Texas - Execution

rarghrargh-brownstar

Derrick Frazier aka Hasan Shakur was executed by the State of Texas this evening.

RIP
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I am soo pissed off right now. Why couldnt he have had a fair trial?

Fuck.


Edit:

http://www.hasanshakur.com/
http://www.petitiononline.com/dfrazier/

rarghrargh-brownstar

On June 28, 2006, the Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Hasan Shakur’s claims concerning juror misconduct. Because of this denial a new execution date has been set for August 31, 2006. The court did not believe that the statement from a witness, ‘saying she overheard a female juror saying “he (Mr. Shakur) is dead”, while making a slashing gesture across her neck in the courtroom,’ was true.

The facts and the claims in this case have not changed in any way. The most serious claims are:
-Incompetent trial attorney(s)
-All-white jury
-Forced confession
-Lack of physical evidence
-Questionable indictment
-No mitigation evidence presented in punishment phase
-Jurors and victims' family had contact during the trial

Ahnimus

That's why capital punishment is just wrong. I've always hated it, it makes me sick, really.

rarghrargh-brownstar

Ahnimus wrote:

That's why capital punishment is just wrong. I've always hated it, it makes me sick, really.

What year is it?

It's embarassing its the 2000's. If I had children, I'd be embarassed.

It makes me sick too.

Whether youre Republican, Democrat, libertarian...um, or Whig?? I think we can ALL agree on a FAIR trial. I dont see any naiveté in this statement either.


I am an idiot as well. I could've emailed more people. This isnt something to procrastinate on.

:( I feel responsibility as a human for letting this happen.


*sigh*
and GRRRRRRRRR

Pickr

rarghrargh-brownstar wrote:

What year is it?

It's embarassing its the 2000's. If I had children, I'd be embarassed.

It makes me sick too.

Whether youre Republican, Democrat, libertarian...um, or Whig?? I think we can ALL agree on a FAIR trial. I dont see any naiveté in this statement either.


I am an idiot as well. I could've emailed more people. This isnt something to procrastinate on.

:( I feel responsibility as a human for letting this happen.


*sigh*
and GRRRRRRRRR

Capital Punishment has its role where appropriate. I can't really comment on this case specifically as I know nothing about it, but come on, do people who fuck little kids, rape and murder the innocent all with a smile on thier face and no remorse have a right to live at our expense?

Ahnimus

Pickr wrote:

Capital Punishment has its role where appropriate. I can't really comment on this case specifically as I know nothing about it, but come on, do people who fuck little kids, rape and murder the innocent all with a smile on thier face and no remorse have a right to live at our expense?

Yes, they can be exiled or imprisoned.

moeaholic

Ahnimus wrote:

Yes, they can be exiled or imprisoned.

as long as they're proven 100% guilty, i have no problem in seeing their life end.

Pickr

Ahnimus wrote:

Yes, they can be exiled or imprisoned.

Imprisoned at our expense. Exiled where?

Ahnimus

Pickr wrote:

Imprisoned at our expense. Exiled where?

Well, back in the day, we used to ship Lepars off to an Island to die.

We could do the same with Murderers, Rapists and Pedophiles.

Imprisoned at our expense yes. I'd rather spend $10,000/year to imprison a criminal than execute him.

Pickr

Ahnimus wrote:

Imprisoned at our expense yes. I'd rather spend $10,000/year to imprison a criminal than execute him.

Why? A sadist who exhumes nothing but pleasure from doing sicker shit than we could ever think of to others...Someone who destroys children's lives and thier families? Someone who could not care less about jail, who will be getting fed better than us every day? Someone who could one day get out under the guise of being rehabilitated only to re-offend as we have seen so many countless times. Someone who even in jail still gets a hard on just thinking about the sheer terror they brought upon someone innocent?

Texas is a fucked up place, and who knows what happened in that instance. But if you have a confession, DNA evidence and someone who kills just to do it, fuck em...give me the $10,000, they can live with me, but it sure as hell won't be for a year.

