Accomplishments of Islam

miller8966

[No idea the original source of this, but found it interesting comparison]
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1994 - Yaser Arafat

Physics: 1990 - Elias James Corey 1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Medicine: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 1998 - Ferid Mourad

The Present Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg and 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics: 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis

Milhouse VanHouten

Why is that list "interesting"?

fragileblake

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Why is that list "interesting"?

Racism is interesting....didn't you know that?

didem

is it?

Milhouse VanHouten

fragileblake wrote:

Racism is interesting....didn't you know that?

I also found it funny that Nobel Peace Prizes were given to Arafat and Kissinger.

keeponrockin

Do you have anything to do other then spread hate?

sourdough

How about the fact that while Europe was stuck in Medieval times barbarous kingships, the Muslims were well advanced in medicine, technology and science. Too bad Nobel prizes weren't handed out then

farfromglorified

Miller actually as a point here people (though I'm terrified of how his mind is using it). Many modern Arab states are now far behind their historic predecessors in terms of science, technology, medicine, etc.

No one should be afraid of acknowledging that much of modern Islamic culture is incredibly repressive and that many Islamic societies are built upon a foundation of everything that a thinking person should reject. Conversely, no one should be so stupid to think that those facts somehow give us license to adopt their methods or tactics.

It is not racist to suggest that radicalized Arab societies are dismal failures. It would only be racist to suggest that they are dismal failures because they are Arab.

sourdough

I don't think anyone is denying the fact that Islamic countries are behind technologically and scientifically. Since they descended into Islamic theocracies, they have lagged and/or rejected science and innovation. However when countries ie Egypt started to westernize their societies, they wound up in huge problems too. it wasn't too long ago when the Islamic world was the scientific and technological superiors.

rebornFixer

sourdough wrote:

How about the fact that while Europe was stuck in Medieval times barbarous kingships, the Muslims were well advanced in medicine, technology and science. Too bad Nobel prizes weren't handed out then

Not technically correct, because these countries in the Middle East developed these advances well before Islam came about. "People in the Middle East" were advanced, not "the Muslims". If anything, Islam hardliners ultimately served to stifle progress.

rebornFixer

farfromglorified wrote:

Miller actually as a point here people (though I'm terrified of how his mind is using it). Many modern Arab states are now far behind their historic predecessors in terms of science, technology, medicine, etc.

No one should be afraid of acknowledging that much of modern Islamic culture is incredibly repressive and that many Islamic societies are built upon a foundation of everything that a thinking person should reject. Conversely, no one should be so stupid to think that those facts somehow give us license to adopt their methods or tactics.

It is not racist to suggest that radicalized Arab societies are dismal failures. It would only be racist to suggest that they are dismal failures because they are Arab.

Well said.
Of course, where would people be if they couldn't completely overuse the term "racism"?

sourdough

reborncareerist wrote:

Not technically correct, because these countries in the Middle East developed these advances well before Islam came about. "People in the Middle East" were advanced, not "the Muslims". If anything, Islam hardliners ultimately served to stifle progress.

Ahhh, technicalities. Okay, I stand corrected, however, even after they became muslims, they still held dominance militarily and scientifically did they not? I was amazed at the Al Hombra, Mozquita and the Alcazar in Spain and the grandeur of the buildings and grounds when I went to see them. compared with the churches and castles of the rest of Europe from the same time period, it was hard to believe that Europe would catch up so quickly.

rebornFixer

sourdough wrote:

Ahhh, technicalities. Okay, I stand corrected, however, even after they became muslims, they still held dominance militarily and scientifically did they not? I was amazed at the Al Hombra, Mozquita and the Alcazar in Spain and the grandeur of the buildings and grounds when I went to see them. compared with the churches and castles of the rest of Europe from the same time period, it was hard to believe that Europe would catch up so quickly.

For a time, yes. I don't think the military dominance lasted too long.

sourdough

reborncareerist wrote:

For a time, yes. I don't think the military dominance lasted too long.

Well, they were knocking on Austrias door as late as the 1680's so that was a pretty good run. They did continue to innovate after Islam permeated the middle east, so I guess it is fair to say that although many of the advancements in the middle east predate Islam, it did continue to persist through a long period of Islamic history.

rebornFixer

sourdough wrote:

Well, they were knocking on Austrias door as late as the 1680's so that was a pretty good run. They did continue to innovate after Islam permeated the middle east, so I guess it is fair to say that although many of the advancements in the middle east predate Islam, it did continue to persist through a long period of Islamic history.

