Schwarzenegger gets it done

CorporateWhore

sponger wrote:

Putting up a wall between us and the border will not stop immigration. Not to mention, the wall, the maintenance of that wall, and the militaristic-like maintenance of the border will cost billions upon billions of dollars in the long-run. They'll still find ways to get across the border. They'll dig tunnels. They'll hide inside of vehicles and cargo ships...etc. There is no such thing as stopping illegal immigration as long as there is a reason to immigrate. It's a fantasy to think it's possible without spending more money than we're spending right now to support them.

You're right: I don't want to punish both culprits in the crime. I want to do whatever it takes to solve the problem. That's it. There is no other agenda or bias like the ones you have imagined my having. I hate illegal immigration and the problems that go with it. That's why I want to see the problem solved.

You, on the other hand, are not quite as interested in seeing the problem solved as much as you are in seeing to it that Mexicans just understand who is in charge. Don't believe me? Read your own words:



And that's all there is to your point of view. You just don't think it's fair that people can break the law while abide by it. And this is in spite of the fact that the laws they break are ones that you follow just by being born here. You don't care about California's economy as much as you care about making sure that Mexicans understand the importance of obeying US law. It's as if all you understand is laws and not the meaning behind them.

But, you aren't alone. Millions of closed-minded Californians think just like you. They just want to prove a point, not fix our economy and solve our social problems. You call it "punishing both culprits" when it's really just finger-pointing.

In spite of Mexico's militarized border, they still problems with immigration from southern and central america. And that just goes to show that you cannot solve any problems through border enforcement.

How much money have we spent on the war on drugs? How drug traffickers have we put in jail? Has that put a dent on our drug problem even by a fraction of a measurable percentage? No it has not.




This will never happen. The fact that you even remotely believe it will ever happen without eliminating demand for drugs from US citizens just goes to show why it is so difficult for you to comprehend what really needs to be done to solve California's problems. But, like I said, you are not alone.

You didn't even read my post. I'm done talking to you about this.

sponger

CorporateWhore wrote:

You didn't even read my post. I'm done talking to you about this.

I read your post. You just got TOLD, that's all.

Cosmo

CorporateWhore wrote:

Can't both be done? The water issue sounds important too. But, shouldn't our laws be enforced too? What's wrong with doing both?

The Mexican isn't only taking your job opportunity at the local car wash. He's taking tons more government programs than he's paying for. He's expecting social security and medicare in 30-40 years. Will we able to give that to him? Nope! We can't afford it. He's also expecting that his kids will be educated. How do we cope with massive, undocumented immigration?

Ehhh, will just shirk it off to the next generation right? I don't need to worry about some stupid Mexican taking my job at the car wash anyway, right? Don't waste the money on the fence.

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Immigration is an issue... but compared to the infrastructure problems, such as the levees, the number of Californian National Guardsmen, Army and Marine Regulars and Reservists that are shouldering the weight of this assinine War in Iraq, the small number of agents we have inspecting the massive international ports of Los Angeles/Long Beach and San Francisco... it's further down the list of priorities. Immigration is popular because the targets are soft and easy to hit.
How does one get a Social Security Card and Medicare payments... if he is here illegally? People say, 'They get free medical care, but I can't...". Yes, you CAN. Go down to County Services and wait in the waiting room for 6 to 8 hours to see a doctor as you get pushed down the list to make way for traffic accident victims and others with worst cases than your sore throat. And it is ridiculous to believe that they come here and get all of this great stuff for free. If he is... it's the SYSTEM that gives it to him that needs to be fixed.
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And speaking of passing it on to our future generations... how about the massive unpaid and heavily mismanaged taxes incurred by Iraq? You haven't paid dime one for this 500 Billion dollar cost because it has been passed on to future Americans. This is OUR war and we should pay for it... we voted this asshole in for a second round of screwing us. So, don't tell me about passing on OUR debts... yours and mine... to the kids and their kids.

CorporateWhore

Cosmo wrote:

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Immigration is an issue... but compared to the infrastructure problems, such as the levees, the number of Californian National Guardsmen, Army and Marine Regulars and Reservists that are shouldering the weight of this assinine War in Iraq, the small number of agents we have inspecting the massive international ports of Los Angeles/Long Beach and San Francisco... it's further down the list of priorities. Immigration is popular because the targets are soft and easy to hit.
How does one get a Social Security Card and Medicare payments... if he is here illegally? People say, 'They get free medical care, but I can't...". Yes, you CAN. Go down to County Services and wait in the waiting room for 6 to 8 hours to see a doctor as you get pushed down the list to make way for traffic accident victims and others with worst cases than your sore throat. And it is ridiculous to believe that they come here and get all of this great stuff for free. If he is... it's the SYSTEM that gives it to him that needs to be fixed.
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And speaking of passing it on to our future generations... how about the massive unpaid and heavily mismanaged taxes incurred by Iraq? You haven't paid dime one for this 500 Billion dollar cost because it has been passed on to future Americans. This is OUR war and we should pay for it... we voted this asshole in for a second round of screwing us. So, don't tell me about passing on OUR debts... yours and mine... to the kids and their kids.

