UK Govt Sources Confirm War With Iran Is On

farfromglorified

Infinity_Now wrote:

The terrible thing is:

There are those who will toast to "hope," that we will go to war. They're called "government."

No, they're called warmakers. But government and warmaking does often go hand in hand, particularly in a world where men believe they have the right to own one another.

They like war - they get off on death. They'll watch all flags burning until the last one is burned down, as long as that last one is not their own. It's war, it sucks - and hope has nothing to do with it.

Hope says that a world exists where such men have no power to make their war.

Dissent is the hope of civilized masses.

Honest dissent stems from the hope of something better.

Dissent against anarchic warmongers.

Honest anarchy stems from a hope for freedom, the opposite of war.

Dissent against the anarchy of war, will get your "hope" back.

I need not dissent against war, though I often choose to do so. I simply must refuse to make it. There's much hope in that.

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

You have weird morals. It's uncool to bet on war, cool to refer to every human on the planet as "parasites". Interesting. But hey, that's all good.

It's a metaphor

Parasite
Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism [earth] while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

We basically destroy the planet in which we live, while all other species do not. Other mammals hibernate or migrate during different seasons, we do not. We build huge concrete kingdoms, destroying forever the nature that would have existed, then we bring all the needed resources to us. We don't contribute at all to the survival of the planet, we contribute to it's destruction.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

It's a metaphor

And a faulty one.

Parasite
Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism [earth] while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

Ok.

We basically destroy the planet in which we live, while all other species do not.

How so?

Other mammals hibernate or migrate during different seasons, we do not. We build huge concrete kingdoms, destroying forever the nature that would have existed, then we bring all the needed resources to us. We don't contribute at all the the survival of the planet, we contribute to it's destruction.

How does a chicken contribute to the "survival of the planet"?

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

And a faulty one.
How does a chicken contribute to the "survival of the planet"?

By providing food to the food chain. The Ecosystem involves a bunch of prey and predators. Predators are also prey for another predator. We have taken ourselves out of the food chain, which was the only thing we had ever contributed.

Rushlimbo

farfromglorified wrote:

How does a chicken contribute to the "survival of the planet"?

Chickenshit....... fertilizes the soil.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

By providing food to the food chain.

Human beings do this as well. Dead human beings are eaten by millions of different species.

The Ecosystem involves a bunch of prey and predators. Predators are also prey for another predator. We have taken ourselves out of the food chain, which was the only thing we had ever contributed.

Many animals have few natural predators, similar to humans.

Human beings cannot extract themselves from the food chain short of self-annihilation. But that is an option available to every species.

farfromglorified

Rushlimbo wrote:

Chickenshit....... fertilizes the soil.

As does humanshit. My septic field attests to that.

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

Human beings do this as well. Dead human beings are eaten by millions of different species.



Many animals have few natural predators, similar to humans.

Human beings cannot extract themselves from the food chain short of self-annihilation. But that is an option available to every species.

Ok, true enough, we still provide to bacteria and insects, vultures, etc..

But still what sets us apart is our ability to create buttons, buttons that could anihilate the entire planet if pushed. Or just the production of plastic itself. Which arguably damages the environment. Arguably recycling also damages the environment. I know cows farts damage the environment, but I think we are worse.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, true enough, we still provide to bacteria and insects, vultures, etc..

Cool.

But still what sets us apart is our ability to create buttons, buttons that could anihilate the entire planet if pushed.

We're not alone in that either, necessarily. Plenty of other natural products other than humans can destroy this earth. Our uniqueness is found within the fact that an asteroid cannot decide to change course. We can.

Or just the production of plastic itself. Which arguably damages the environment. Arguably recycling also damages the environment. I know cows farts damage the environment, but I think we are worse.

That's all fair.

Cosmo

hailhailkc wrote:

Hmmm...I tend to agree with you. I even stated pretty much the exact same thing on this board before. I've always thought that Iran was the real target in all of this. Iraq on one side, Afghanistan on the other. I made a thread about it once or twice a long time ago. Well said.

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It would have worked if there wasn't a bunch of fucking civilian politicians running the show. All they thought about was guns and bombs (a.k.a. Shock And Awe)... the easy way... and banked on it being Kuwait 1991 all over again.
And Afghanistan could have been a suitable location, albeit, not as open and well protected as Iraq. It was doable, but not within the timeframe the Bush administration wanted. I believe that they wanted it all wrapped up prior to the 2004 elections.. thus, the photo op on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln.
Military strategy is all about contingency planning and best case/worst case scenarios... there are never any gimmes. And since they waited so long... increasing the number of troops to provide security is no longer an option. There's no way I would trust some of the Iraqi forces we have trainned... who knows where their true alliance is. I would never let them stand sentry around my guys or allow them to manage an ammo depot. Republican Guard and Fedayen soldiers never fought and simply shed their uniforms and blended into the population... who knows who those recruits are?

rebornFixer

Ahnimus wrote:

I certainly hope the world forgives Canada for electing Harper

Do some research before you make this kind of inflammatory comment, will ya? This is probably the first time you've even given Canada any thought.