Single-Payer Universal Healthcare - Act Now!
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I've noticed many of you support a single-payer based universal healthcare system. Even if the person you're supporting for president's plan doesn't include a single-payer plan...you can still act, write your representatives, sign/start petitions to Congress, share information with others and join the movement so we can apply pressure to our elected representatives, letting our voices be heard. **This thread isn't really about debating universal healthcare (we have those threads all throughout this board) but rather, a place for those of us who are interested in learning more about the details of the plan or those of us who agree with single payer to take action. That said, I'm not saying you shouldn't voice your opinion but just that I'm not going to go 20 pages arguing about it only to end up in the same place we started. **
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Insurance_Act
http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0813-03.htm
HR 676
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR676:
Sign the petition:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/petition.php
If you want to support HR 676 and your representatives aren't on this list then contact them and let your voice be heard.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00676:@@@P
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Insurance_Act
http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0813-03.htm
HR 676
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR676:
Sign the petition:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/petition.php
If you want to support HR 676 and your representatives aren't on this list then contact them and let your voice be heard.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00676:@@@P
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
—Dorothy Parker
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The quote above is from HR676.
How exactly will this be free?
http://inthepresenttense.blogspot.com/
I understand that and I am not saying that I am totally against the proposed plan. But, it should not be called "free health care". There is already an item in my paycheck for money I put into medicare. This number will surely go up because as you stated we spend other tax dollars developing weapons and all that, which is not going to stop, so the additional money will have to come from somewhere.
I don't care who gets elected. From the group we have left none of them are going to cut military spending enough to pay for a national health care plan without having to raise taxes.
http://inthepresenttense.blogspot.com/
Good point. But its somethign we should be fighting for still. With any president. When they say they can't adfford it we can call bullshit...can aways call bullshit when the gov't says it can't afford something, they hand out billions.
I have health insurance.
I was trying to say that I don't believe it allowing the government to have control over our health. They are going to make you see their doctors, you don't get to choose your own. I just don't think they are going to go that extra yard to fix a problem. Those VA hospitals are butcher shops and I don't see this being any different.
We certainly can call bullshit.
This is my biggest problem with Hillary right now. She's out on the campaign trail piping bullshit about national healthcare but she's certainly not going to cut military spending or do anything to hurt corporations to fund it. Universal health care, without extreme government spending reform first, would break this country.
Obama's idea of providing healthcare for the 50 million (I think that was number) without any coverage is a much more realistic start and makes the most sense. Get the help to the people that need it now. He is full of shit about withdrawing the troops though.
So, the original idea in this post to write your reps. is a great idea. Tell them to stop spending our money on bullshit and pay down the debt. Let's get this thing to a point where we can afford programs similar to this one.
How much do we spend a year on exploring space? Cut that shit. It's a gigantic waste of money and provides no benefit to humanity. Just my opinion of course.
http://inthepresenttense.blogspot.com/
fuck I don't care about soil samples from mars. That's some expensive dirt.
If there is a movement to ask our leaders to cut military spending I am all for it. They could pay for any project they wanted too if they took some out of the defense budget. ANd that should be obvious to Americans.
2006 NASA Budget http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/budget/fy2006-nasa/index.html
This is seperate from what the DOD spends for intergalactic warfare
I think we can find a few bucks to cut form these systems. No doubt the money is out there.
http://inthepresenttense.blogspot.com/
"Stuff White People Like"
#94 Free Healthcare
April 4, 2008 by clander
In spite of having access to the best health insurance and fanciest hospitals, white people are passionate about the idea of socialized medicine. So much so that they have memorized statistics and examples of how for-profit medicine has destroyed the United States.
But before you can exploit this information for personal gain, it’s important that you understand why white people are so in love with free health care.
The first and most obvious reason is “they have it Europe.” White people love all things European, this especially true of things that are unavailable in the United States (Rare Beers, Absinthe, legal marijuana, prostitution, soccer). The fact that it’s available in Canada isn’t really that impressive, but it does contribute to their willingness to threaten to move there.
These desires were only heightened in 2007 when Michael Moore released “Sicko,” a documentary that contrasts the health care industry in the United States with that of Canada, France and Cuba. As a general rule of thumb, white people are always extra passionate about issues that have been the subject of a Moore documentary. As a test, ask them about 9/11, Gun Control, or Health Care and then say “where did you get that information?” You will not be surprised at the results.
But the secret reason why all white people love socialized medicine is that they all love the idea of receiving health care without having a full-time job. This would allow them to work as a freelance designer/consultant/copywriter/photographer/blogger, open their own bookstore, stay at home with their kids, or be a part of an Internet start-up without having to worry about a benefits package. Though many of them would never follow this path, they appreciate having the option.
If you need to impress a white person, merely mention how you got hurt on a recent trip Canada/England/Sweden and though you were a foreigner you received excellent and free health care. They will be very impressed and likely tell you about how powerful drug and health care lobbies are destroying everything.
Though their passion for national health care runs deep, it is important to remember that white people are most in favor of it when they are healthy. They love the idea of everyone have equal access to the resources that will keep them alive, that is until they have to wait in line for an MRI.
This is very similar to the way that white people express their support for public schools when they don’t have children.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Some people do effectively "choose" to get ill. Many, however, don't. That's not really what I was angling at, however. I just find it ironic that many support UHC systems wherein the government would have de facto control of people's medical information and choices. Yet at the same time they reject government control of certain specific medical choices, pretending all the while that those beliefs are based on deep principles.
why is that unsungs problem? I had a job for 8 years that provided little or no health care. you know what I did? found a different job. I didnt ask you to pay for healthcare.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
It's pretty naive to think that UHC isn't giving the government a lot more control over individuals' healthcare. The government isn't going to sit back and let you do whatever you want to medically and just keep writing checks for it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I think it means that government will control the individual's healthcare.
I do agree with your comparison to the way the insurance companies now have control, but I am not a believer in health insurance either. I think it's the biggest problem with healthcare by far.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Does that mean you'd rather individuals cover their own costs directly?
That gets a bit pricey, right?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Not really. I do believe in catastrophic insurance, but not health insurance for most of the normal things that we use it for. What if you have insurance on your car for every oil, tire and air filter change. Or even for gas?
Let's face it, we're paying tons of money so that the health insurance companies can make profits. In addition, we basically have no idea what we're paying for any of our health care. The consumer has been taken completely out of the equation.
Let's face it, we're all still paying for the healthcare we currently receive IN ADDITION TO the money we're paying to the health insurance industry. It only stands to reason it would be cheaper if we cut out the middle man.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.