It's not about me. It's about our BROKEN SYSTEM

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by my2hands
    nice sig... i may steal it

    stratomaster wrote:
    Be my guest :D:


    Edited because i used a wrong smiley!


    actually, i prefer this one of dennis'

    "If you don't vote your heart, your heart never wins"

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=3V300QuCI2I&feature=user
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    stratomaster wrote:
    Thank you for your response. I believe i have made my feelings obvious in my post as you have yours. I accept that you disagree with me i know you understand, i too, have my ideals. I've given my reasons in my previous post in this thread as to why i do not believe Nader is worthy of my vote.

    I will not be voting Nader and drawing votes away from someone he agrees with on most issues, for the benefit of a candidate with whom he disagrees with on almost everything.

    That's about as simple as it gets.

    You're welcome.

    On a lot of issues, I think Obama is closer to McCain than Nader.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It is lacking but there is no guarantee any of these promises made on any candidate's website will ever come into fruitation.

    exactly...

    and this can be said about [size=+2]any[/size] candidate...be it Nader, Clinton, Obama, McCain, and anyone else who is running....

    I guess it comes down belief...belief the person one choses to vote for does the right thing, and follows through on there word...

    for me, I agree with a lot of Nader's viewpoints...I also agree with a lot of Obama's vague statements...I know some what specifics...I know some what details, details, details...I'm not one of those....I see life being full of "gray areas" and needs/wants/beliefs change in a heartbeat...

    I want someone who will make good, sound decisions...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    exactly...

    and this can be said about [size=+2]any[/size] candidate...be it Nader, Clinton, Obama, McCain, and anyone else who is running....

    I guess it comes down belief...belief the person one choses to vote for does the right thing, and follows through on there word...

    for me, I agree with a lot of Nader's viewpoints...I also agree with a lot of Obama's vague statements...I know some what specifics...I know some what details, details, details...I'm not one of those....I see life being full of "gray areas" and needs/wants/beliefs change in a heartbeat...

    I want someone who will make good, sound decisions...


    I know that we have to use a bit of faith on any candidate. I just don't trust someone who has voted to fund the war, reenact the patriot act and is funded heavily by lobbyists of the absolute worst kind.

    I also feel that Obama has a past filled with saying one thing and doing another. He speaks out against the war yet votes to fund it and doesn't use the leadership skills you guys say he has to bring up any legislation proposing a better plan. Speaks out against the patriot act yet votes for it, says he's pro gay rights yet he's against gay marriage, speaks out against predatory lending yet votes in their favor and has many contributors from this sector...it just comes off as same old, same old.

    This is how you show political courage and speak out about funding the war. I have faith in people like this because they have earned it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BBKjllSlU

    also, wanting to know the truth and record about someone I'm voting for has nothing to do with seeing things black and white vs gray. It has everyhting to do with wanting to see the full, complete picture vs a partial one based on media and/or his own words.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    El_Kabong wrote:
    "If you don't vote your heart, your heart never wins"

    thats exactly what i am doing, voting my heart
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    thats exactly what i am doing

    I never knew you loved nuclear power so much. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I know that we have to use a bit of faith on any candidate. I just don't trust someone who has voted to fund the war, reenact the patriot act and is funded heavily by lobbyists of the absolute worst kind.

    I also feel that Obama has a past filled with saying one thing and doing another. He speaks out against the war yet votes to fund it and doesn't use the leadership skills you guys say he has to bring up any legislation proposing a better plan. Speaks out against the patriot act yet votes for it, says he's pro gay rights yet he's against gay marriage, speaks out against predatory lending yet votes in their favor and has many contributors from this sector...it just comes off as same old, same old.

    This is how you show political courage and speak out about funding the war. I have faith in people like this because they have earned it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BBKjllSlU

    also, wanting to know the truth and record about someone I'm voting for has nothing to do with seeing things black and white vs gray. It has everyhting to do with wanting to see the full, complete picture vs a partial one based on media and/or his own words.