These assholes get off way to easy. Especially in my pussy ass country who sppon feeds criminals and makes ghosts out of victims. I'm fucking tired of it...Fuck Bundy, Fuck Gacy, Fuck Dahmer, Fuck Bernanrdo, Fuck Homolka, Fuck Richard Ramirez, fuck all those assholes who are already dead, who should die, and who have a date with a needle..which is way to fucking easy...

Ahnimus

Pickr wrote:

Why? A sadist who exhumes nothing but pleasure from doing sicker shit than we could ever think of to others...Someone who destroys children's lives and thier families? Someone who could not care less about jail, who will be getting fed better than us every day? Someone who could one day get out under the guise of being rehabilitated only to re-offend as we have seen so many countless times. Someone who even in jail still gets a hard on just thinking about the sheer terror they brought upon someone innocent?

Texas is a fucked up place, and who knows what happened in that instance. But if you have a confession, DNA evidence and someone who kills just to do it, fuck em...give me the $10,000, they can live with me, but it sure as hell won't be for a year.

These assholes get off way to easy. Especially in my pussy ass country who sppon feeds criminals and makes ghosts out of victims. I'm fucking tired of it...Fuck Bundy, Fuck Gacy, Fuck Dahmer, Fuck Bernanrdo, Fuck Homolka, Fuck Richard Ramirez, fuck all those assholes who are already dead, who should die, and who have a date with a needle..which is way to fucking easy...

It only takes one mistake to completely undo any justification for execution.

Pickr

Ahnimus wrote:

It only takes one mistake to completely undo any justification for execution.

And how many unecessary deaths to justify it?

rarghrargh-brownstar

Pickr wrote:

Capital Punishment has its role where appropriate. I can't really comment on this case specifically as I know nothing about it, but come on, do people who fuck little kids, rape and murder the innocent all with a smile on thier face and no remorse have a right to live at our expense?

Um, I didnt say otherwise.

Personally, i think they should live and suffer. Proven GUILTY people that is. Death is more of a bliss to them (even for Hell-believers), as I have stated soo many times before.

There's no argument here.

Shouldnt Capital Punishment have its role in RESPONSIBILITY????

Do you really think this is about letting murders and child-rapists off the hook.
Seriously??

Yes. Bad people dont always deserve to live. Yeeeeessssss. Very good.
Nooo. Free trial CAN'T be subjected to unfair policies against DEMOCRACY ( American Democracy, for some of those who dont comprehend Universal Human Rights ).


RiP.
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Pickr

rarghrargh-brownstar wrote:

Um, I didnt say otherwise.

Personally, i think they should live and suffer. Proven GUILTY people that is. Death is more of a bliss to them (even for Hell-believers), as I have stated soo many times before.

There's no argument here.

Shouldnt Capital Punishment have its role in RESPONSIBILITY????

Do you really think this is about letting murders and child-rapists off the hook.
Seriously??

Yes. Bad people dont always deserve to live. Yeeeeessssss. Very good.
Nooo. Free trial CAN'T be subjected to unfair policies against DEMOCRACY ( American Democracy, for some of those who dont comprehend Universal Human Rights ).


RiP.
@-)

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In my opinion, yes..for the sickest in our society who do such evil, if they aren't destroyed like they should be, they are off the hook..IMO..

Bit naive? Yes...Bit cold hearted yes...But I am not going to hide it and prance around pretending not to be in these situations. Too many people already do...As I said, if there is DNA, confessions, killing just to kill, then I think enough RESPONSIBILITY has been shown to justify the end..

Pickr

Trial begins for man who "chopped up" his wife
During the opening trial of Zeshen Zhou, 35, of Auckland, New Zealand, crown prosecutor John Dixon gave grim details about the murder of Shunlian Huang, 24, that occurred on September 1, 2005.

Zeshen Zhou is accused of the murder of his wife, Shunlian Huang, shortly after the couple had spoken of separating. Unable to accept the fact that his marriage was ending, Zhou allegedly took a meat cleaver and hit his wife dozens of times on her head, her neck, her shoulders and her forearms.