Well, I'm with you on the war in Iraq. We're going to be paying for that for the next few generations. I'm 20 years old though (2 months til I'm 21) and I know as well as anyone that I'll be paying for that shit for a long time.

Still, with an border that is not secure, our little "war on terror" is pretty futile. We can't keep out the people that might just sneak across out border to do us harm, rather than try to get a simple job.

I've waited for shots at the county medical services building, so I know exactly what you're talking about. I was dead last and it took me 3 hours to get my shots. Pregnant illegal women got their checkups before me. I was the only white guy in the place - everyone else was hispanic. Call me a bigot, but I'm willing to guess that they were illegal seeing as how they were willing to wait so damn long.

Cosmo

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well, I'm with you on the war in Iraq. We're going to be paying for that for the next few generations. I'm 20 years old though (2 months til I'm 21) and I know as well as anyone that I'll be paying for that shit for a long time.

Still, with an border that is not secure, our little "war on terror" is pretty futile. We can't keep out the people that might just sneak across out border to do us harm, rather than try to get a simple job.

I've waited for shots at the county medical services building, so I know exactly what you're talking about. I was dead last and it took me 3 hours to get my shots. Pregnant illegal women got their checkups before me. I was the only white guy in the place - everyone else was hispanic. Call me a bigot, but I'm willing to guess that they were illegal seeing as how they were willing to wait so damn long.

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How many of the September 11th hi-jackers were here illegally? They were here on legally obtained, albeit, expired college visas. The terrorists want to keep a low profile... as do the illegal immigrants.
And I'll agree about the County Services offices... but, I would venture to guess that the common thread was their economic status, not their legal status. If this is such a huge issue... treat them after you call INS and see who flees and who stays. Those who are here illegally and treated... How about we send Mexico the bill and take it out of the millions of taxpayer dollars in foriegn and economic aid we ship over there annually?
Also... I say go after the root cause... the jobs that draws them here. If it is such a major security issue... go after the employers and seize their assets and sell them off at auction to pay the bills. Why do we constantly go after the lowest onthe totem pole? Because they are easy targets. Try going after the top of the totem pole and get rid of the main reason they come here.

blackredyellow

miller8966 wrote:

He definetly is the man.......and lol at you. Its only ok to hate jews if your muslim?

I'm surprised miller that you support probably the most liberal governor in the US.

JOEJOEJOE

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well, I'm with you on the war in Iraq. We're going to be paying for that for the next few generations. I'm 20 years old though (2 months til I'm 21) and I know as well as anyone that I'll be paying for that shit for a long time.

Still, with an border that is not secure, our little "war on terror" is pretty futile. We can't keep out the people that might just sneak across out border to do us harm, rather than try to get a simple job.

I've waited for shots at the county medical services building, so I know exactly what you're talking about. I was dead last and it took me 3 hours to get my shots. Pregnant illegal women got their checkups before me. I was the only white guy in the place - everyone else was hispanic. Call me a bigot, but I'm willing to guess that they were illegal seeing as how they were willing to wait so damn long.

Perhaps they were legal, but simply could not afford to pay for the shots elsewhere. You arei ndeed a bigot.

Why were you using county medical services that MY tax dollars fund?

Perhaps you are just bitter that you can't afford better healthcare.....maybe thats why you are so bitter towards others.......sad that you are this way even before you turn 21. You would have made a very loyal Nazi.

onelongsong

i know arnie and he's a great bloke; but in a letter to me; he told me about how he dreamed about coming to america as a boy. i admire his efforts to attain the american dream and his success at doing it; but i think it clouds his judgment on some issues. over 100,000 california residents move to arizona each year. why the exodus and who is leaving? arizona has less benefits and is the most illegal alien "unfriendly" state in the union. we will let you die before you can get a penny from the state if you're illegal.
the point here is that california is losing much of it's work force and the question rises: who will be paying taxes to pay for these benefits? many of the high pay stars live; or claim residency to arizona. so where's the money coming from?

onelongsong

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well, I'm with you on the war in Iraq. We're going to be paying for that for the next few generations. I'm 20 years old though (2 months til I'm 21) and I know as well as anyone that I'll be paying for that shit for a long time.

Still, with an border that is not secure, our little "war on terror" is pretty futile. We can't keep out the people that might just sneak across out border to do us harm, rather than try to get a simple job.

I've waited for shots at the county medical services building, so I know exactly what you're talking about. I was dead last and it took me 3 hours to get my shots. Pregnant illegal women got their checkups before me. I was the only white guy in the place - everyone else was hispanic. Call me a bigot, but I'm willing to guess that they were illegal seeing as how they were willing to wait so damn long.

dude; read your last sentence. YOU waited longer than anyone else there. i'm with you on illegals. we should treat them as their government treats americans trying to get into mexico illegally. but check your logic.

hippiemom

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well, I'm with you on the war in Iraq. We're going to be paying for that for the next few generations. I'm 20 years old though (2 months til I'm 21) and I know as well as anyone that I'll be paying for that shit for a long time.

