Filibuster
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This is an interesting clip in which it is asked why Democratic Senators refuse to filibuster the war funding that they all claim to be so against. Block the funding for more war and fund a safe and proper withdrawal...why not? Rhetoric rules the day it seems, meanwhile, thousands are stuck in a war zone day after day, needlessly. Ineffectual bags of hot air...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWavm8VelM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWavm8VelM
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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and before we hear the 'throw the troops under the bus' crap, i'm pretty sure they could pass something rather quickly to support the troops, just not the mass funding bush keeps asking for
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Granted, Bush will take some bad press for vetoing a bill that has some funding, but what does he care? Most of the backlash will go against the legislators that are seen as not funding our troops.
The progressive younger generation might see the big picture, but for those who lived through Vietnam, know that if you de-fund a war that a president has no intention of stopping, more and more soldiers will get killed, and they won't have the support and protection that they need. They will go from pretty much screwed over there, to royally fucked, and no one in the white house will really care about it.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Holy shit! What you are suggesting is that folks here use logic! Good luck with THAT one.
how so??? for acting within the will of what 70some% of the ppl want????
for the reply beneath yours if bush did what you say he could be impeached, and honestly, they need to be b/c we can't allow our elected officials to think they can get away w/ what this administration has
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
That would require the Dems to grow some balls and actually get something done. The only logical thing to do is go along with whatever Bush wants because his plans have been sooo super fantastic and helped our country flourish!! Just stick your nose out and smell the prosperity!
The people want out of this war and Bush's approval rating is 20% or even less lately. Impeachment due to his war crimes, on top of pouting and leaving our troops stranded instead of funding a proper withdrawal that most americans want anyway would not be such a hard thing to get done. But it would require our legislators to be effectual, listen to the peoples concerns and do their fucking job.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If you live in New Jersey, please vote for the guy.
He would act like a REAL senator.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
good point.
Their approval rating will go down for pushing for an end to this war that the people want to end and is the #1 issue this election year?
'Fuck those guys! They're actually doing what we want them to! That's not how congress is supposed to work...get those fuckers out of here!!!' :rolleyes:
The president can not keep us in a war that the congress and the people want to be over. You guys act like we're all powerless and live in a dictatorship.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think polls are showing that THE ECONOMY is the number one issue this election year.
Like it or not, most Americans really give two shits who is bombing who and what troops are where.
Well, okay ... it's not that they totally don't care ... but in a world of "what does it mean to me today" ... its the economy that is causing many people an inconvenience ... the war is only a real inconvenience to military wives and relatives, right?
And don't try to get all smart and tell me the War is responsible for the economy.
lol
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Really? Last I looked I thought it was the war...the war that is headed towards coting us a trillion? That's a lot of money to spend on something that everyone is so against.
What do I know?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i love you book, and i agree with your assessment ... but i was just trying to point out an ugly truth that the majority of Americans really only care about the war in so much as that it causes them personal inconvenience ... not because of some supreme moral objection ...
here.
gallup poll
"Economy Widely Viewed as Most Important Problem"
check out the graph midway down.
March, 2008.
We are talking 2 sides of the same coin, though.
There is a VERY important reason why GE Griffing devotes nearly a full 100 pages of The Creature from Jekyll Island - A Second Look At The Federal Reserve to the topic "The New Alchemy", in which he singularly focuses on the link between fiat money and war. The "new alchemy" is the secret art of converting LEAD BULLETS in to GOLD.
ps. and the fallout from over-inflation (those massive rate cutes from the last avoided "recession" in '99-'01) and the coincident "subprime scandal" is going to approxmiate TWO trillion dollars. Just fyi. Although, i think the 1T estimate for the war is probably not accurate, and should be higher. I took college accounting, and i'm acutely aware that the government is allowed to hide defense spending costs (for "national security" reasons) in line items under other departmental budgets ... so there can be no true accurate accounting of the cost of ANY war. :(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I gotcha driftin'
To quote one of my favorite movies, V for Vendetta:
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
V: "Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot."
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If I opened it now would you not understand?