Is Ann Coulter just a political ploy?

El_Kabong

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

i think Moore is more legitimate.

He's nutsy too, but i don't think he's much of a political ploy.. just a jackass.

Coulter is 100 times more extremist than Moore.

yeah, moore doesn't wish al qaeda would blow up faux news...he doesn't preach invading countries, killing leaders and putting in socialism (or whatever)...coulter goes for a lot more shock value and that segment of 'kill em all and let god sort them out!' and the 'glass parking lot' ppl. i rememeber a little after 9/11 giving a ride to a neighbor and him saying we need to just nuke the whole middle east and get it over with and how we should just take the land anyway...that's her kinda ppl

soulsinging

isnt she being investigated for plagiarism right now? i read that somewhere recently... kinda frightening. bad enough to have one ann coulter but to find out that there are people out there sick enough for her to steal THEIR work is scary.

gabers

Byrnzie wrote:

I find it interesting that anyone would regard Michael Moore as 'extremist'. If Michael Moore represents 'extremism' in the U.S then the U.S really is in trouble. Let's not forget that he's simply a documentary maker/writer who attempts to shed light on areas of corruption within the American political/corporate sectors, and imbues his films and books with a lot of humour. Where's the extremism? Can anyone provide an example rather then making comments with nothing to support them.

Can somebody please name something extreme that Michael Moore has done or said?

I agree. I keep hearing this from conservatives but I've seen his movies and read his books. The guys uses humor sometimes to make points, but in my opinion Michael Moore is far from being extreme left. He just says things that conservatives don't want to hear, mostly because they are true. Please point to one example of him seriously being a wacko and I will be more than happy to change my mind.

my2hands

it is about the bottom line...her bottom line... it is obviously working... just ask limbaugh how well it works

there is a sucker born every minute

jeffbr

gabers wrote:

I agree. I keep hearing this from conservatives but I've seen his movies and read his books. The guys uses humor sometimes to make points, but in my opinion Michael Moore is far from being extreme left. He just says things that conservatives don't want to hear, mostly because they are true. Please point to one example of him seriously being a wacko and I will be more than happy to change my mind.

No you wont. There have been plenty of threads about his films and the way he manipulates and changes events to make his points. And not everyone who disagrees with him is a conservative, although you seem to paint them that way.

Byrnzie

jeffbr wrote:

No you wont. There have been plenty of threads about his films and the way he manipulates and changes events to make his points. And not everyone who disagrees with him is a conservative, although you seem to paint them that way.

I see you avoided giving an example. Just a meaningless comment about "...plenty of threads about his films and the way he manipulates and changes events to make his points."

How about giving an example?? Is that too much to ask??

eddies grrl

that depends on whether you believe the anti-christ is a political ploy. then, yes, she is.

she's the equivalent of the stuff i had to clean up off the floor this morning after my dog got sick. that stuff made me gag, too.

jeffbr

Byrnzie wrote:

I see you avoided giving an example. Just a meaningless comment about "...plenty of threads about his films and the way he manipulates and changes events to make his points."

How about giving an example?? Is that too much to ask??

Seriously, if you have never heard about any of Moore's distortions, obfuscations, exaggerations, or lies, you've only been hearing what you want to hear. His "documentaries" have been picked apart ad nauseum. He routinely cuts up footage to show events out of sequence without giving the viewer any indication that what happens. His words polarize.

Do you really need to be spoonfed? Is this really something new to you? There was even a movie made (Fahrenhype 911) to debunk many of Moore's deceptions in his movie. Here's a quick link to that: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

This wasn't supposed to be a thread about Michael Moore. But it is amazing how many people come to his rescue if someone says anything negative about him. The Bush supports are made fun of for this same behavior (caveat: I didn't vote for Bush, I'm merely an independent observer).

hippiemom

Ann Coulter's latest book was released on June 6 of this year ... that's 6-6-6. Conicidence? I think not!!!

eddies grrl

i don't even care if his motives are less than pristine. SOMEone has to verbalize this shit. let's face it, Farenheit 9/11 started MANY conversations, most of which questioning the bush administration's motives following the attacks. i think i's important that someone be just antagonistic enough to get people THINKING. this country is finally waking the fuck up from its slumber, and people like michael moore get some credit for that, imo.

soulsinging

eddie's grrl wrote:

i don't even care if his motives are less than pristine. SOMEone has to verbalize this shit. let's face it, Farenheit 9/11 started MANY conversations, most of which questioning the bush administration's motives following the attacks. i think i's important that someone be just antagonistic enough to get people THINKING. this country is finally waking the fuck up from its slumber, and people like michael moore get some credit for that, imo.

people on the other side could justifiably say the same things about ann coulter though.