True, but perhaps not to the same extent. Perhaps its a personal bias of mine, but I think history bears me out ... Greater religiousity is often associated with lower scientific progress. Europe had its Dark Age and then came out of it when secularism took root. The Middle East actually seemed to go in the opposite direction.

MrBrian

They were known to be very progressive, they had huge libraries, were great in science. So it's not accurate to say that islam took anything away, the height infact was during the times of islam.

Muslim mathematicians were the best in the world at one point, so were muslim doctors. geology, art medicine. the list is huge.

How they live now should not take away from the many many amazing things they've done, It's accurate to say that without them, we'd still be in the dark.

The muslims were also great at taking older works (by the greeks and such) and preserving them and adding to them, that's when everyone else wanted to burn these books cause they were "the devils work"

farfromglorified

sourdough wrote:

I don't think anyone is denying the fact that Islamic countries are behind technologically and scientifically. Since they descended into Islamic theocracies, they have lagged and/or rejected science and innovation. However when countries ie Egypt started to westernize their societies, they wound up in huge problems too. it wasn't too long ago when the Islamic world was the scientific and technological superiors.

Exactly! This is not an issue of governments. If it were that simple, it would be a non-issue. This is an issue of culture.

farfromglorified

reborncareerist wrote:

Well said.
Of course, where would people be if they couldn't completely overuse the term "racism"?

Ironically, people would be in a much less racist world. In much the same way that a homophobe typically has problems with their own sexuality, the person who constantly yells "RACIST" is often times exhibiting the very behavior they claim to abhor.

rebornFixer

farfromglorified wrote:

Ironically, people would be in a much less racist world. In much the same way that a homophobe typically has problems with their own sexuality, the person who constantly yells "RACIST" is often times exhibiting the very behavior they claim to abhor.

I too wonder if it isn't some form of defense mechanism.

farfromglorified

MrBrian wrote:

How they live now should not take away from the many many amazing things they've done, It's accurate to say that without them, we'd still be in the dark.

Of course not!! Rather, the many amazing things they've done should make them ashamed of where they are today. And the terrible things they're doing today are certainly a reason for us to reject their prescriptions and demands and to examine our own societies and way of life to ensure we're not adopting their standards and modus operandi.

farfromglorified

reborncareerist wrote:

I too wonder if it isn't some form of defense mechanism.

Typically, it is. But of course there is much racism in this world and to call it out is not, by default, a "defense mechanism".

Racism is just faulty logic. It is rarely useful to call a racist a racist. It makes more sense to simply correct their premises. When you simply scream out "RACIST", it typically means you can't back it up.

rebornFixer

farfromglorified wrote:

Typically, it is. But of course there is much racism in this world and to call it out is not, by default, a "defense mechanism".

Racism is just faulty logic. It is rarely useful to call a racist a racist. It makes more sense to simply correct their premises. When you simply scream out "RACIST", it typically means you can't back it up.

Yes, I mean overuse of the term, not its use in all cases. One thing that irks me a bit is the one-sided use of the term. It is more commonly applied to members of the majority (read: White) group, be it justified or not.

farfromglorified

reborncareerist wrote:

Yes, I mean overuse of the term, not its use in all cases. One thing that irks me a bit is the one-sided use of the term. It is more commonly applied to members of the majority (read: White) group, be it justified or not.

Well it's sort of a wierd issue. Systematic racism acted out by whites tends to damage two parties (whites and Other) whereas systematic racism acted out by "minorities" damages a single party (Other). In other words, minority racism just tends to be self-defeating whereas majority racism tends to be wholly defeating.

This has led to a foolish element of society to believe that racism is tied to systematic power. This means somehow that a disadvantaged group can't be "racist" while an advantaged can be. What they fail to understand is that racism and power are not mutually dependent, particularly considering the irony that such viewpoints have allowed minorities to gain power at the cost of the established majorities regardless of that majority's propensity for racism.

Racism is a failure of logic...a systematic ideology that ties race to unrelated characteristics. And logic (along with such failures) is irrespective to power or to color.

rebornFixer

farfromglorified wrote:

Well it's sort of a wierd issue. Systematic racism acted out by whites tends to damage two parties (whites and Other) whereas systematic racism acted out by "minorities" damages a single party (Other). In other words, minority racism just tends to be self-defeating whereas majority racism tends to be wholly defeating.

This has led to a foolish element of society to believe that racism is tied to systematic power. This means somehow that a disadvantaged group can't be "racist" while an advantaged can be. What they fail to understand is that racism and power are not mutually dependent, particularly considering the irony that such viewpoints have allowed minorities to gain power at the cost of the established majorities regardless of that majority's propensity for racism.