Still, with an border that is not secure, our little "war on terror" is pretty futile. We can't keep out the people that might just sneak across out border to do us harm, rather than try to get a simple job.

I've waited for shots at the county medical services building, so I know exactly what you're talking about. I was dead last and it took me 3 hours to get my shots. Pregnant illegal women got their checkups before me. I was the only white guy in the place - everyone else was hispanic. Call me a bigot, but I'm willing to guess that they were illegal seeing as how they were willing to wait so damn long.

Why were you willing to wait so damn long?

Skitch Patterson

Agree or Disagree with his decisions, Arnold has shown more backbone than just about anyone in government the past 25 years or so. I cant think over another politician that has been so open and willing to break from the "party line".

The job he has attempted to do is worthy of respect.

onelongsong

Skitch Patterson wrote:

Agree or Disagree with his decisions, Arnold has shown more backbone than just about anyone in government the past 25 years or so. I cant think over another politician that has been so open and willing to break from the "party line".

The job he has attempted to do is worthy of respect.

i agree; but he jumped on a sinking ship and he won't be able to bail it out in time.

CorporateWhore

Cosmo wrote:

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They were here on legally obtained, albeit, expired college visas.

That means they were here illegally.

Cosmo wrote:

The terrorists want to keep a low profile... as do the illegal immigrants. And I'll agree about the County Services offices... but, I would venture to guess that the common thread was their economic status, not their legal status. If this is such a huge issue... treat them after you call INS and see who flees and who stays. Those who are here illegally and treated... How about we send Mexico the bill and take it out of the millions of taxpayer dollars in foriegn and economic aid we ship over there annually?
Also... I say go after the root cause... the jobs that draws them here. If it is such a major security issue... go after the employers and seize their assets and sell them off at auction to pay the bills. Why do we constantly go after the lowest onthe totem pole? Because they are easy targets. Try going after the top of the totem pole and get rid of the main reason they come here.

Also, an interesting facet in this problem is the Federal fucking Government. The IRS receives the stolen social security numbers from the employers who receive them from the illegals. Otherwise, the illegals couldn't get a job (in some cases), right? So, how does the IRS not know that the social security numbers are stolen? The answer: they DO know! The government is complicit in illegal immigration. They receive the taxes and look the other way at the stolen S.S. numbers.

The government is so complicit, it refuses to jail and fine any of the corporate bastards who are paying the illegals under the table or on stolen social security numbers. Our government is corrupt and George W. Bush needs to be impeached over this because it's happened on his watch. Clinton, though I hate him, produced way more fines for CEOs who employed illegals.

I would support lowering spending on foreign aid to Mexico or completely ending it until that government stops supporting illegal immigration to America. Their leaders have expressly stated that they would like to see more Mexicans north of the Rio Grande. Why? To influence American voting of course! But, those Mexicans still remain Mexicans, though. Make sure not to assimilate, they tell them. Mexico's corrupt leaders would love to slough off their poorest people to America.

CorporateWhore

hippiemom wrote:

Why were you willing to wait so damn long?

Well, because I was 18 and stupid. Now I'm 20 going on 21 and way more experienced.

CorporateWhore

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Perhaps they were legal, but simply could not afford to pay for the shots elsewhere. You arei ndeed a bigot.

Why were you using county medical services that MY tax dollars fund?

Perhaps you are just bitter that you can't afford better healthcare.....maybe thats why you are so bitter towards others.......sad that you are this way even before you turn 21. You would have made a very loyal Nazi.

Actually I used my insurance.

"sad that you are this way even before you turn 21"

Hahahaha, I take that as a compliment.

CorporateWhore

onelongsong wrote:

dude; read your last sentence. YOU waited longer than anyone else there. i'm with you on illegals. we should treat them as their government treats americans trying to get into mexico illegally. but check your logic.

Haha, well, I got there early so I assumed that some people waited even longer than me.

The real "logic" was that they were all hispanic and going to a government funded medical center. If they had all been hispanic and seeking care at a private office, I would assume I was in a more hispanic area. This was my home-town though, which was at most 20% hispanic.

norm

CorporateWhore wrote:

"sad that you are this way even before you turn 21"

Hahahaha, I take that as a compliment.

Don't.

sapperskunk

cutback wrote:

Don't.

Give me a break Cutback, you're the one who essentially called him a "nazi". Which in the present tense here in the US and probably on these boards, is a derogatory term.

norm

sapperskunk wrote:

Give me a break Cutback, you're the one who essentially called him a "nazi". Which in the present tense here in the US and probably on these boards, is a derogatory term.

I'd love to read where I called anyone a Nazi. I fact I'm pretty sure I've never typed that word in my life.:rolleyes:

JOEJOEJOE

sapperskunk wrote:

Give me a break Cutback, you're the one who essentially called him a "nazi". Which in the present tense here in the US and probably on these boards, is a derogatory term.

yoo hoo!

I was the one who called Corp-Whore a Nazi.........did you not read where Corp-Whore uttered the term "Stupid Mexican"...I suppose you are ok with that term?