    Here's another example of leaderships skills, political courage, standing up to the broken system and speaking out about funding the war:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoxlzPGIPt4

    I will not be voting for anyone who can't muster up the strength to look at how bad it has gotten and address it instead of playing along while the people continue to be the ones who are paying for it. We continue to pay because people like Obama, Clinton and McCain have done nothing but follow suit in order to keep and gain more power. There's no chance in hell I'll believe that we had no choice but to keep this war going for this long, while it continuously drains our country needlessly and endangers our future more and more every single day.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    My doctor looks exactly like Nader... It's freaking uncanny. His last name is Nader as well hehe...j/k about the name. Twins separated at birth I'm guessing...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • stratomaster
    stratomaster Posts: 23
    El_Kabong wrote:

    actually, i prefer this one of dennis'

    "If you don't vote your heart, your heart never wins"
    Dennis publically endorsed Obama. I believe he was speaking with his heart then too.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    stratomaster wrote:
    Dennis publically endorsed Obama. I believe he was speaking with his heart then too.

    read the quote again, slowly

    "If you don't vote your heart, your heart never wins"

    that does not equal
    vote for what MY heart says
    vote for who i say

    it means vote for who YOU want to vote for, who YOU believe in, not who others tell you

    and that was for iowa only, not in general

    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/kucinich_obama_is_my_second_ch.html

    Kucinich: Obama is my second choice (in Iowa)

    Kucinich said Tuesday that he would like his supporters to back Obama in places where they are not in large enough numbers to be viable. (Iowa Democratic Party rules require that a candidate receive support from 15 percent of caucus participants -- sometimes more -- to be deemed viable.)

    “I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice," Kucinich said in a statement. "But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    El_Kabong wrote:
    read the quote again, slowly

    "If you don't vote your heart, your heart never wins"

    that does not equal
    vote for what MY heart says
    vote for who i say

    it means vote for who YOU want to vote for, who YOU believe in, not who others tell you

    and that was for iowa only, not in general

    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/kucinich_obama_is_my_second_ch.html

    Kucinich: Obama is my second choice (in Iowa)

    Kucinich said Tuesday that he would like his supporters to back Obama in places where they are not in large enough numbers to be viable. (Iowa Democratic Party rules require that a candidate receive support from 15 percent of caucus participants -- sometimes more -- to be deemed viable.)

    “I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice," Kucinich said in a statement. "But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice.
    fuck yeah man.; I am voting Nader, because he is the only candidate left that even comes close to my views. Corporate policy, environmental accountability, foreign policy...he is the only one that comes close. "Vote your heart" should be every candidates platform.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Commy wrote:
    fuck yeah man.; I am voting Nader, because he is the only candidate left that even comes close to my views. Corporate policy, environmental accountability, foreign policy...he is the only one that comes close. "Vote your heart" should be every candidates platform.


    Me too. The things people are asking me to overlook to support Obama would be asking me to go against so many of the problems I have with our gov't and just deal with them in exchange for some smooth talking band-aid solution when we really need a long overdue major surgery. How long do they think these band-aid Dems are going to hold up? When are we supposed to come out and support the real deal? When the media says everyone else is now ready for it? I won't bother holding my breath for that one.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Me too. The things people are asking me to overlook to support Obama would be asking me to go against so many of the problems I have with our gov't and just deal with them in exchange for some smooth talking band-aid solution when we really need a long overdue major surgery. How long do they think these band-aid Dems are going to hold up? When are we supposed to come out and support the real deal? When the media says everyone else is now ready for it? I won't bother holding my breath for that one.
    if we are ever going to vote for a 3rd party candidate why not now? Is next election going to be better timing? I don' think so. It's always going to be crucial, every election is. Its time for options, for a third party. This fascism has to end.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Commy wrote:
    if we are ever going to vote for a 3rd party candidate why not now? Is next election going to be better timing? I don' think so. It's always going to be crucial, every election is. Its time for options, for a third party. This fascism has to end.


    It has to start somewhere
    It has to start sometime
    What better place than here
    What better time than now
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    El_Kabong wrote:
    It has to start somewhere
    It has to start sometime
    What better place than here
    What better time than now
    What he has seen is hard to believe
    And it does no good to just pray
    He asks of us to stand
    And we must end this war today
  • stratomaster
    stratomaster Posts: 23
    El_Kabong wrote:
    read the quote again, slowly

    "If you don't vote your heart, your heart never wins"
    That is exactly what i am doing. Voting my heart.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    stratomaster wrote:
    That is exactly what i am doing. Voting my heart.

    for whom?
  • stratomaster
    stratomaster Posts: 23
    Obama
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    good read on obama's and hilllary's health care plans.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    my2hands wrote:
    nice sig... i may steal it :D



    i hope your vote ensures you of your own personal change or whatever change you are seeking for the masses :)

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