Chavez sees clearly

CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23036.shtml

He is absolutely correct in his assessment of the United States. I hope he succeeds in his goals of bringing the international community to oppose the world dictator and also to wake up the American public to the crimes being committed in our name.
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  • Commy wrote:
    http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23036.shtml

    He is absolutely correct in his assessment of the United States. I hope he succeeds in his goals of bringing the international community to oppose the world dictator and also to wake up the American public to the crimes being committed in our name.
    He might be right, but he is also a hypocrit.
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,290
    He might be right, but he is also a hypocrit.

    Exactly.
  • Commy wrote:
    http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23036.shtml

    He is absolutely correct in his assessment of the United States. I hope he succeeds in his goals of bringing the international community to oppose the world dictator and also to wake up the American public to the crimes being committed in our name.


    Oh yeah, definitely. If only every country were as peaceful and economically successful as Venezuela.....

    World dictator? Crimes being committed in our name?

    It's always a good laugh to come on the board and read ridiculous comments such as these.
    there once was a funny quote from a funny poem about a douchebag where this sentence is now.
  • Commy wrote:
    http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23036.shtml

    He is absolutely correct in his assessment of the United States. I hope he succeeds in his goals of bringing the international community to oppose the world dictator and also to wake up the American public to the crimes being committed in our name.

    Yeah...that's his "goal" :rolleyes:

    Chavez's only goals are to keep oil prices high and to appease his populist base so that he can stay in power. These kind of tactics play into the former.

    I'm all for criticizing George Bush, but your hero here is nothing more than a common charlatan.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    the world would be a better place if Americans could critique bush in the same fashion they critique chavez.....
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    Chavez is loco.






    bush is a war criminal.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    inmytree wrote:
    the world would be a better place if Americans could critique bush in the same fashion they critique chavez.....

    What are you talking about? They can. The just don't all choose to.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • inmytree wrote:
    the world would be a better place if Americans could critique bush in the same fashion they critique chavez.....

    They can. And they do.
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    If Chavez could present his position without sounding like a soundbite for WWE Smackdown, he'd have a lot more support here. As it stands, it is easy for the Bush Regime to marginalize him, because he's a hot head.
  • PickrPickr Posts: 161
    He has now resorted to calling Bush an alcoholic...I mean come on, I hate Bush as much as the next guy, but this is a leader of a nation calling out some other leader as an alcoholic? There are way better ways to criticize and not come off as some high school tattle tale.
    Stix and Stones may break my bones, but More than Words will never hurt me.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Commy wrote:
    http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23036.shtml

    He is absolutely correct in his assessment of the United States. I hope he succeeds in his goals of bringing the international community to oppose the world dictator and also to wake up the American public to the crimes being committed in our name.

    I agree... The speech was delivered in a juvinile manner, but the message was clear and it was accurate. additionally, our president has been far more juvinile on several occations. Not just in his bumbling words, but more importantly his actions.
  • Georege Bush doesn't believe the world revolves around him.

    In reality, the world doesn't revolve around George Bush.

    Yet, to the Democratic Party, and dictators (that actually ARE) dictators, around the globe, the world does revolve around George W. Bush.

    Question to the board: What PCT of your average day do you think about George Bush?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • I think it's inevitable: problems in his own country will eventually bring Chavez down. His hated America will go on long after he's gone.
    I'm not a hate monger.
    I don't hate anyone.
    I'm more of a hate...stylist.
  • Question to the board: What PCT of your average day do you think about George Bush?

    Probably alot more than would be considered healthy.
    Why go home

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  • Probably alot more than would be considered healthy.

    Seriously, I listen to a lot of talk radio and vist a lot of message boards and blogs.

    Obviously I'm biased, but the one thing that strikes me is that the right wing perspective puts for a lot of rhetoric, some of which I agree with, and some of which I don't...but they discuss what they think is going on, and what should be done about it.

    I also listen to Ed Schultz (who is moderate in this day and age), Randi Rhodes, et al...and ALL they talk about is George Bush. He is their center of the universe and are completely obsessed.

    It's weird.

    Am I wrong? or am I missing the substantive arguments?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • inmytree wrote:
    the world would be a better place if Americans could critique bush in the same fashion they critique chavez.....

    Could...or...would? And it happens quite frequently, especially on this forum.
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  • The fact that he may have some good points about Bush does not mean that he deserves any other accolades.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    He might be right, but he is also a hypocrite.

    I'd go with this answer too, but I think Chavez has done some good for his country even he hasn't lived up to all of his promises.

    :
  • Kenny Olav wrote:
    I'd go with this answer too, but I think Chavez has done some good for his country
    :

    Such as? You can't just call yourself a Socialist and thereby magically be a good person. You actually have to walk the walk. Chavez is corrupt, and all accounts point towards a major erosion of democracy and basic freedoms in Venezuela.
  • I saw some of the video of Chavez speaking and he made an excellent speech with very important points. Everyone seems to be getting upset about him calling Bush the devil, well is it not different from Bush giving speeches and answering questions calling people "evil-doers?" To Chavez, Bush is a person who is responsible for state sponspored terrorism, no different than Bush's "evil doers." The other thing I would like to point out, is that when he made those comments, many in the UN laughed, quite vocally. Chavez is not alone in the world when he considers the leader of the US an evil force. It is unfortunate that America is now in the position that it is a much hated super power. It is lonely at the top, but how much lonelier will it be at the bottom (which will be an unfortunate reality sooner or later)
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    purrmo wrote:
    It is lonely at the top, but how much lonelier will it be at the bottom (which will be an unfortunate reality sooner or later)

    Oh great seer, when will this occur?