Racism is a failure of logic...a systematic ideology that ties race to unrelated characteristics. And logic (along with such failures) is irrespective to power or to color.

Well, I think the formulation of racism as a logical error is brilliant, and I agree with the second paragraph as it is ... Wondering, though ... How do you figure that racism by minorities only damages themselves? I am not sure that I can agree with that, based on both personal experiences and things I have observed. In fact, Islamic extremism is a very racist ideology, and provides a stirling example of when racism by minorities (in North America, at least) can have bad consequences for all of society.

miller8966

MrBrian wrote:

They were known to be very progressive, they had huge libraries, were great in science. So it's not accurate to say that islam took anything away, the height infact was during the times of islam.

Muslim mathematicians were the best in the world at one point, so were muslim doctors. geology, art medicine. the list is huge.

How they live now should not take away from the many many amazing things they've done, It's accurate to say that without them, we'd still be in the dark.

The muslims were also great at taking older works (by the greeks and such) and preserving them and adding to them, that's when everyone else wanted to burn these books cause they were "the devils work"

Yes, they did partake in these achievements and should be applauded for them...the sad part is that these accomplishments were done Centuries ago....

farfromglorified

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, I think the formulation of racism as a logical error is brilliant, and I agree with the second paragraph as it is ... Wondering, though ... How do you figure that racism by minorities only damages themselves?

The same way any logical error damages the person in error. If you assume 2+2 = 5, you'll have a really tough time in life. Similarly, if you assume that all black people are stupid, all white people are racist or all Arabs are terrorists, you'll have a tough time marrying the real world to the fantasy land you've built in your head.

I am not sure that I can agree with that, based on both personal experiences and things I have observed. In fact, Islamic extremism is a very racist ideology, and provides a stirling example of when racism by minorities (in North America, at least) can have bad consequences for all of society.

Islamic extremism is quite racist. And would you not agree that they're damaging themselves far more than they're damaging others? Certainly 2,000 dead in New York is horrible, but it pales in comparison to the damage done to millions of resident Arab peoples.

I'm not making the claim that minority racism cannot hurt a majority target. It certainly can! But rare is the case where minority racism harms the majority more than that minority.

rebornFixer

farfromglorified wrote:

Islamic extremism is quite racist. And would you not agree that they're damaging themselves far more than they're damaging others? Certainly 2,000 dead in New York is horrible, but it pales in comparison to the damage done to millions of resident Arab peoples.

I'm not making the claim that minority racism cannot hurt a majority target. It certainly can! But rare is the case where minority racism harms the majority more than that minority.

I will concede that point, yes.

MrBrian

farfromglorified wrote:

Of course not!! Rather, the many amazing things they've done should make them ashamed of where they are today. And the terrible things they're doing today are certainly a reason for us to reject their prescriptions and demands and to examine our own societies and way of life to ensure we're not adopting their standards and modus operandi.

Yes they should be ashamed of themselves, It's sad to see them these days, I mean from the very highs to now the very lows, of course the west helped bring them down historically speaking, but one can not ignore them doing it to themselves as well, greed and power helped play a roll in the current state they are in along with outside influences.

Like saudi arabia,iran and iraq for example these days, iran was doing fairly well until 1953 when the cia started to mess around with them, arabia became saudi arabia and we all know the history of iraq.

But I hope to see them regardless break away from this circle they are going in, it would also help if america stopped spinning it and if my short education in latin is correct, america has it's own standards of modus operandi that they need to look for and change themselves.

Open

miller8966 wrote:

Yes, they did partake in these achievements and should be applauded for them...the sad part is that these accomplishments were done Centuries ago....

Explain to me the point that you're trying to make; in your own words not an article.

farfromglorified

MrBrian wrote:

Yes they should be ashamed of themselves, It's sad to see them these days, I mean from the very highs to now the very lows, of course the west helped bring them down historically speaking, but one can not ignore them doing it to themselves as well, greed and power helped play a roll in the current state they are in along with outside influences.

Like saudi arabia,iran and iraq for example these days, iran was doing fairly well until 1953 when the cia started to mess around with them, arabia became saudi arabia and we all know the history of iraq.

But I hope to see them regardless break away from this circle they are going in, it would also help if america stopped spinning it and if my short education in latin is correct, america has it's own standards of modus operandi that they need to look for and change themselves.

I completely agree!

MrBrian

alright cool bro, always nice to see people find common ground.
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