The woman tried to resist the assault but then Zhou grabbed a knife and stabbed her several times in the neck. Forensic examinations also revealed also that the victim's skull was crushed with a hammer.



When police, alerted by the neighbors, arrived on the scene Zhou admitted the killing saying, "I chopped up my wife", but has since pled not guilty to the murder charge.



Ogrish Report: Giulio Artioli



Just one of many. He was probaly just misunderstood as a child, didn't get enough attention. Mom never loved him enough, and dad was always drunk etc etc etc e t c

rarghrargh-brownstar

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, back in the day, we used to ship Lepars off to an Island to die.

We could do the same with Murderers, Rapists and Pedophiles.

Imprisoned at our expense yes. I'd rather spend $10,000/year to imprison a criminal than execute him.

I honestly dont get how "some" Christians are against the death penalty. I dont mean this in a judgemental point of view, but sheer confusion.

Dont they want as many people as they can to get to Heaven?? Isnt it Christians' responsibility, to influence Christ in everyone. What about the whole repent-repent-repent, and accept Jesus as youre loving saviour- before you die. If this is justified by the short days before execution- still elusive.


Can you give me some scripture to support your beliefs?

Seriously trying to get educated here. I am not trying to be snarky either ( I dont know what that would gain).

Ahnimus

See the problem is, all these trials are dependant on what evidence can be found, not all the evidence that exists. And it also depends on a jury, who's views are usually politically charged. Just look at the O.J. case, the guy was guilty but walked because of the politics of convicted a black man in L.A.

It's pretty fucked up. Now what if he was an arab with a white jury. He'd be executed without due cause, simply because of the politics.

Ahnimus

rarghrargh-brownstar wrote:

I honestly dont get how Christians are against the death penalty. I dont mean this in a judgemental point of view, but sheer confusion.

Dont they want as many people as they can to get to Heaven?? Isnt it Christians' responsibility, to influence Christ in everyone. What about the whole repent-repent-repent, and accept Jesus as youre loving saviour- before you die. If this justified by the short days before execution- still elusive.


Can you give me some scripture to support your beliefs?

Seriously trying to get educated here. I am not trying to be snarky either ( I dont know what that would gain).

Well, I'm not a christian, the furthest from it, I completely disagree with those fairy tales. However, there is a commandment "thou shalt not kill" I think that has something to do with it.

rarghrargh-brownstar

Pickr wrote:

In my opinion, yes..for the sickest in our society who do such evil, if they aren't destroyed like they should be, they are off the hook..IMO..

Bit naive? Yes...Bit cold hearted yes...But I am not going to hide it and prance around pretending not to be in these situations. Too many people already do...As I said, if there is DNA, confessions, killing just to kill, then I think enough RESPONSIBILITY has been shown to justify the end..

^ I am not refuting that stance 100%.


If one of your loved ones has been accused without a free trial- would you still say buh-bye to them as well?? thats the simplest, most relatable form to break it down to.


Resonsibility here, isnt synonymous to accuracy + fairness. :(

Ahnimus

Please, watch this video http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5342014491745804302&q=bullshit+death

rarghrargh-brownstar

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, I'm not a christian, the furthest from it, I completely disagree with those fairy tales. However, there is a commandment "thou shalt not kill" I think that has something to do with it.

ok, you didnt have to say fairy tales mister/missus.
Some people dont quite measure them in that way- gotta try to respect that.
Even if it may be the most popular religion. There are dear Christians out there, who are non-judgemental and fair.

As far as the "thou shall not kill" command, is there a warrior-like? stance that refutes this saying in the Bible. Is it where religion becomes more of a test or battle- in yielding a more loyal following, that doesnt cater to a weaker-minded, easier perception of living on this planet ie being peaceful, forgiving.

Are there certain passages that specifically allow killing?


From a "religious" aspect, you would think the "thou shall not kill" maxim, would be ESPECIALLY inclusive to fair trials. In all religious respects (aside from basic secular notions), one would fairly assume that CAREFUL examination would play considerable role.