    Some of you people crack me up. The bottom? Dream on. And if we go down, we're taking most of you with us, so we won't be lonely. Don't worry.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Such as? You can't just call yourself a Socialist and thereby magically be a good person. You actually have to walk the walk. Chavez is corrupt, and all accounts point towards a major erosion of democracy and basic freedoms in Venezuela.

    I didn't say he was magically a good person because he calls himself a socialist. I think he has to cater to his people somewhat to keep himself and his friends in power. Its just like the situation in Cuba. Yes, its far from ideal, but its still better than the regimes they replaced.
  • Seriously, I listen to a lot of talk radio and vist a lot of message boards and blogs.

    Obviously I'm biased, but the one thing that strikes me is that the right wing perspective puts for a lot of rhetoric, some of which I agree with, and some of which I don't...but they discuss what they think is going on, and what should be done about it.

    I also listen to Ed Schultz (who is moderate in this day and age), Randi Rhodes, et al...and ALL they talk about is George Bush. He is their center of the universe and are completely obsessed.

    It's weird.

    Am I wrong? or am I missing the substantive arguments?

    Chavez is a moron, the fact that other foreign leaders would laugh at his devil comment just shows how big a joke the UN really is.

    And, yes bashing and blaming President Bush for everything is an everyday and sometimes all day activity for most liberals. If they didn't have that they might actually have to come up with some substantive policies to better our country.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    Seriously, I listen to a lot of talk radio and vist a lot of message boards and blogs.
    Judging by your sig., you visit Free Republic frequently. They toss that monologue around quite a bit. Yes, I lurk there. Good to know the enemy.
    Obviously I'm biased, but the one thing that strikes me is that the right wing perspective puts for a lot of rhetoric, some of which I agree with, and some of which I don't...but they discuss what they think is going on, and what should be done about it.

    I also listen to Ed Schultz (who is moderate in this day and age), Randi Rhodes, et al...and ALL they talk about is George Bush. He is their center of the universe and are completely obsessed.

    It's weird.

    Am I wrong? or am I missing the substantive arguments?
    For me, it's not George Bush, it's the far right - which is often viewed as the moderate right in this day and age. George just happens to be at the helm. As for why they "focus" on Bush, it's simple - they're the opposition. That's what oppositions do - they oppose. If you think it's "weird," then you certainly need to get out more. Or jog your memory and think back to when the Republican party didn't have the White House.
  • Such as? You can't just call yourself a Socialist and thereby magically be a good person. You actually have to walk the walk. Chavez is corrupt, and all accounts point towards a major erosion of democracy and basic freedoms in Venezuela.




    How do you know Chavez is corrupt? Do you live in Venezuela? Do you see their local news or read their newspapers frequently? Do you even know a Venezuelan citizen? Do you even speak spanish?

    Personally I dont know much Chavez, but alot of people here seem to know Chavez very well without knowing squat. Many here just cant stand to see a brown skin latino calling out your beloved president for what you all know he is. Most here like to attact the messenger because they are to macho to admit that they backed an immoral person to run their country.
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    Many here just cant stand to see a brown skin latino calling out your beloved president for what you all know he is.

    Yup, it's latino-hatred. You figured it out.
  • Chavez is a moron, the fact that other foreign leaders would laugh at his devil comment just shows how big a joke the UN really is.

    And, yes bashing and blaming President Bush for everything is an everyday and sometimes all day activity for most liberals. If they didn't have that they might actually have to come up with some substantive policies to better our country.
    Did Limbaugh, et al not whine about Clinton 24/7? It goes both ways.
  • jsand wrote:
    Yup, it's latino-hatred. You figured it out.



    Its not latino hatred, its a superiority complex. The thought that Americans are far above everybody else and how dare a some latino president from a "banana republic" call us out.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    How do you know Chavez is corrupt? Do you live in Venezuela? Do you see their local news or read their newspapers frequently? Do you even know a Venezuelan citizen? Do you even speak spanish?

    Personally I dont know much Chavez, but alot of people here seem to know Chavez very well without knowing squat. Many here just cant stand to see a brown skin latino calling out your beloved president for what you all know he is. Most here like to attact the messenger because they are to macho to admit that they backed an immoral person to run their country.


    Don't know if you've ever heard of economic indicators, poverty statistics, unemployment statistics, news reports, etc... You may want to look into them. It allows people to understand things about a place without actually having to live there. Strange, I know.

    And nice job playing the race card. That is always effective.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    he's an asshole how about that. ok an evil dictator that is only interested in the price of oil that takes away freedom for the venezulan people. is that better
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