them will respond to my post, because it would leave them with no doubt that the TRUTH is that a passanger ariline plane hit the pentagon that day.

    Its really a shame too. There are so many reasons to question our current administration, so many things that we could all focus our energy on to make changes. Get involved, vote, educate yourself as to what is really going on, and get active. Don't waste precious energy pushing conspiracy theories for little more than your own entertainment.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    Someone very close to me was in one of the highest floors in Tower 2

    I was driving into work in NYC and had to listen to both the attacks taking place on the radio AND got to watch the black smoke rising in the sky as I was approaching the Hudson River Crossing

    I did not find out untill 2-3 hours after the plane hit that this person was alive

    I never made it across the River that day - but stood in Jersey watching
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  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    I'd rather not get into specifics , but I was on my way into NYC, someone as close as a person could be to someone was in one of the highest floors in Tower 2, and I was listening to not only the attacks take place on the radio, but got to see the Black Fucking Smoke rising to the sky at the same time.

    So to answer the question, I did not actually see the planes hitting, but you could say I got the full effect of the actions
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    I don't know anyone who saw the planes hit the towers. Everyone I know was at work at that time. They could see the fire and smoke, but that's about it (well, some saw the second tower come down). It was a really confusing time because people at work didn't know what was going on. One of my coworkers was at a different job at the time and they wouldn't let them leave their building. How sad is that?
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  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    Just a guess, but I highly doubt the conspiracy theorists will be chiming in again in this thread. Takes the wind out of their arguement dosn't it?

    The truth is bad enough, no reason to add a conspiracy theory on top of it.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    OneLove wrote:
    Just a guess, but I highly doubt the conspiracy theorists will be chiming in again in this thread. Takes the wind out of their arguement dosn't it?

    The truth is bad enough, no reason to add a conspiracy theory on top of it.

    No, not quite...

    http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    No, not quite...

    http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/


    no shame
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no shame


    why should there be?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    why should there be?

    That link is nothing more than some nut who is trying to sell a book.

    You know it must be nice to be you. Sitting somewhere else, not personally affected by the deaths at the pentagon. This is just amusement to you, nothing more.

    Believe what you will. I'm telling you that people I know and love watched the plane hit the building. I wonder why you are so attached to the conspiaracy theories? Why can't you accept the truth.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    OneLove wrote:
    That link is nothing more than some nut who is trying to sell a book.

    You know it must be nice to be you. Sitting somewhere else, not personally affected by the deaths at the pentagon. This is just amusement to you, nothing more.

    Believe what you will. I'm telling you that people I know and love watched the plane hit the building. I wonder why you are so attached to the conspiaracy theories? Why can't you accept the truth.


    The link discusses possible theories regarding the pentagon attack involving*****a plane!!******and argues against ones claiming a missile was used. Just because you saw a plane doesn't mean that everything went down the way the 9/11 commission says.

    I'm glad you know so much about me, though. Good luck with all of your assuming and generalizing.

    You don't know the truth any more than I do. All of the scenarios are opinions and yours is no better than mine.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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