Pearl Jam and toast

eddie's grrl wrote:

i don't even care if his motives are less than pristine. SOMEone has to verbalize this shit. let's face it, Farenheit 9/11 started MANY conversations, most of which questioning the bush administration's motives following the attacks. i think i's important that someone be just antagonistic enough to get people THINKING. this country is finally waking the fuck up from its slumber, and people like michael moore get some credit for that, imo.

Yeah. And anyone notice the common defense here against calling someone out is "And not everyone who disagrees with him is a conservative, although you seem to paint them that way.". Almost everyone who disagrees with him is conservative, and your time is better spent arguing exactly why you don't agree, not who does and who doesn't. :rolleyes:

And yes, the anti-christ is a great ploy. What better distraction could you have?

Pearl Jam and toast

soulsinging wrote:

people on the other side could justifiably say the same things about ann coulter though.

That brings us back to the reasonable debate about the two..

I still think Moore (although he has done some clever editing) has more valid things to say. And he's not insane... he's a jackass in a lot of ways.. but some of the things Coulter says really make her seem like she belongs in an asylum.

qwerty1

If Michael Moore is so untruthful, why hasnt anyone sued him?

chopitdown

ann coulter is no different than any other shock ENTERTAINER. Say something sensible no one listens...say something with fancy instigating rhetoric and you've instantly got drama...aka fans and haters...and you've got ATTENTION which means money. No matter your view about coulter or moore (i figured this thread would go there) they are both entertainers who are making more money than 99.9% of the world. they both i'm sure have something good to say but neither will say it w/o throwing in their rhetoric b/c no one in this day and age of MTV / video / soundbites wants to read or watch a well thought out articulated message...they want something shocking. So yes, they're all political ploys. Michael Moore did his little tour after 9/11 and was charging $50,000 bucks an appearance (or something obscene). It's about money and as much as moore seems to not like the system, he is complaining all the way to the bank.

jeffbr

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

And anyone notice the common defense here against calling someone out is "And not everyone who disagrees with him is a conservative, although you seem to paint them that way.".

This is the common defense here? For me it was specific to the post to which I was responding, not some arbitrary disclaimer. Try again.

I've already said I think Coulter is worse than Moore. I just think it is funny that libs can't see that Moore and Coulter are similar in approach, similar in how they approach their audience, and similar in the amount of distain they garner from people outside of their limited audiences. (ie, Coulter is a bitch with a man's adam's apple and Moore is a fat pig).

Pearl Jam and toast

jeffbr wrote:

I've already said I think Coulter is worse than Moore. I just think it is funny that libs can't see that Moore and Coulter are similar in approach, similar in how they approach their audience, and similar in the amount of distain they garner from people outside of their limited audiences. (ie, Coulter is a bitch with a man's adam's apple and Moore is a fat pig).

I see that they're similar in a lot of ways, but i think Coulter is a ploy and Moore is not.

Moore helps his cause to an extent, Coulter seems to exist simply as a distraction and to make other repubs look better.

soulsinging

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I see that they're similar in a lot of ways, but i think Coulter is a ploy and Moore is not.

Moore helps his cause to an extent, Coulter seems to exist simply as a distraction and to make other repubs look better.

what does moore do that coulter doesnt besides making movies (and coulter is not a filmaker so that doesnt really apply)?

if you lean to the left, coulter sounds like a psychotic bitch. if you lean to the right, so does michael moore. his conspiracy theories and the entire first half of fahrenheit 9/11 tracing tenuous ties between bin laden and bush that in the end didnt really serve any purpose sounds as loony to the right as ann coulter saying we should nuke the mideast sounds to the left.

El_Kabong

haha adam corolla hung up on her!

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Adam-Carolla-Coulter-7-6-06.mp3

Number 18

Is Moore an extremist? Yeah, probably. Do we need him absolutely. With one extremist, you need another to keep them in check. Both sides have them. It's just ashame they exist on any level, on any side. I think Jon Stewart said it best, "Extremists run this country because moderates actually have shit to do."